Topic: [people who hate me please ignore this] the 1300BTC event on just-dice (Read 4062 times)

September 22, 2013, 04:55:46 PM

Is this some promo for the dice?

Looks like towtoad got angry, past few days he just won the entire 6400 bitcoin profit Just-Dice had been making for the past month.

Add that to the 4500 he won ages ago he is now over 10,000 bitcoin up.

Man! That's a lot of money. I have to ask toad though, what happen those 2 friends? Proof or not that's a lot of money and if it were me they wouldn't just walk away like that...I would actually be in jail right now...

Toad at the end of the day if the story you are telling is true, it's pretty reckless and careless to leave a laptop worth  1300BTC open like that. Anyone like your buddies or whoever could have seen it could of thought that it was fake money just played them large amounts..I haven't looked at the bet history on the 1300 to call lit suspicious or whatever.. Although doug admits his faults of not clearing it out but that doesn't hold him accountable that you left the laptop out in the open in a cafe out of all places and it didn't occur to you that maybe you should locked it before going out. Come on now, it's 1300BTC (250k>) I don't understand.

Also given the nature of the business you really can't expect him to just hand over back the coins....Might as well just close up shop and open something new with a different name because that would bring so much unwanted attention that could hurt the business all together.

Toad - sorry man. Doesn't really matter whether I believe the story or not all outcomes come to the fault lies on you bro. IF fund weren't cleared from your account steps should of been taken  to protect what's yours and none of this would of happened..
You  really must have a boat load of money to not think twice to make sure no one can access that laptop.

On how people view you now? Some will forget some won't. To have made it public like this would of been a route I wouldn't have taken given status. Best of luck to you.


Lesson learned and a f*****g expensive one at that..

I do.

None of them were invested when you lost the 1300 BTC.

Are you telling me you withdrew the 1300 BTC, then immediately deposited it to a different account and invested it there?  How would that make any sense?  And why doesn't it show up on the logs?

Doog, this is unfair, you do know I have numerous accounts in your site, besides the well-known ones.

another coincidence not yet mentioned is that just before the incident some other
player tried to get a refund from dooglus based on the exact same cafe story (I didn't place
those bets, someone else did on my laptop left at a cafe).

This had been extensively discussed at the chat

So at the time  celeste's excuse looked deliberately unconvincing, sort of  "my cat jumped on the laptop."


this "strategy" that you now admit being trivial you tried to sell for hundreds of BTC.

Whoops.  You forgot to address the fact that you weren't invested at the time.  This chart shows the investment dropping 10k just before your play and not recovering until well after your play.

So your story that you noticed the 1300 BTC being played and lost because you saw your investment going up is absolutely false.

Please just tell the truth for once.


How convenient.

So in summary, 1300 BTC was withdrawn from Towtoad's account into his address, but the balance stayed the same on his account. Someone on Towtoad's account proceeded to lose the 1300 BTC. Is that correct? If so, would it not have been possible to roll back the loss (of non-existing coins)?

 To be honest , this topic is making me see things a little clearly.

 Now I am not implying I believe towtoads story , it is as absurd as ever. But I think I can start to put myself in his shoe and say 'Well if I had free 1300 bitcoins to try and I was willing to lose it I would do it rather than letting doog know' , so If towtoad said something similar rather than this story , I would say 'hey give us all 1000 coins to try some new stuff ' .

 Long story short , what towtoad did was ok , even tough his justification is probably a lie and noone will ever believe him for that 

I thought I have replied, turned out didn't write here.

... and this is my final reply to this post.


YES, the final profit grew much more than 10BTC. It was happening, which took me a "long" time to figure out.


I deleted google auth from my mobile device, but the barcode was left on my desktop screen. (This is the most hard part to explain.)



I did. And never will.

I saw the following in the Just-Dice chat:


If you replied, I missed it.  Where is your reply?

Yeah exactly , I would have understand %1.98 to pay off expenses and make profit , but paying it to refferal spammers and whales a bit too much for my taste.

 Even tough that , I could have tried , like 0.1 or so just to enjoy a new fresh page,  but just because of towtoad I dont , maybe I will get all my balance stolen from me and be asked 'maybe someone else used your computer' excuse , so just in case I do not deposit anything there.

You charge the players 1.98%, give 0.50% to players who bet 0.1 BTC per bet or more, and another 0.48% to the people who spam the forum with invite codes.  That leaves 1.00% for the house, the same as the other dice sites.  So if 1% is dangerous, it's dangerous for you too.

Then you keep 80% of that 1% house edge for yourself (only 20% of shares were sold at IPO), and give 20% of it to the investors (of which well over 50% is also yourself).  So the players get charged almost 2% house edge, and the investors get less than 0.1% house edge?

Seems like both sides are getting fucked, and only you and the spammers are winning?

Or maybe I've misunderstood something.

Oh, I hadn't have opportunity to discuss this with you.

Do you think 1% house edge is very dangerous for a casino? 1.98% is NOT a figure that comes out of no where.

What did you do with the 1300 bitcoins surely not blow it all?

Thanks god, the person didn't do that.

if I withdrew that 1300 coins, or at most 1BTC of them, then I should be blamed, which is fair.

 

JUST because of him?

I'd have thought the compulsory extra 0.5% house edge that is taken from all players and given to the whales would help too.
And the other extra 0.48% house edge that is taken from all players and paid to the people who spam referral links everywhere.

Those two together almost double the house edge of any other modern dice game for the regular player and should be enough to convince you to find somewhere else to play even without nakowa's suspected involvement I would have thought.

 Yeah I would like to get 1300 fake bitcoins to play and just have fun too doog. That sounds great.

 Oh btw lets not forget if he won or if he realized he had 1300 , he could have withdrawn whatever was left in hot wallet , , towtoad is a disgrace to dice games , and JUST because towtoad I dont play at letsdice (after the free deal which I particpated ) Think about how much of  a great discredit you have in this community and how much you hurt letsdice reputation by being there.

OK, if you were in my position, what could you do?

1. I "had" money that I didn't know I had.
2. Some one gambled away that money.
3. I couldn't spot whodunit.
4. I lost nothing in fact.
5. nobody lost anything. (or investor lost something they hadn't have)

I think dooglus already did the right thing: roll back database, since that "money" is fake (to quote dooglus's reason), no one got lost, by rolling back, nothing happened.