Topic: [PETITION] Stop BOKNAL, the South Korean dog meat festival (Read 987 times)

I highly agree with this one. So what's if they kill dogs, cats and other domestic animals? we don't have petition when it comes to pigs and chickens. But the difference is as what you said, they should kill the dog easily and not making them feel pain. I don't have any against about killing animals but I have against if you kill them brutally.

I don't understand American's love for Korean food now. It is a "CRAZE" they are in.
If they only knew that most of those dishes have dog meat in them and are substituted with beef when made in the US or if they knew they would shut their mouth about Kim-Chi and all that stupid food from Korea.

Ive heard this argument on vegetables and trees etc before but its nowhere near the same thing, A plant isnt an intelligent lifeform in the same way an animal or human is, just like simple organisms. A plant doesnt have a range of emotions or certainly not in the same spectrum that we feel them. And its nothing to do with disgust, Muslims are disguted because of their dislike of alcohol etc but torturing dogs is inflicting unnecessary suffering. Using your logic stealing children and torturing them just for fun shouldnt be a problem, if someone drove by and nabbed you then inflicted all sorts of wicked afflictions on you then it shouldnt really be a problem because its all to do with disgust right and thats just the way things are? Even you i would prefer not to suffer unnecessarily.


You stop at the unnecessary kind of violence, we dont need to to torture animals for unfounded reasons(incoming torrent of posts about how dog meat tastes better after torture).

Violence is part of nature but we are supposed to be a civilised and advanced species, not one that takes pleasure in torturing small animals. And we could get rid of a lot of it if more people stood up about it, A dog meat festival was already cancelled last year in china due to the amount of protests so clearly you can stop it by not liking it.


Eating dogs is not part of my culture and its understandable that in china and korea dogs and cats are their pigs but the thing thats wrong about it is the actual torture of the animals before they are killed, and even when they are killed its usually very slowly. Maybe you should look up videos of one of these festivals before you comment on whats right or wrong.

Well, there is one way. Get rid of all life once and for all. Set up nukes that destroy the whole planet, and dump what is left into the sun.

 

What is wrong about eating dogs? I mean, don't keep it wrong, personally I wouldn't eat dogs. But,    objectively, they are as much animals as piggs, calves, turkeys, etc. You don't  mind eating them, do you? So now you just act like most vegetarians do =)

Exactly ^^
If you start condemning violence of any kind, where do you stop?
Violence is part of nature, you won't get rid of it simply because you don't like it.

Right! And how do we stop all the torture of the microbes that all the immune systems in the world, be they plant, animal, or human immune systems, are torturing?

What I try to explain but what you seem to not understand, is that your problem is EMOTIONAL and not RATIONAL. You have a disgust for animal suffering. Fair enough, but it's not because you do that it becomes good to have this disgust for animal suffering and bad to not having it.
And you shouldn't just laugh about my green argument ^^
It has been proven that vegetables suffer in the exact same way that you do or your beloved cats and dogs.

And yeah why not cooking humans too? Well maybe because it would have negative impacts on the whole society. Which is not the case when you cook alive lobsters or cats or dogs.

I forgot about the vegetables. You should read The Secret Life of Plants, by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants.

I agree... although nobody knows the difference in strength of lobster emotion compared with cat/dog emotion.

However, I agree that we should make "executions" as painless as possible. I think we should start a lobby for people who are executed for crimes, to be put to sleep by some simple sleep-drug injection, and then have their head chopped off in the hundredth of a second that it takes a guillotine to do this.

However, maybe they do that already - the sleep-drug part - because I get awful tired after having a hamburger.



EDIT: With butchered cattle, I mean.

Do you mean vegetables?  Are you a half wit or are you just arguing for the sake of it?  You obviously struggle with day to day life if you compare a petition to do with drinking beer and slaughtering animals as similar and you also considor dogs and cats to be the same as a vegetable.

And 3 centuries ago it was considored normal to do whatever you wanted to fellow humans.  I'm sure you would be one of the first to throw someone in the cooking pot,  i mean why not?  Humans are the same as vegetables as well are they not?

Ah! Laughing again!
So you consider animal torture shouldn't be tolerated in any culture? Well I don't see why, there is no reason animal suffering can't be part of a culture. But I could answer you vegetal suffering shouldn't be tolerated, what are you going to do about that in your barbaric culture?  XD
After all, it has been proven that all vegetals produce the same signals than animals when they're torn, cooked or cut. So they do suffer, and you're still doing it.

3 centuries ago it was considered as perfectly normal to do whatever you wanted to animals. There no REASON behind the "don't hurt animals" trend, it's just an evolution of mentalities. So why your mentality should be considered as better than the Asian ones?

What makes this different from systems anywhere else though?

Hundreds of chickens and cows in closed spaces everywhere, with terrible living conditions.
As someone else noted, lobsters are boiled alive too.

Eventually, in the future, when we have sufficiently cheap technology to produce lab grown meat, we'll likely stop eating animals and begin being kinder to them.
But until then, you can't really do anything about this. It's not too hard to imagine a thread like this being made in South Korea petitioning Thanksgiving to be stopped to protect the poor turkeys.

Im not going to argue the case on a lobsters intelligence and i wouldn't Eat a lobster anyway because i don't think they should be boiled alive but dogs and cats are far more intelligent than lobsters and hace a wide range of emotions.  If your doing to eat something because you need to in order to survive at least have the decency to kill it as quickly as possible.

No more boil-em lobster alive.   

The mental and emotional torture of Islamites is done by themselves to themselves.
The animals are feeling the pain for real.

However, while it is the way of the Western world to be a bit more "feeling" towards the animals they kill and eat, the SE Asians often don't care about the torture.

In the end, our property is ours, their property is theirs, and Muslim property belongs to Muslims. The major difference between the Muslim thing and our animal cruelty thing is, Islam is trying to take over the world through any little thing they can use. We simply would stop animal cruelty.

If you can't see the difference between those two petitions then i suggest you seek immediate mental help.   No matter what culture your from the torture of animals should not be tolerated.  I understand that the western world Eat pigs for example which are as intelligent as dogs but there are laws in place to treat these animals as well as possible.  Dogs and cats in china and korea are literally boiled alive and tortured while the other animals watch because it's Beleived the more scared the animal is when it dies the better the meat is.  I hope anyone who partakes in these things meets a fate worse than those animals had to endure.

Well I didn't even know.
Anyway I didn't understand why this petition made so much noise. As long as they just ask for the removal of something they don't like, what's wrong with it? If they're only "a few that should accept the culture" the petition won't have any effect so why bothering?

And it's the same here, people are actually asking south Korea to change its culture because it offends you? Just LOL

From Snopes, at http://www.snopes.com/ban-oktoberfest-petition/:

There is an interesting psychological (genetic?) point here. Many people of SE Asia do not have what we Westerners would call a natural love of pity. There is a similar thing among the American Indians of both North and South America.

Is our natural-like pity for suffering life due to inherent Christian values that are built into our society, handed down from parents to children, automatically, unknowingly? Is it a mindset that penetrates throughout our groups and society with a form of inner, subconscious ESP? Is there genetics tied to it?

People who marry from West to SE Asia often produce beautiful children. Yet there is a kind of underlying family difference that at times produces strife, and at other times is so different as to keep strife from being produced in the family, simply because there is no common ground.