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legendary
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rippleFanatic
August 23, 2012, 08:02:49 PM
#84
You should try working out your maths again...

Its your maths, not mine.

IPO price will be 1.55 

Contract

TYGRR-BOND.PI
Bond face value is 1 BTC.
If BTCST defaults the bond will be worth 1 BTC.
If BTCST does not default the bond will be worth 1 BTC.

1 insured BTC for 1.55 BTC. what a deal  Roll Eyes
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1007
Poor impulse control.
August 23, 2012, 03:29:51 AM
#83
Another dirty useless fucking parasite.

Matthew is that you? lol

You are the only one to call me names on the forum, why can't you use your main account? lol


No, Goat I don't think that was referring to you. I just think danster82 was just announcing himself to the thread so other forum members would know what kind of person they would be dealing with.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
August 22, 2012, 09:21:16 AM
#82
The contract deosnt mention the interest being insured just the 1btc value of the bond.  I dont see why Goat would have to pay interest if pirate hasnt paid him, and the only reason he would pay is goodwill which at this point would probably help with the pitchfork mob thats coming  Smiley

I tried to be clear that I only believe Goat is on the hook for the 0.055 ~if~ pirate pays out.  At that point he's up ~0.5 BTC/bond anyway, so I don't think he minds paying out the 0.055.  Smiley

On the other hand, if pirate does not pay out, life sucks for Goat as much as it does for the rest of us and I certainly would not expect interest on money that has gone *poof*.

No, his life is 33% better than yours either way.

He buys the bonds back for 1.0 BTC if pirate defaults or if pirate pays. Either way, he's up 0.445 BTC per bond sold (because none of the 1.5 BTC you paid was ever sent to pirate). You automatically gave him 33% of your principal.

gee thanks for the great terms and taking that risk for me  Roll Eyes lol, the risk he takes is that pirate pays interest for 6 more weeks (33% / 5.5%). Oh wait, no risk for him there since his funds with pirate already covers that. So he's up 33% risk-free and you're out. WOW LET ME GET SUM OF THAT  Roll Eyes
newbie
Activity: 43
Merit: 0
August 22, 2012, 08:32:47 AM
#81
Another dirty useless fucking parasite.
newbie
Activity: 58
Merit: 0
August 21, 2012, 09:07:56 PM
#80

How long will we have to wait to know if we're getting 100% or 105.5%?

I assume the day that goat receives the BTC in his wallet. No sooner than that.
sr. member
Activity: 382
Merit: 253
August 21, 2012, 09:03:11 PM
#79
I'm buying back for 100% if he fails to send out coin. I'm buying back at 105.5% if he pays out in full with interest.

People are crazy cuz I don't know why...

How long will we have to wait to know if we're getting 100% or 105.5%?
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Wat
August 21, 2012, 06:40:28 PM
#78
The contract deosnt mention the interest being insured just the 1btc value of the bond.  I dont see why Goat would have to pay interest if pirate hasnt paid him, and the only reason he would pay is goodwill which at this point would probably help with the pitchfork mob thats coming  Smiley

I tried to be clear that I only believe Goat is on the hook for the 0.055 ~if~ pirate pays out.  At that point he's up ~0.5 BTC/bond anyway, so I don't think he minds paying out the 0.055.  Smiley

On the other hand, if pirate does not pay out, life sucks for Goat as much as it does for the rest of us and I certainly would not expect interest on money that has gone *poof*.



No he shouldnt mind. Thats the "goodwill" part i was talking about  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1006
Lead Blockchain Developer
August 21, 2012, 06:31:43 PM
#77
The contract deosnt mention the interest being insured just the 1btc value of the bond.  I dont see why Goat would have to pay interest if pirate hasnt paid him, and the only reason he would pay is goodwill which at this point would probably help with the pitchfork mob thats coming  Smiley

I tried to be clear that I only believe Goat is on the hook for the 0.055 ~if~ pirate pays out.  At that point he's up ~0.5 BTC/bond anyway, so I don't think he minds paying out the 0.055.  Smiley

On the other hand, if pirate does not pay out, life sucks for Goat as much as it does for the rest of us and I certainly would not expect interest on money that has gone *poof*.

hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Wat
August 21, 2012, 06:03:37 PM
#76
The contract deosnt mention the interest being insured just the 1btc value of the bond.  I dont see why Goat would have to pay interest if pirate hasnt paid him, and the only reason he would pay is goodwill which at this point would probably help with the pitchfork mob thats coming  Smiley

hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1001
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August 21, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
#75
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Topic: TYGRR.BOND-PI 1 BTC face 100% Insured Pirate Bonds BTCST

Why all the emotions? It is 100% insured, is it not?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Bitcoin today is what the internet was in 1998.
August 21, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
#74
Why cant you just pay them whatever you get back from Pirate, minus your 1.5%?
You sold these bonds couple weeks ago, at 1.50.
If Pirate does pay out, wouldn't you be feeling sorry for them?
I mean.., I would, at least a bit Smiley
Why to barter about the pity interest?

Trolls gonna to troll...

This is completely crossing the line. He was NOT trolling; he just wanted a simple question answered. It is fine to respectfully correct people for being misinformed, but calling someone a troll just because you don't agree with their viewpoint is unacceptable.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
August 21, 2012, 05:43:13 PM
#73
Why cant you just pay them whatever you get back from Pirate, minus your 1.5%?
You sold these bonds couple weeks ago, at 1.50.
If Pirate does pay out, wouldn't you be feeling sorry for them?
I mean.., I would, at least a bit Smiley
Why to barter about the pity interest?


