Sorry for this necrothread ... but after Casacius shutting down, is there any other reputable agent who's replicating that operation? (Not in the U.S I'd imagine).
It's high time I got my physical millibitcoins.
Topic: Physical Bitcoin - Alternatives to Casascius? (Read 3059 times)
Don't forget StrongCoin.com - they allow private key import in most formats.
They really need to work on their site to look good on mobile clients. I use it as a common wallet for my computers, but using it on my android phone is a chore at best.
An app like the mtgox app would suffice. The mtgox app still has problems importing base58 private keys.
Don't forget StrongCoin.com - they allow private key import in most formats.
They really need to work on their site to look good on mobile clients. I use it as a common wallet for my computers, but using it on my android phone is a chore at best.
Don't forget StrongCoin.com - they allow private key import in most formats.
BlockChain.info is another. The Javascript wallet there lets you import keys in Mini Key, Base 58 and other formats.
- https://blockchain.info/wallet
Don't forget StrongCoin.com - they allow private key import in most formats.
Cheaper methods are possible.
For instance, using scratch-off vendors as suggested by Casascius.
For instance, using scratch-off vendors as suggested by Casascius.
It was Freemoney that first came up with the idea of scratch off cards in post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.138740. I posted a suggestion about this again here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-scratch-off-game-50126. I've been developing a business based on this.
You could come out with real bitcoin scratch-off games while you are at it. Someone pays 1 btc for a scratch-off that contains a private key with anywhere from 0-X bitcoins on it. I'm pretty sure that this idea has been discussed in the gambling section before, though.
It doesn't seem to have been discussed before other than the post I had that nobody responded to. I'm just waiting for apps that will allow private key redemption. The mtgox android app is still buggy and doesn't recognize some base58 keys, though the website seems fine. When there are more apps for redeeming Bitcoin, I will go live with my scratch off games.
Cheaper methods are possible.
For instance, using scratch-off vendors as suggested by Casascius.
For instance, using scratch-off vendors as suggested by Casascius.
It was Freemoney that first came up with the idea of scratch off cards in post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.138740. I posted a suggestion about this again here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-scratch-off-game-50126. I've been developing a business based on this.
You could come out with real bitcoin scratch-off games while you are at it. Someone pays 1 btc for a scratch-off that contains a private key with anywhere from 0-X bitcoins on it. I'm pretty sure that this idea has been discussed in the gambling section before, though.
Cheaper methods are possible.
For instance, using scratch-off vendors as suggested by Casascius.
For instance, using scratch-off vendors as suggested by Casascius.
It was Freemoney that first came up with the idea of scratch off cards in post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.138740. I posted a suggestion about this again here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-scratch-off-game-50126. I've been developing a business based on this.
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Yep, I am arguing against using my bills for this purpose.
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They are best as a way to give bitcoins to someone and that someone to have a reasonable expectation that you don't have the private key to take them back. They really are for physical transactions.
I was mostly pointing out that you don't have to send one payment to one of your blank cheques and then write/print the received amount onto it.
If you were saving up for a purchase, you could send funds to the cheque until it reaches the amount needed, while keeping it someplace safe. (not in your wallet)
And yes... If you merely wanted to save/hoard coins, you could/should print off several copies of the private key(s) and store them someplace safe/secure.
Well, the paper I use is archival, so it could handle a bit more than normal paper, and last a lot longer in a wallet (I have had a test one in my wallet for the last month). But really I don't see that as the use case.
If a user just wanted a secure location to store funds, they can just print out from bitaddress, and make a dozen copies. Put them in various secure locations, and fund them at will. This would be cheaper than buying them and more resistant against distaster destroying them (since they are at multiple locations).
Yep, I am arguing against using my bills for this purpose. They are best as a way to give bitcoins to someone and that someone to have a reasonable expectation that you don't have the private key to take them back. They really are for physical transactions.
If a user just wanted a secure location to store funds, they can just print out from bitaddress, and make a dozen copies. Put them in various secure locations, and fund them at will. This would be cheaper than buying them and more resistant against distaster destroying them (since they are at multiple locations).
Yep, I am arguing against using my bills for this purpose. They are best as a way to give bitcoins to someone and that someone to have a reasonable expectation that you don't have the private key to take them back. They really are for physical transactions.
Mostly, I think they are a cute way of promoting bitcoin and make fun collectables to store your loot in.
I could
- Buy a blank cheque
- Copy QR codes for funding/balance
- Store cheque someplace secure
- Fund the balance over time
- Collect the cheque when ready to import OR Fill it out and trade for Fiat, Gold, Goods, Services, etc.
I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
I plan on selling them on ebay soon, and based upon the prices I get, I will also be selling them on printcoins through paypal.
The main reason I haven't yet is I didn't want to do it before working out the issues of production and order management.
Is importing private keys still a hassle for people? I went to http://printcoins.com/redeem and if MtGox and StrongCoin allow for simple imports, you would think that isn't the problem.
