Peter Vessenes: Take a step back and F*** YOUR OWN FACE!!! - page 3.

Raoul Duke

legendary

Activity: 1386

Merit: 1002

Quote from: evoorhees on June 04, 2013, 10:41:12 AM

Some people need to read between the lines.

Peter absolutely should be saying things like he's saying. Think about it long and hard and you'll figure it out. Don't be so dense.

If the public perception of bitcoin is that it's a bunch of rogues, it'll come under attack sooner than otherwise. If the public perception is that there are some rogues, but in general it's full of compliance-seekers, especially in the all-important Bitcoin Foundation, then the attack will be delayed or prevented.

The phrase walk softly and carry a big stick is important to keep in mind. The public face of Bitcoin should be gentle, accomodating, and non-extreme. It should be business-focused, and not political. The effect of Bitcoin, however, should be known by Bitcoiners anyway and doesn't need to be discussed in polite company Wink

hypocrite much?

evoorhees

legendary

Activity: 1008

Merit: 1023

Democracy is the original 51% attack

Some people need to read between the lines.

Peter absolutely should be saying things like he's saying. Think about it long and hard and you'll figure it out. Don't be so dense.

If the public perception of bitcoin is that it's a bunch of rogues, it'll come under attack sooner than otherwise. If the public perception is that there are some rogues, but in general it's full of compliance-seekers, especially in the all-important Bitcoin Foundation, then the attack will be delayed or prevented.

The phrase walk softly and carry a big stick is important to keep in mind. The public face of Bitcoin should be gentle, accomodating, and non-extreme. It should be business-focused, and not political. The effect of Bitcoin, however, should be known by Bitcoiners anyway and doesn't need to be discussed in polite company Wink

Raoul Duke

legendary

Activity: 1386

Merit: 1002

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 04, 2013, 08:48:06 AM

Quote from: ninjarobot on June 03, 2013, 10:01:29 PM

Peter Vessenes appears to be the Limited Partner behind Bitcoinica.

Tihan has worked hard to keep the identity of the LP secret (There is a shell company in Barbados called the Wendon group) most likely to avoid any liability leaving Bitcoinica customers who had funds there royally screwed. One year later not a single customer has seen their coins returned. And we are talking many tens of thousands of BTC and USD here.

I will avoid anything that has his name attached to it like the plague. And yes, that includes the Bitcoin Foundation.

Reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinlab-are-sneaky-bastards-investors-behind-bitcoinica-196150

Wow, can't say I'm surprised though. What a world class asshole. Where can I find this guy? I'd like to have a "talk" with him.

He was the guy building coin mixing services, now he wants regulations... LOL, I guess.

cryptoanarchist

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1003

Quote from: ninjarobot on June 03, 2013, 10:01:29 PM

Peter Vessenes appears to be the Limited Partner behind Bitcoinica.

Tihan has worked hard to keep the identity of the LP secret (There is a shell company in Barbados called the Wendon group) most likely to avoid any liability leaving Bitcoinica customers who had funds there royally screwed. One year later not a single customer has seen their coins returned. And we are talking many tens of thousands of BTC and USD here.

I will avoid anything that has his name attached to it like the plague. And yes, that includes the Bitcoin Foundation.

Reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinlab-are-sneaky-bastards-investors-behind-bitcoinica-196150

Wow, can't say I'm surprised though. What a world class asshole. Where can I find this guy? I'd like to have a "talk" with him.

QuestionAuthority

legendary

Activity: 2156

Merit: 1393

You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: ninjarobot on June 03, 2013, 10:01:29 PM

Peter Vessenes appears to be the Limited Partner behind Bitcoinica.

Tihan has worked hard to keep the identity of the LP secret (There is a shell company in Barbados called the Wendon group) most likely to avoid any liability leaving Bitcoinica customers who had funds there royally screwed. One year later not a single customer has seen their coins returned. And we are talking many tens of thousands of BTC and USD here.

I will avoid anything that has his name attached to it like the plague. And yes, that includes the Bitcoin Foundation.

Reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinlab-are-sneaky-bastards-investors-behind-bitcoinica-196150

Well, well now, so the Mayor of Bitcoinland is a master thief. Sounds about right. Carry on. All is normal. Nothing to see here.

melvster

sr. member

Activity: 350

Merit: 250

Quote from: ninjarobot on June 03, 2013, 10:01:29 PM

Peter Vessenes appears to be the Limited Partner behind Bitcoinica.

Tihan has worked hard to keep the identity of the LP secret (There is a shell company in Barbados called the Wendon group) most likely to avoid any liability leaving Bitcoinica customers who had funds there royally screwed. One year later not a single customer has seen their coins returned. And we are talking many tens of thousands of BTC and USD here.

I will avoid anything that has his name attached to it like the plague. And yes, that includes the Bitcoin Foundation.

Reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinlab-are-sneaky-bastards-investors-behind-bitcoinica-196150

Good catch.

ninjarobot

hero member

Activity: 761

Merit: 500

Mine Silent, Mine Deep

Peter Vessenes appears to be the Limited Partner behind Bitcoinica.

