Topic: Planned merits vs actual merits (Read 807 times)

I think I am not able to provide enough evidence so I publicly apologize CB and anyone who might have been hurt throughout the discussion. I was just keen to know how some members are able to send so many merits if they are actually reading the posts.

I believe one answer that almost satisfies me is that they bookmark all such posts and send them once they have some available. I will re-open the thread if I am able to find any other information that helps this discussion. Locking it for now.

What the heck about merits here is worth THAT much arguing?

I remember being on invisionfree boards when I was a kid and I cared about post counts for rep points - and stars that when with them but - Merit? It's like a bookmark or a highlight to let the forum members know you like or have approved a particular post...

Then again doubt anyone is going to care about people passing around Merit for some speculative reason that it has value and if they do then kudos I wish i had inside info too but I don't.

At least it hasn't turned into a karma farm here... I know you know where that is so I'm not gonna shill it.

Ah, come on--we need members like suchmoon with his/her biting style of posting, often challenging other members to defend their viewpoints.  At the very least, suchmoon is definitely not a troll.

Damn you, LoyceV, with your technical and knowledgeable explanation to something I thought was magic.  I suppose you're going to tell me the easter bunny doesn't exist, too?  I've had enough of this logic, thank you very much, and I'm going back to living in my fantasy land.  See you in about 15 minutes or so.

Lol.

The logical explanation would be a delay in the internet connection, after which all 6 "clicks" reached the server at once. But what's the fun in being logical, when Foxpup has been using his time machine for years?

Wowza!  You wouldn't think even Foxpup's nimble fingers would be able to pull that off, and I'm actually puzzled as to how he did it (potential time machine aside).

I probably didn't mention that I occasionally do this for certain members when I'm out of merit, and even when I'm reviewing post histories I tend to hand out merits at a rapid pace if I'm familiar with that member's writing style and quality.  At that point, the only judgement left to be made is effort, and that IMO can be done by looking at post length--which is a quick process when you have all of the member's posts pulled up on your screen.

Imo, the speed at which merit is given should not be of great concern, rather the quality of post being merited. However, there a some factors that can lead to successive merit awarding withing an infinitesimal interval. They are;
1. Bookmarking of quality posts to be merited when merit is lacking. Someone who had already noted or bookmarked posts to be merited does not necessarily need to re-read the posts before meriting it as said by OP.
2. Someone might need all the replies in a page of a thread before he/she will start meriting. This can be common with merit sources on especially a merit cluster or giveaway thread. It can also be someones way of meriting. Most times I do this when I have a few smerit to give. O can hastily give it out and later find a better post on same thread, so I usually read through before meriting.
3. A user who is in a campaign, has a personal project and manages more than one account can have very tedious work in the forum.  Therefore may decide to have a forum time table, that between a certain time will be for posting, another time for post counting, another for meriting, another for marketing and maybe for plagiarism hunt etc. So, when the time is for meriting, you can see them coming within seconds.

That little incident shouldn't be too surprising, given that the art contest was (among other things) my biggest merit spree of all time. It's only natural that I accidentally left my time machine (the existence of which can't be proven) set to the same destination a few times. You can't expect me to keep track of every little detail.

I just checked my data, and indeed nobody ever Merited 5 posts within the same second.
However, Foxpup pulled it off with 6 posts:

(I'm not counting theymos' Admin tricks)

My fat fingers didn't allow me to merit that much faster.

My sMerits were scarce all the time, if I have 5 sMerit to spend then I will try your challenge next time.

You're wrong One request per second is the maximum the forum allows after a burst period.
It's totally possible to Merit 4 posts within 1 second. 5 seems impossible.

1 merit transaction per second is the threshold amount if I am not wrong so there is nothing wrong with meriting in the quick time and already people discussed about the possible reasons why there are some members send merits in quick session and OP if you still not convinced then you are supposed to provide more evidence to support your claim or everyone will consider you as a troll.

Sending merit in a short time does not mean that there is a problem or that the user is abusing the merit system. There are many members here who if they find a member deserves merit they check his profile and give merit to some of his posts. Recently when I needed merit to achieve Hero rank @LoyceV helped me to rank up with 30 merit. In the same way other members also help others to rank up. And if you have evidence that a member is abusing merit, you can post with that evidence.

Op, is like you are not fully aware that keeping or banking Smerit is bad character because Merit have be in circulating motion, it's obvious that your observation towards distributions of Smerit is totally wrong, anyone is entitle to review any users account and decide to award a merit to any of he or her post that's best known or interesting to him, giving ten or seven (10 to 7) Merits to a particular user account in different topics or post is not against of the community rules and regulations, and is not in any way seen as abuse of Merit system, i think some person's have clarified you very well before you will alleged another accusations to another merit source.

