Your point is that some people are educated in a system where plagiarism essentially does not exist, and so coming here they do not understand it. I'm going to go off on a slight tangent here, but I hope you will indulge me while I make my point:
In my professional life, NSFW does not exist. I work in healthcare, and so am exposed to nudity, blood, guts, gore, malnourishment, injuries, deformities, military causalities, death, etc, on a daily basis. I write and review for journals, attend and present at meetings and conferences, lecture students, teach on courses, discuss online, and have never once seen or used a "NSFW" tag, even when the content includes some of the most horrific pictures imaginable. This is the standard that my colleagues and I live and work by.
However, I have the common sense to realize that if I am approaching a new medium of discussion, that it is wise to familiarize myself with and adhere to their rules, as these rules may be different to what I am accustomed to. If I went around sharing pictures of severed limbs and other such things that are commonplace in my day-to-day on this forum, then I would be banned and it would be entirely my own fault.
I'm afraid I have very little time for the people who protest their ban by pleading ignorance. It takes all of 5 minutes to read the rules.
Topic: Plagiarism as a result of cultural differences - page 3. (Read 1223 times)
I am from one of those countries you are talking about.
In fact, there are strict rules against plagiarism, but people don't care especially when there is no financial profit from stealing someone else's work.
If a user is smart enough to find a high quality topic off-site that should be discussed here, he should be also smart enough to read forum rules.
There should be a kind of tolerence when a member with good reputation forget to tell from where he copied his post (scarce cases).
But I can't think of any excuse for those who copy paste a previous post. Such behavior isn't related to the culture where the member come from.
In fact, there are strict rules against plagiarism, but people don't care especially when there is no financial profit from stealing someone else's work.
If a user is smart enough to find a high quality topic off-site that should be discussed here, he should be also smart enough to read forum rules.
There should be a kind of tolerence when a member with good reputation forget to tell from where he copied his post (scarce cases).
But I can't think of any excuse for those who copy paste a previous post. Such behavior isn't related to the culture where the member come from.
We could solve a lot of these problems by just actually making people aware of the most commonly broken rules. The basic rules or etiquette should either be stated when you sign up or linked to or even better a warning displayed when you go to post along the lines of Please do not plagiarise/copy and paste other's content without proper attribution would help a lot.
Exactly. Most have just found a loophole here and they're quick to exploit it. I'm sure there are a handful of people who might not understand the severity of what they're doing when they plagiarise content from elsewhere but for the most they're probably just greedy or lazy or even just not qualified for the job (not being able to speak English to an acceptable standard). There's absolutely no excuses for copying someone else's post from the same thread and they do that for the reasons I've just stated. Nobody in their right mind regardless of cultural differences would think that's acceptable and they know what they're doing when they do it.
I think plagiarism on this forum is more similar to being utterly lazy in your job than academic plagiarism. Most of those bounty hunters treat this as a source of income AND don't want to put effort into it. This irreconcilable contradiction won't be fixed by forcing them to read an explanation. I do appreciate the attempt though and I think we could do something like this even if that's just for the 1% of shitposters who could potentially be persuaded otherwise.
Exactly. Most have just found a loophole here and they're quick to exploit it. I'm sure there are a handful of people who might not understand the severity of what they're doing when they plagiarise content from elsewhere but for the most they're probably just greedy or lazy or even just not qualified for the job (not being able to speak English to an acceptable standard). There's absolutely no excuses for copying someone else's post from the same thread and they do that for the reasons I've just stated. Nobody in their right mind regardless of cultural differences would think that's acceptable and they know what they're doing when they do it.
Lauda, suchmoon, I agree with both of you. And you are right, forcing someone to read something will most of the times create the opposite effect. It is like the terms and conditions that need be accepted before installing a new software.
But if it is done properly, highlighting that they WILL be banned if they plagiarise, and what to do to prevent being banned, it might get some of them to read it.
But if it is done properly, highlighting that they WILL be banned if they plagiarise, and what to do to prevent being banned, it might get some of them to read it.
Actually, the moderators do have some latitude on exactly what action to take on a post that breaks the rules. This can be anything from deleting a post to an autoban. (or no action at all.) I have seen cases where a member is not autobanned for a copy paste. They usually take into consideration how old the post happens to be, if it can be contributed to an error, and whether it appears to be financially motivated. Also, the rules are titled "unofficial." From what I gather, Theymos is not interested in micromanaging the moderation of this board. He has delegated this responsibility to several moderators and mostly leaves it up to them to make fair decisions. He will step in if someone has a complaint about the moderation that seems to have some merit and that he disagrees with.