Tihan has worked hard to keep the identity of the LP secret (There is a shell company in Barbados called the Wendon group) most likely to avoid any liability leaving Bitcoinica customers who had funds there royally screwed. One year later not a single customer has seen their coins returned. And we are talking many tens of thousands of BTC and USD here.

I will avoid anything that has his name attached to it like the plague. And yes, that includes the Bitcoin Foundation.

Reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinlab-are-sneaky-bastards-investors-behind-bitcoinica-196150

daviducsb

full member

Activity: 155

Merit: 100

Would be nice to see the author of this thread apologize for slamming someone based on inaccurate research.

But somehow, I don't feel that some angry sounding bozo who bashes the "mainstream zionist media" is prone to make an apology.

These types of xenophobia and anger management issues probably belong on some extreme right wing hate site, not on a thread about a serious technological advance, attacking a serious person who has probably done way more than the thread's author to advance the adoption of bitcoin. Love or hate Peter Vessenes, I definitely think he's more capable and representative of bitcoin's potential than the author of this thread.

Thursday

full member

Activity: 150

Merit: 100

[email protected]

cryptoanarchist

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1003

Quote from: Swapster on June 03, 2013, 05:46:17 PM

Let technology figure out how to regulate the markets - not heavy handed, agenda driven Federal thugs that rule in favor of the banksters.

I think this is inevitable. Government isn't going to be able to keep up with technological innovation at this point. For every Fastcash4bitcoin or Dwolla acct they shutdown/seize, multiple replicas will spring up.

Swapster

member

Activity: 131

Merit: 10

This BitcoinFoundation thing is just BS - I hope nobody is donating to them.

That said, I still want the use of Bitcoin to go mainstream. The less regulation the better. Let technology figure out how to regulate the markets - not heavy handed, agenda driven Federal thugs that rule in favor of the banksters.

pa

hero member

Activity: 528

Merit: 501

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: kcirazy on June 03, 2013, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 02, 2013, 04:16:28 PM

From http://www.cnbc.com/id/100774151:

Quote

But Peter Vessenes, chairman and executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation, was unfazed by the Liberty Reserve crackdown.

"The U.S. put out guidance recently through the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and we've been following up on that guidance and crushing bad actors," he said in an interview with CNBC Asia. "We're seeing a bit of a sweep right now," he said.

To Peter:
Really fu**face? Who exactly have you been "crushing"?
How exactly are you "regulating" bitcoin when I can still buy and sell them without using any ID? When I can still buy and sell whatever I want with them over Silk Road?

This topic is based on a typing error by CNBC.
If you watch the video and listen carefully, you can hear him say "... they've been following up on that guidance" - referring to FinCEN.

D'oh!

Wowww... Someone owes someone else an apology.

C'mon now... Group hug.

I listened to Peter in the video and it's definitely "they've" not "we've." Peter is just saying that FinCen has been going after those who are ignoring its interpretation of the law.

cypherdoc

legendary

Activity: 1764

Merit: 1002

Quote from: kcirazy on June 03, 2013, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 02, 2013, 04:16:28 PM

From http://www.cnbc.com/id/100774151:

Quote

But Peter Vessenes, chairman and executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation, was unfazed by the Liberty Reserve crackdown.

"The U.S. put out guidance recently through the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and we've been following up on that guidance and crushing bad actors," he said in an interview with CNBC Asia. "We're seeing a bit of a sweep right now," he said.

To Peter:
Really fu**face? Who exactly have you been "crushing"?
How exactly are you "regulating" bitcoin when I can still buy and sell them without using any ID? When I can still buy and sell whatever I want with them over Silk Road?

This topic is based on a typing error by CNBC.
If you watch the video and listen carefully, you can hear him say "... they've been following up on that guidance" - referring to FinCEN.

nice catch.

CompNsci

sr. member

Activity: 332

Merit: 253

Quote from: Mylon on June 02, 2013, 05:10:52 PM

Yea, the only sad part is that the last 30 years, in my opinion the US no longer has been a democracy, (1 person, 1 vote) not sure what to call it but nowadays its (1 dollar, 1 vote)

Is it called a "plutocracy" ?

Severian

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 250

Quote from: justusranvier on June 03, 2013, 12:23:15 AM

I wonder if this is related:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-tangible-cryptography-suspends-bitcoin-related-transaction-224057

Quote from: TangibleCryptography on June 02, 2013, 11:25:35 PM

Effective the May 31st, 2013 Tangible Cryptography has suspended new purchases of Bitcoins through our service FastCash4Bitcoins. We take this step in response to a notice received on the same day from the Commonwealth of Virginia that a complaint has been made that our company is operating as an unlicensed money transmitter.

Possibly. Vessenes has the mindset of a narc.

hashman

legendary

Activity: 1264

Merit: 1008

Quote from: franky1 on June 02, 2013, 05:01:52 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 02, 2013, 04:35:06 PM

Quote from: Melbustus on June 02, 2013, 04:24:38 PM

What exactly are you trying to accomplish by pointing this out?