Come out clean and say what exactly, that they're my alts or what. Well if that's what you want to hear me say then sorry to disappoint but they aren't.
You can go on and review these accounts. Even if I was to have another account, It wouldn't be smart of me l, knowing the consequences of my action and its effect on my account and reputation, to abusive this privilege given to me to award merits knowing fullying well that nothing is hidden here, our account activity are open to public viewing so irrespective of what we do, it can be easily identify by just looking dipper into the account.

Are the merit planned obviously, these accounts are been reviewed that's why they're merited in that sequence. It's quiet surprising why you singular out those accounts while we have others been merited in the sequence. Initially I thought you were coming out with a convincing argument of their posts not been worth merits but I guess not as you haven't said anything in that regards.

If you still have something cooking up, do mention me so I get a notification and come clear the air. I was thinking there are other misunderstanding I need to come clear you on but it seems there isn't.

I have said this before, i don't know why he is after viewing smerit should be spent and not. there are many things to participate to gain merit in the forum.

Apparently your not entirely wrong @OP to have tagged the above scenarios planned merits but, to what extent are these merits planned or are they entirely wrong is what I don't get here. I like to examine cases and the facts in them. I might bring to your notice that, there is what we call post reviews and its done by mostly the ranked up users who are either concerned without being provoked and those for whom, they are sent a pm on post review and merits if possible. This is the sort of habit that prompts this sort of meriting and from where I stand in accordance with the forum rules, its not wrong. Posts are looked out for and merited.

Okay, I give you an example and it just came up few days ago from a merit source of which, CryptopreneurBrainboss is also a merit source. Here is a reputable user whom I respect so much and has being playing his part in ensuring proper merit distribution on the forum. Just read this;
What do you expect should the said user apply? I tel you. A post review and then, your most likely to see merits being awarded on a trend as its displayed in OP. The forum is a lot more simple only if yiu can understand. Well, i have to give it to you for being that observative and curious too, its a good one but, one can only so much and so little too.

I thought you've gotten the desired answers you needed from CB and other reputable members why it is possible to merits to a particular user as many posts as possible under 2mins or less, I've already bookmakered some posts I'd merit whenever I have smerits no matter how long it takes, it just a personal judgement thing. If you keep digging data or no data you'll only feel empty at the end

It's an idiom. Again, it's about an action and not about you being a dog. I'm starting to sense a trend here despite your repeated claims of how thick your skin is.


I'd be disappointed in your drama for nothing, not because CB is "clean", whatever that means. CB is an upstanding member of the community.

I read through her comment and I can't figure out where she insulted you, I'm not siding anybody but I think she just pointed out something to you, according to one of the greatest quote I love " I'm 100% responsible for what I write, you are 100% responsible for how you understand it (interprete it)

Sounds like someone jealous of other members' achievements, everything in life is all about passion if you are passionate about something you'd have time for it no matter how tight your schedule is, we are not here because we are empty in real life, most of us are successful businessmen and women, retired and other works of life, I'm an engineer but I always find time to be here not because of the little cents I got from sig but I feel at home whenever I'm here so l always find time for it. We love Bitcoin and that's why most of us are here.

Despite all the differences in opinions with him/her, I wouldn't do it because it's better to confront an intelligent person than to entertain a troll. They have a problem with me because I admitted having 1 more account, although I told them 50 times I don't use it anymore. The thread hasn't gone downhill yet, just wait for it.

suchmoon, whether they realise it or not, is a very belligerent person who doesn't believe anyone else can have an interpretation that differs to their own.  They will continue to persecute you and indeed anyone else who they perceive has taken a stance against them.

This thread has already gone downhill.  Best not to encourage the trolls such as @suchmoon any further.  (placing them on ignore is best)

If you are still upset about me creating a new account and preferring to use this one over the other, I can't really help you. Just so you know, barking is associated with a dog and if you are comparing me talking to barking, it's insulting. Not that it bothers me one bit, just telling.



I would be more glad to see CB come out clean instead. Asking questions and drawing comparisons doesn't mean I wish bad for someone. Please don't be upset if CB comes out clean because although I will share some data, I really hope and believe CB will come out clean.

If you feel new members have no right to ask questions to/against self-acclaimed godly keyboard warriors trusted members, then sorry you are mistaken.

If you still have any personal problems though, feel free to message me and continue over there

I'm commenting on your actions, not your person. I thought we already settled that in the discussion about lying and sockpuppeting.


If it's anything short of CB selling merits or meriting sockpuppets, I'll be very disappointed, given the dramatic setup and the cliffhanger.

For some reason I have a mentality to absorb hate, maybe as LoyceV calls it, thick-skinned. I don't mind your hate and now let's come to the topic.