For reducing the number of violations, along with the captcha, can show the quotes from the most frequently violated forum rules about plagiarism, spam, duplicating posts, etc.
I think that people who copy/paste and plagiarise the works of others can be divided in 3 groups:
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No 4 should be those who copy and spin texts, making it very difficult, almost impossible to track down using a pliagarism checker.
This group puts in lots of effort, which could be directed I making a half decent post, to steal and customize contents of others.
Lauda, suchmoon, I agree with both of you. And you are right, forcing someone to read something will most of the times create the opposite effect. It is like the terms and conditions that need be accepted before installing a new software.
But if it is done properly, highlighting that they WILL be banned if they plagiarise, and what to do to prevent being banned, it might get some of them to read it.
But if it is done properly, highlighting that they WILL be banned if they plagiarise, and what to do to prevent being banned, it might get some of them to read it.
I think the clarification of what is meant by "plagiarism" stated later in the rules is pretty clear no matter what culture they are from.
Also, since I am a typical dumb American, I am monolingual. Therefore, I am not certain if a translated copy of the rules are available on the local boards. However, I believe many of the local boards do have a stickied post that gives users some idea what the rules are. If this is lacking, perhaps a push to make sure rules are available in as many languages as possible is in order. The challenge is finding capable users willing to do it.
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33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]
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33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.
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33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]
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33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.
~snip~
Also, since I am a typical dumb American, I am monolingual. Therefore, I am not certain if a translated copy of the rules are available on the local boards. However, I believe many of the local boards do have a stickied post that gives users some idea what the rules are. If this is lacking, perhaps a push to make sure rules are available in as many languages as possible is in order. The challenge is finding capable users willing to do it.
I think plagiarism on this forum is more similar to being utterly lazy in your job than academic plagiarism. Most of those bounty hunters treat this as a source of income AND don't want to put effort into it. This irreconcilable contradiction won't be fixed by forcing them to read an explanation. I do appreciate the attempt though and I think we could do something like this even if that's just for the 1% of shitposters who could potentially be persuaded otherwise.
A) We make a thread dedicated solely to plagiarism and have it as a sticky in the Help, Off topic and especially Bounty section. At the moment there is no such sticky thread. Doing my search I found this thread > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-plagiarism-and-how-to-avoid-it-5037514
B) After a user registers on the forum he should be redirected to the above thread. The thread will explain in layman terms what copy/pasting is, why it should not be done and that posting plagiarised content here WILL result in a permanent ban. There will also be examples of posts that got other users banned and examples of proper quoting and citation.
You can't force a user to read anything. In fact, trying to push a user to read something (such as in example B) usually leads to exactly the opposite. Most users will strongly oppose reading it. B) After a user registers on the forum he should be redirected to the above thread. The thread will explain in layman terms what copy/pasting is, why it should not be done and that posting plagiarised content here WILL result in a permanent ban. There will also be examples of posts that got other users banned and examples of proper quoting and citation.
I think that people who copy/paste and plagiarise the works of others can be divided in 3 groups:
1. Those who know what copy/pasting is, do it and don’t care about the consequences.
2. Those who intentionally copy/pasted once or twice because they were in a hurry, lacked proper knowledge about the subject and decided to take an easy route.
3. Those who have a different understanding of the plagiarism concept due to educational/cultural differences.
I would like to focus on the third group and I will start with a quote by Carol Olausen, the director of Miami's American Culture and English (ACE) Program regarding academic honesty/dishonesty:
What does this mean?
Students who come to America have different views on plagiarism because of their culture and their education.
The Asian culture is a collectivist culture.
What is the purpose of this thread?
If the American Education System has recognised that other cultures are educated and live by other standards and have a different view on the works of others, is it then not possible that one part, at least a small part of the users that get banned on Bitcointalk due to plagiarism actually don’t know what they did wrong?
Yes, there are rules here. Yes, they should read and understand the rules and adhere to them like everywhere else. If we take a look at the banned users we can certainly say that based on the way they write in English they are not from an English speaking community, correct? Their posts are full with grammatical errors and sometimes utter nonsense. How does someone who doesn’t know how to write a simple sentence or two understand the concept of plagiarism or rule 33?
33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
So what can be done? I can think of two things.