Trolls gonna to troll...
Since when trolls ask questions for which almost everyone would like to hear answer?

Try to read the contract and try to figure out where I am obligated to have the BTC. Then try to figure out what you are asking me to do and see if that would require me to have the BTC in two places at the same time..

This can not be made more clear. Also do not forget your contract was with me, not pirate.

If you are asking me why will I not break the contract just because you want me to be nice, well lol you are silly. How about I brak the contract if pirate does not pay me back? You all will be nice right? Oh lol!
What am I asking you to do?
Am I daring asking you to break the contract?
No - not at all.
I don't even have one of these shitty bonds.
I'm just saying that you are mean. And also that you should feel embarrassed. But you obviously don't.

I also do not have any of these bonds.  But as the insurance paid out as stated I would not call them shitty.  I would call them fantastic.  I was leery of these 'insured' bonds but obviously Goat has honored his commitment.   Other pirate depositors do not have access to their coins at the moment at all and if these holders wanted to cash out they can do it now at a potential advantage.  That advantage alone could be worth much more then that interest payment.

legendary
Activity: 2053
Merit: 1356
aka tonikt
August 21, 2012, 03:34:01 PM
#72
I am mean.. so yeah you are just trolling.. lol.

Thanks buddy...
I am sort of trolling - yes.
But putting my message to you in public is all that matters to me. Otherwise you wouldn't just read it.
So if you want, go to the admin and ask him again to remove my posts, because you care so much about off-topic on the forum.
legendary
Activity: 2053
Merit: 1356
aka tonikt
August 21, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
#71
Why cant you just pay them whatever you get back from Pirate, minus your 1.5%?
You sold these bonds couple weeks ago, at 1.50.
If Pirate does pay out, wouldn't you be feeling sorry for them?
I mean.., I would, at least a bit Smiley
Why to barter about the pity interest?


Trolls gonna to troll...
Since when trolls ask questions for which almost everyone would like to hear answer?

Try to read the contract and try to figure out where I am obligated to have the BTC. Then try to figure out what you are asking me to do and see if that would require me to have the BTC in two places at the same time..

This can not be made more clear. Also do not forget your contract was with me, not pirate.

If you are asking me why will I not break the contract just because you want me to be nice, well lol you are silly. How about I brak the contract if pirate does not pay me back? You all will be nice right? Oh lol!
What am I asking you to do?
Am I daring asking you to break the contract?
No - not at all.
I don't even have one of these shitty bonds.
I'm just saying that you are mean. And also that you should feel embarrassed. But you obviously don't.
legendary
Activity: 2053
Merit: 1356
aka tonikt
August 21, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
#70
Why cant you just pay them whatever you get back from Pirate, minus your 1.5%?
You sold these bonds couple weeks ago, at 1.50.
If Pirate does pay out, wouldn't you be feeling sorry for them?
I mean.., I would, at least a bit Smiley
Why to barter about the pity interest?


Trolls gonna to troll...
Since when trolls ask questions for which almost everyone would like to hear answer?
legendary
Activity: 2053
Merit: 1356
aka tonikt
August 21, 2012, 02:31:08 PM
#69
Why cant you just pay them whatever you get back from Pirate, minus your 1.5%?
You sold these bonds couple weeks ago, at 1.50.
If Pirate does pay out, wouldn't you be feeling sorry for them?
I mean.., I would, at least a bit Smiley
Why to barter about the pity interest?
donator
Activity: 968
Merit: 1002
August 21, 2012, 02:09:52 PM
#68
First of all, there is no definition of pirate default in your contract, so this should be decided by majority.
Plus, there havnt said anything about not paying out interest if he defaults. Meaning that if he pays interest while we hold the bonds even if we decide that he defaulted u should take your part and pay it to us.Second part is that u may force buyback only on market price avg. +10%.Other stuff should be done only when we chose to do so. And if u get interest for this week, it automatically means that your bonds should be alive till next payout.
Dont do double standards, if u wish to flow only the contract then u should do so fully, not only the way u interpret it your self...
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1006
Lead Blockchain Developer
August 21, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
#67
I will buy back at 1.055 assuming pirate will pay interest for that week if you want to wait and find out but I am not obligated to do this.

Thank you.  Agree to disagree on the obligation part, but that's what I was after.

How can I collect interest on coin that I am forced by contract to have in GLBSE?

It's the insurance company's money that is forced by contract to be in GLBSE.

The bond holder's money is still with Pirate, supposedly collecting interest until payout.

In this case, you're the insurance company, sorry.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1006
Lead Blockchain Developer
August 21, 2012, 01:37:50 PM
#66
I will buy back at 1.055 assuming pirate will pay interest for that week if you want to wait and find out but I am not obligated to do this.

Thank you.  Agree to disagree on the obligation part, but that's what I was after.
vip
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
August 21, 2012, 01:34:33 PM
#65
Your contract says that u will pays us weekly rate-0.015
Doesnt it mean, that if pirate will payout u will have interest for previous and this week payed out, which means that u also should be paying dividends for that time?

Yes, But I will not keep paying after he defaults. That is just silly. Pirate failed to let me take money out of the account within 72 hours or pay interest so I am obligated to buy back the bonds at 1 BTC. He defaulted and I'm forced by contract to buy them back now.

I will buy back at 1.055 assuming pirate will pay interest for that week if you want to wait and find out but I am not obligated to do this.

The bond is now dead and he has defaulted. I can't keep paying you interest and be forced to have money in GLBSE at the same time to meet my contract obligations.

I'm not going to deal with trolls and assholes.  If you find this interpretation unfair please start a new scamming accusation thread.

Thank you.



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