Topic: Piracy - page 5. (Read 6657 times)

in the case of the copied car, no one would lose anything.

i'll retract "pirates" from above comment.

most people would take something if it was free for taking, less people would do it illegally if they knew they could get away with it - and if others see that nothing bad happens to them more would join them in such activity.

if people were ending up in jail for copyright infringement, there would be significantly less piracy going on.  Since there are very little repercussions, a lot of people got used to the idea of free taking something that's not free and now feel self-entitled that world should hand them everything for free conveniently on the plate.

would you do it? the question was not: "would I do it?", because i already know that answer.

i said it earlier in the thread if pirates had ability to do same thing (taking/using/stealing/copying w/o permission) to tangibles like smartphones, cars and anything else, without repercussion they would do it in a heart-beat. you don't have to be Nostradamus to realize it.

that unreal artists also plays well.

let me ask you a question:

would you copy a car, if you could? and all it took, was a little bandwidth. would you?

stop stealing music from not real artists, the real artist will hand it off to you for free! what's the problem?

If it makes you feel any better, I'm currently downloading over 9000 pieces of copyrighted material, and after I'm done I'm going to kick a puppy.

guys supporting piracy, go pirate open source all you want if you like free so much - i won't say a word.   don't use any copyrighted material if you have no desire to pay for it - it is not made for you.

retardation is your natural state.

dude! i play classical guitar, im not doing it for the money! im doing it for the music, because i think its fun!
the 99.99% aren't getting anything anyway.

im not talking about a world tourney. play for your community, play for fun, not money.

(i am the 99%, fuck you im know what im talking about.)

Okay, this is bullshit.  I'm a comedian and a comedy writer, and know a lot of actors and musicians, and they all want to get paid, because although they are doing what they love, at the end of the day, they still need to eat.

I personally creative commons everything I write, but that's because I have a career outside of writing, and I don't plan on making money off of it or doing it as my full time job.  But most of my friends have to work at shit jobs like waiting tables and clerks at law offices just to make ends meet, so they can do the thing that they love.

And you say, "Musicians should just do concerts!"  Concerts are one of the most grueling things a musician can do, months away from friends and family, traveling from unknown place to unknown place, and guess what?  Musicians already do them!  It's how they make ends meet to begin making their next album.

Your entitled attitude is astounding.  Maybe its because you're looking at that small percentage of musicians and actors who make a lot of money, and are forgetting about that 99.99% of them that are just figuring out how to get enough money to buy a few packs of ramen to eat. 

I will admit, I pirate a fair amount of stuff, but I also budget a certain amount of money each month to go back and buy the albums I like and will re-listen to.  If you're broke, I get it, I've been there, and it didn't stop me from downloading music, but quit with the entitlement shit.  It makes you look like an asshole.

I've netted a million dollars from the sale of intellectual property, have you? I doubt it. I'm still against intellectual property rights even though I have every incentive to be pro-IP. Why? Because intellectual property rights are immoral. I have no right to kick down doors, arrest people, force them to pay fines at gunpoint, all just because they used their computers to communicate information in a way that disrupts my revenue stream. If the entire world pirates my software, that's the greatest thing that could ever happen to me. I'll get job offers, ad revenue, speaking engagements, paid support requests, consultant offers, donations, etc, etc, etc. Being popular is almost never a curse. It's when people don't want to obtain your work no matter how low the price is, that's when you should worry. I'm speaking from experience. I love my 2010 Lexus RX350 but not enough to suggest that we lock people in cages or threaten them just so I can keep driving it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkWKvMCzqA - jack black talking about piracy.

please notice, that he is talking about incitement. what he says boils down to: no money -> no music.
THIS IS WRONG! because a real artist does care about his/hers art, not his wallet.

an artist should in my opinion, do it for the art, not the profit. of course the artist should be rewarded for his work.
an musician should hold concerts. but his record music, should be free.
i have a problem with paying for some that could easily be copied.
but i have no problem with going to a concert with a band. (except that im a rather poor student).

a concert can not be copied!

why do you feel that copyright holders automatically have a right to benefit from their creation?

what if i create the digital equivalent of a steaming pile of turd, and then i copyright it?

how do i then have a right to benefit from my creation?

Serge: STFU and let the market talk!

I was not aware on this thread, and responded in the original thread instead.

Your conclusions are based on crass assumptions. I am a member of the Pirate Party of Canada; not because I "pirate" commercial/proprietary works, but because I love Free (as in freedom) and Open Source Software. I have stopped buying most shrink-wrapped software and shiny optical disks with music and video over DRM concerns. I see "Intellectual Property" issues as human rights issues. Copyright, trademark, patent, etc, law is being used to trample (physical) property rights, the right to an education, the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, etc.

PS: You can pay for FOSS software: it is free as in freedom, not price. In fact, I think the OpenBSD project strongly encourages you to pay for the software.

Are you retarded? I went and panned gold today. I got a couple grams. It's near $2k an ounce. It was free. Did I steal it from the ground?

I think copyright law as it is now is ridiculous, but I also think everyone's going about "fighting the power" the wrong way. If their copyright is causing you problems, make something better, and release it under the public domain (or whatever license you prefer). Write a better book, code a better game, direct a better movie, and release them all with no copyright protection. "Be the change you wish to see in the world."

Essentially: make copyright obsolete.

There's two things at work here, and they're not necessarily the same thing:  what's legal and what's ethical.  In your drug example, China, India or Cuba mass producing a drug that's too expensive for them to buy may be the ethical thing to do, but it's still breaking international patent law.

To give you a flip example from the business world, I'll give you a case study from the startup Callpod and their dealings with Target:  Callpod produces a universal charging device called Chargepod, which has become a big hit.  Attempting to increase distribution, Callpod seeks a deal with Target in order to nationally distribute the Chargepod, but the deal hits a snag, but eight months later, a clone of the product, being produced by Target themselves, appears in their stores.  Callpod, which was smart enough to file a number of patents on the Chargepod technology, sues Target, who never had any real desire to sell the original Chargepod in their stores, and wins damages.

Target behaved illegally and maybe immorally in this case, but every move they did was the right move from the business perspective.  They knew that startup companies aren't usually the best at defending cases of patent infringement.  Most of the time, they don't pursue any civil suits, and if they do, they hire inexperienced lawyer friends who get beat in court.  In this case, Target was wrong, but more often than not, they would be able be able to sell the product without having to pay any of the licensing fees or any negative repercussions.  And even in this case where there were repercussions, they weren't enough to damage, or even noticeably dent Targets earnings.

When you download files off the internet, you're behaving like Target:  you may have virtually no chance of getting caught, and are gaining access to tools you wouldn't otherwise, but it's still copyright infringement.  Spare us the rationalizations, and have the balls to admit that you're doing something illegal, even if you won't get caught.

Piracy = Copy
Your hypothetical situation is invalid.

Here's one for you, suppose there's a medication patented by a large Pharma corp that's too expensive for countries to afford? Suppose China, India and Cuba 'pirate' the formula and make inexpensive clone generics saving millions of people's lives. Would you still be against piracy?

This is what 'Intellectual Copyright' has given humanity:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/04/microsoft-motorola-android-patent-lawsuit

A confusing web of endless lawsuits as corporations fight for control of everything