I guess until the default client allows/enables it, we won't know for sure.
I don't think this is a big deal, and I suspect that there will be many more import methods as time goes on.
Real issues are possible counterfeiting, merchant acceptance, and questionable need for physical bitcoins.
Real positives are immediate transactions, no need to do the geek dance of zapping eachother's phones, and easy transactions with people that really aren't that into bitcoin, but figure money is money.
Mostly, I think they are a cute way of promoting bitcoin and make fun collectables to store your loot in.
I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
I plan on selling them on ebay soon, and based upon the prices I get, I will also be selling them on printcoins through paypal.
The main reason I haven't yet is I didn't want to do it before working out the issues of production and order management.
Is importing private keys still a hassle for people? I went to http://printcoins.com/redeem and if MtGox and StrongCoin allow for simple imports, you would think that isn't the problem.
I guess until the default client allows/enables it, we won't know for sure.
I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
I plan on selling them on ebay soon, and based upon the prices I get, I will also be selling them on printcoins through paypal.
The main reason I haven't yet is I didn't want to do it before working out the issues of production and order management.
Hi All,
I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
And what's the deal with Bitbills? The website looks nice but they are not processing orders and don't seem to be checking their e-mail?
Thanks,
Pistachio
The main reason is trust. You have to trust the person that creates any physical Bitcoin transport system because they have access to your private key during the time they make the item. You have to trust that they do not keep a copy of the private key because if they keep a copy of it they can then take (steal) the Bitcoins out of the wallet or off the item at any time.I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
And what's the deal with Bitbills? The website looks nice but they are not processing orders and don't seem to be checking their e-mail?
Thanks,
Pistachio
So only buy from a very trusted source like https://www.casascius.com or http://www.memorydealers.com/bieq.html
From what I have heard Bitbills is having some vendor issues and are currently unable to make more cards.
Hi All,
I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
And what's the deal with Bitbills? The website looks nice but they are not processing orders and don't seem to be checking their e-mail?
Thanks,
Pistachio
I am new at this but why aren't more people selling physical BTC wallets (coins, paper, or otherwise) on ebay or other more visible exchanges? Is it that the market is still very small, a limited supply, or maybe the margins are too low for ebay fees?
And what's the deal with Bitbills? The website looks nice but they are not processing orders and don't seem to be checking their e-mail?
Thanks,
Pistachio
It is getting hard to keep up with all the different threads discussing aspects of this same subject.
I think it is a bubbling of the realization that physical currency is important to a monetary system. In essence these are bitcoin backed instruments, the same way USD used to be backed by a certain amount of gold.
Dealing with the physical gold was troubling to the ordinary populous, in the same way that dealing with digital money is (though digital money is easier). Paper and coins backed by the thing of interest abstract the actual thing away effectively.
If this is the wild west, I expect that in the next year, you will see 10 currency dealers doing the same thing. Once stabilized I plan on offering my printing and order management technology as a software as a service so those with almost no technical skills could become a printer themselves.
It is getting hard to keep up with all the different threads discussing aspects of this same subject.
@ Casascius
How much markup would you expect to be able to slash from your coins if a couple competitors opened up shop? I bought some coins of yours from memorydealers and thought the markup was already pretty reasonable all things considered. Of course I've never minted my own coins, so I'm talking out of my ass.
Absolutely love your products though.
How much markup would you expect to be able to slash from your coins if a couple competitors opened up shop? I bought some coins of yours from memorydealers and thought the markup was already pretty reasonable all things considered. Of course I've never minted my own coins, so I'm talking out of my ass.
Absolutely love your products though.
If I thought the competition was good, I would consider stop making coins - or specialize in a few collectible coins - and perhaps provide some other support service for others who make coins and charging a small per-piece fee.
For example, I could print private keys for people, or print "half" private keys, so that if someone sells a coin that is based on two-party trust, I could be that second party. I have that laser machine, which can be used for printing a 2nd private key onto the outside of somebody else's coins or other objects. The laser machine also happens to be handy because it cuts those private key sheets into perfect circles.
Part of why I am the only game in town is I suppose I'm the only person who simultaneously has the interest, the ability, and the personal resources (funding) to pull off a line of coins. The printing of private keys intimidates people as well, but it doesn't bother me, I know I can do it and get it 100% right.
@ Casascius
How much markup would you expect to be able to slash from your coins if a couple competitors opened up shop? I bought some coins of yours from memorydealers and thought the markup was already pretty reasonable all things considered. Of course I've never minted my own coins, so I'm talking out of my ass.
Absolutely love your products though.
How much markup would you expect to be able to slash from your coins if a couple competitors opened up shop? I bought some coins of yours from memorydealers and thought the markup was already pretty reasonable all things considered. Of course I've never minted my own coins, so I'm talking out of my ass.
Absolutely love your products though.
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