A) We make a thread dedicated solely to plagiarism and have it as a sticky in the Help, Off topic and especially Bounty section. At the moment there is no such sticky thread. Doing my search I found this thread > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-plagiarism-and-how-to-avoid-it-5037514
As you can see there has been no posts in it since October 2018. But the thread is good and can be used for this purpose. The thread could be updated by anyone interested to help out. I would be interested when I have the time.
Anyone reading this should understand that I am in no way protecting, justifying or finding excuses for anyone plagiarising any content here. I do my part as well in reporting and posting about such content in the Report plagiarism thread in Meta. I would just like to offer another view and try to help that small part of users who might not know that copying content is a serious offence.
B) After a user registers on the forum he should be redirected to the above thread. The thread will explain in layman terms what copy/pasting is, why it should not be done and that posting plagiarised content here WILL result in a permanent ban. There will also be examples of posts that got other users banned and examples of proper quoting and citation.
Source: https://www.turnitin.com/blog/cultural-differences-in-plagiarism
Feel free to share your thoughts.
1. Those who know what copy/pasting is, do it and don’t care about the consequences.
2. Those who intentionally copy/pasted once or twice because they were in a hurry, lacked proper knowledge about the subject and decided to take an easy route.
3. Those who have a different understanding of the plagiarism concept due to educational/cultural differences.
I would like to focus on the third group and I will start with a quote by Carol Olausen, the director of Miami's American Culture and English (ACE) Program regarding academic honesty/dishonesty:
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“An academic integrity policy is completely based on our culture. It's not universal. What we do doesn't exist in other countries, and how we interpret it is completely based on our own culture. Coming into a new place and having to catch up really quickly on something, literally, that's so foreign is definitely a challenge."
What does this mean?
Students who come to America have different views on plagiarism because of their culture and their education.
The Asian culture is a collectivist culture.
Quote
“A collectivist culture is one that prioritizes the goals and desires of the whole over the needs of the individual. Often in Japan, India, and other East Asian countries, ideas that are beneficial to and shared by the community are not individually attributed, but rather recognized as universal knowledge. Students that grow up with this perspective may not understand why citations at the end of a research paper are important; furthermore, citations might even make them feel uncomfortable, as they recognize individual authors above the community as a whole”.
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“Throughout much of China, students in schools are taught the Confucian principle of respecting those who offer wisdom by memorizing their teachings. Whether in history, social studies, science, or literature, most Chinese students are discouraged from producing original work in an academic setting and instead advised to remember and repeat the ideas of the masters in those subject areas as a form of respect”.
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“For some cultures, there is no formalised understanding of plagiarism. In Eritrea, there is no legal copyright protection either for authors within their country or for writers of foreign works. If a student arrives in the United States without a working definition of plagiarism from their home country, it may be difficult to comprehend and adhere to the US concept of academic integrity”.
What is the purpose of this thread?
If the American Education System has recognised that other cultures are educated and live by other standards and have a different view on the works of others, is it then not possible that one part, at least a small part of the users that get banned on Bitcointalk due to plagiarism actually don’t know what they did wrong?
Yes, there are rules here. Yes, they should read and understand the rules and adhere to them like everywhere else. If we take a look at the banned users we can certainly say that based on the way they write in English they are not from an English speaking community, correct? Their posts are full with grammatical errors and sometimes utter nonsense. How does someone who doesn’t know how to write a simple sentence or two understand the concept of plagiarism or rule 33?
33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
So what can be done? I can think of two things.
A) We make a thread dedicated solely to plagiarism and have it as a sticky in the Help, Off topic and especially Bounty section. At the moment there is no such sticky thread. Doing my search I found this thread > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-plagiarism-and-how-to-avoid-it-5037514
As you can see there has been no posts in it since October 2018. But the thread is good and can be used for this purpose. The thread could be updated by anyone interested to help out. I would be interested when I have the time.
Anyone reading this should understand that I am in no way protecting, justifying or finding excuses for anyone plagiarising any content here. I do my part as well in reporting and posting about such content in the Report plagiarism thread in Meta. I would just like to offer another view and try to help that small part of users who might not know that copying content is a serious offence.
B) After a user registers on the forum he should be redirected to the above thread. The thread will explain in layman terms what copy/pasting is, why it should not be done and that posting plagiarised content here WILL result in a permanent ban. There will also be examples of posts that got other users banned and examples of proper quoting and citation.
Source: https://www.turnitin.com/blog/cultural-differences-in-plagiarism
Feel free to share your thoughts.
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