I asked for his views before I draw my conclusion and he gracefully explained his part. Now that one part of the story is clear, I am moving to the other one.

Some advice for you, my friend - If you feel insulting me will make me feel bad, it only helps me grow a thicker skin and I laugh don't mind such rants.

For the very soon part, I don't have all day to sit on the forum and post for my signature because I don't have one. Once I have enough time to post what I want, I will do it. You don't own the forum and it's easy to imagine yourself as a king sitting behind a computer with a keyboard on your laps. On the contrary, the more time you spend on forum shows how empty you are in real life

If you think I have nothing meaningful to say and I talk shit all the time, please ignore me and enjoy your stay. I have immense respect for you regardless of how you attack me.

Edit: An oh, I don't have any "preconceived conclusion" to start with. I observed something and discussed it.

That was just an example of how merits can be sent quickly, even far quicker than the examples in the OP. As usual, you're barking up the wrong tree and totally misinterpreting something mundane. If you have other "details" as to how this is abuse/misuse - that's what you should have started with, but "very soon" indicates that you're likely just trying to make shit up as you go to justify your preconceived conclusion. Not cool.

Glad to see so many good answers, I will reply to the ones I feel I should but thanks to everyone who took part.


No, I am not at all saying that. I was just a touch confused how some members are meriting so fast and that leads me to wonder if there is something wrong going on. I never accused or doubted anyone and sorry if I sounded like one.


All respect to Gozie51 but I just stated the fact that he is part of the spammer list, I never called him a spammer myself



When you say something like that, you make me believe there is something wrong because if people involved are clean they must enjoy the whole discussion than suggesting me to find something else.


I understand but we do need to make sure people are not involved in spending merits in such a way that only a particular group is benefiting and rotating them.

Since your account is purchased (as tagged by Jolly) I think you are only making things more suspicious here

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I myself do that. But meriting the same user within minutes didn't look right to me initially, it is making more sense now as more replies are pouring in.

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I do ask for such things to reputed members sometimes but I am sure none of the members involved have messaged each other about it, I am pretty sure.

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Yes although it is quite strange when you see the same group is rotating merits. I will post some stats below to make it clear what I mean.



That's the point but I don't think these members are asking each other to review their post history regularly.

Thanks though, cleared some of my doubts

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I am not suspecting anyone, I am just asking questions based on some different or weird patterns.

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That's because I REQUESTED him to review my posts history and when you specifically check for someone's recent posts, it is understandable to see smaller gaps between merits.

The first two lines of a post are good enough to know a merits worthy post and there are no rules anywhere asking you to read the entire post before merit, there is no need to be sad about how someone spends his/her smerits they earned it and they should use it they way they see fit as long as they are not trading it. Keeping it to oneself does not add anything to your profile.

From the screenshot you posted I can boldly tell you that Ruchi deserves all the merits he got from CB

Maybe you forget? The Pharmacist has sent you 12 merit in 1 minute 8 second if you carefully check the history of merit you received in the last 120 days. I see it from the merit history you received and I think there are many merit  source that have the same habit, one of which is DdmrDdmr and several others.

Eh, I don't think OP is being stupid--I think he just doesn't understand how some members can give away so many merits so quickly.  From an outsider's perspective, I can understand how it would appear suspicious.  After all, it's not like this forum hasn't had tons of merit abuse (and likely still has a lot happening).  When someone looks at my merit-giving history, they might reasonably conclude that I'm favoring some members and perhaps question how I could rapidly give a single member 30-40 merits in a single 5-minute period.

The fact is that I'm not favoring anyone.  I'm either doing a post history review for someone who's PM'ed me, or I'm reviewing post histories from this thread, which I try to follow closely.  As I said, it doesn't take long for me to determine whether someone's put enough effort into their posts to warrant merits--but OP may not have understood that, since it hasn't really been discussed before.

You may as well add me to your tin foil hat list of half baked suspects because I will make a copy of the urls of posts I would like to merit.  Then, when i have received some merits, I'll go back over my list open the various URL's and merit each - usually in a handful of minutes.

How many threads have you seen suggesting other people's posts warrant merits?

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Even for you OP, this really is a half baked thread.

Nah, it usually doesn't take nearly that long to figure out if a post is merit-worthy, especially if you're familiar with the member's quality of writing overall.  For example, if I see a post that's a few paragraphs long by a member like Hydrogen, suchmoon, or pretty much any of the members I'm familiar with, I'm confident that the most deserves merit(s).