I gather that you don't like Vessenes, but beyond that: Point == Missed.

I wasn't making a point to you. This post is directed at Peter. I'd like him to explain who exactly he is "crushing".

crushing fiat transmitters that claim to be legit and trustworthy with our FIAT. then later found out they are not legit fiat transmitters.

its all about fiat..... meanwhile bitcoin remains unaffected.

if you think that bitcoin has been affected then you do not know bitcoin. please learn the non-exchange methods of obtaining bitcoin. the true, original way it was supposed to be dispursed.
hint peer-to-peer (localbitcoin / irc-otc) style

care to estimate the volume and liquidity in those channels?

kcirazy

newbie

Activity: 53

Merit: 0

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 02, 2013, 04:16:28 PM

From http://www.cnbc.com/id/100774151:

Quote

But Peter Vessenes, chairman and executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation, was unfazed by the Liberty Reserve crackdown.

"The U.S. put out guidance recently through the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and we've been following up on that guidance and crushing bad actors," he said in an interview with CNBC Asia. "We're seeing a bit of a sweep right now," he said.

To Peter:
Really fu**face? Who exactly have you been "crushing"?
How exactly are you "regulating" bitcoin when I can still buy and sell them without using any ID? When I can still buy and sell whatever I want with them over Silk Road?

This topic is based on a typing error by CNBC.
If you watch the video and listen carefully, you can hear him say "... they've been following up on that guidance" - referring to FinCEN.

freedomno1

legendary

Activity: 1834

Merit: 1094

Learning the troll avoidance button :)

Quote from: charleshoskinson on June 03, 2013, 02:51:39 AM

You guys can complain about it or support the Bitcoin Education Project. We are the only group right now that is growing into a force capable of building a Bitcoin foundation that represents the will of the community.

We will need to spread the power if we don't want it to collapse so agree that a counterparty is important

btcdrak

legendary

Activity: 1064

Merit: 1000

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 02, 2013, 04:16:28 PM

From http://www.cnbc.com/id/100774151:

Quote

But Peter Vessenes, chairman and executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation, was unfazed by the Liberty Reserve crackdown.

"The U.S. put out guidance recently through the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and we've been following up on that guidance and crushing bad actors," he said in an interview with CNBC Asia. "We're seeing a bit of a sweep right now," he said.

To Peter:

Really fu**face? Who exactly have you been "crushing"?

How exactly are you "regulating" bitcoin when I can still buy and sell them without using any ID? When I can still buy and sell whatever I want with them over Silk Road?

To everyone else:

You have to ask, "What is CNBC and Peter trying to accomplish with this bit of propaganda?"

To someone who is low-tech and new to bitcoin, this would easily convince them that Peter is the head of bitcoin, and that he is making it a regulated currency.

Now you may realize that Peter is just a self appointed nitwit of a rather meaningless organization, but the average dumb american does not. The banks' strategy is to create a regulated sphere of bitcoin usage, and use their media to spin it like they are cracking down on everyone else. Sort of like shutting down Napster, and creating itunes. Thing is, that hasn't stopped anyone from downloading free music, and I doubt Peter and his band of assclowns will do any better with bitcoin - even with all the help in the world from the mainstream zionist media.

http://youtu.be/KbjQ1PeAbeg

It's pretty obvious. Peter has been working with law enforcement to take down actors (competitors), including obviously, MtGox's subsidiary in the USA. Doing so means more business for 'legitimate' exchanges i.e. the ones he's connected to.

melvster

sr. member

Activity: 350

Merit: 250

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on June 02, 2013, 04:16:28 PM

From http://www.cnbc.com/id/100774151:

Quote

But Peter Vessenes, chairman and executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation, was unfazed by the Liberty Reserve crackdown.

"The U.S. put out guidance recently through the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and we've been following up on that guidance and crushing bad actors," he said in an interview with CNBC Asia. "We're seeing a bit of a sweep right now," he said.

http://youtu.be/KbjQ1PeAbeg

You may not like peter, but it's perhaps more conducive to a conversation to be civil.

If by "we", he means The Bitcion Foundation, it would seem to be positioning itself as a kind of bitconi regulatory body in the United States.

The question remains as to who determines 'bad' and 'good' actors. It seems that peter wants to do this, by introducing certifications (paid) etc.

This is a form of centralization that may not benefit bitcoin in the US, time will tell.

A logical conclusion is that people like Satoshi would not be considered legit without paying the foundation, which seems to go against the grain of the original project concepts.

I have huge respect for Gavin, but it remains to be seen whether the foundation is going to be positive for bitcoin in the U.S. That said, I do believe bitcoin is currently too U.S. centric, so it may end up being a plus ...

Topic: Peter Vessenes: Take a step back and F*** YOUR OWN FACE!!! - page 3. (Read 8303 times)