And if you take a look at my merit-giving history, you'll see I have examples just like the ones you pointed out, where I've given a single member merits for a number of their posts.  That's most likely because I've offered to do post history reviews for members, and just a quick scan of someone's post history will tell me which posts are deserving and which aren't.  I don't think I need to read every single post in depth.  I just check for effort, grammar, spelling, and overall quality.  And hell, I've been a merit source for a couple of years now, so it's gotten easier to do.

Sometimes I'll merit multiple members within a single thread in a short period of time, too.  Again, it really doesn't take that long to separate the good posts from the not-so-good ones.  Quickness comes with experience.

Maybe you are thinking he used automated way to merit those post i guess he actually read those post he merited. i don't really think there is any important thing attached to their way of giving merit with time frame listed as you said.
i have also came across of post made by OgNasty where he said "sign a signature and gain merit" that is only for newbie and account that is not related to bounty hunting.

Not sure if the posts worth merit or not, haven’t checked out as I think it’s not necessary. Merit worthiness depends on the perspective of respective users.
A few days ago, I had PMed yahoo62278 for having a review on my post as I'm nearly to my new rank  Please note that yahoo62278 had stated somewhere to PM him if someone is lacking of merits for next rank or just to have a look at their post history if they think they are not having enough merit. So, he merited in 2 of my posts. It would also be possible that he merited some more posts if he thought my posts deserved. That would create the same situation as this one.

@savetheFORUM keep in mind that some forum members are bookmarking good posts when they are out of smerit, so when they get some  they can share it very fast, across different threads/boards. I used to do it before, when I was more active but lately I kinda stopped with that;s practice. So, that's another way how it might look that someone is sharing merit without even reading the posts while it doesn't have to be the case.

Probably the person that got merited was just so good that they the people who merits them have found other post worthy of merit plus it's not like it's difficult to decide, I mean I can read fast and most of the time, you can see it in the first lines in the post that it's merit worthy. Although, I have reservations because some people who do this merit becomes suspicious.

Are you trying to say sending smerits within short time is not good?
sending merits isn't bad, you (i) can send merit to any post i found interesting to me or deserved to be merited but looking at the time of meriting the users has nothing to do within. so don't think it is a connected accounts or not.
Gozie51 is not spamming.



Besides there are lots of users here how do you intends to monitor all user who are sending merits to fellow users, it is better you find something interesting to do than to monitor how merits being sent out.
There is something you don't understand here; Smerit is not what you can save back but to send out, you too can also send to users whom you find their post interesting.

First of all, I believe CryptopreneurBrainboss not abusing the merit system. Secondly, I don't think it's something wrong with meriting with a short period. I don't know CryptopreneurBrainboss's merit sending criteria but for me, I do the same thing sometimes. If I found a user make a very good post then I become curious to visit his post history if there is more good and quality post exist. If so, then I send merit a few posts from his/her post history. I don't think I am doing wrong since merited posts aren't spam to me. For this reason, no one should blame me for merit abuse.

@ OP, I'm not blowing your concern and appreciate your effort. But it will be better if you can add more details if you discovered merit abuse there. I know many users abusing the merit system. But we are unable to do anything if no strong evidence. Personally, I like to see more merit circulation, so more users would get benefits from the merit system.

I will show you the real abuse of transferring or selling merits to another member to participate in a subscription company.
The account tazmantasik woke up and immediately awarded 5 merits to another account  bounceback.



Suspicious enough, isn't it? And the posts themselves are not of high quality.


As for CryptopreneurBrainboss, he, as a representative of the local section of Nigeria, is quite rightly more attentive to the users of this section. As noted earlier, he has the right to distribute and read everything as he sees fit.

I think we should encourage people to give merits no matter if they give in bulk etc. Merits need to spread in the forum generously so those who are good posters aren't having a feeling of being neglected.

Its good that you spend your free time analyze people on how they are giving merits. I would suggest it could be more constructive if you spend time in things like finding any merit sources not giving away enough merits etc.

Maybe. But it's not necessary to Merit a post right after you're done reading. I usually open Merit-links in a new tab so I can continue reading without interruption, and Merit 4 posts within a second later on:

You can take a look at 128 posts merited (by me) in just under 2 minutes – What’s got over me? (v 10.0), where I depict my historical (as in retrospective) meriting sprees, and the criteria used on each occasion. Those would be my "Super sprees", but I have also performed "Mini sprees" (smallish amount of post merited in s very short time span, which I don't log). You can still see my last "Super Spree" reviewing my meriting profile.

Both "Super sprees" and "Mini sprees" are a perks, subject to:
-   Having a bunch of sMerits to give out.
-   Having, at certain times, the will to hand them out (as opposed to let them rot).
-   Distributing them in a provably fair manner (see criteria in each case).
-   Having or developing a small skillset in order to award the sMerits as depicted.
-   Respecting some awarding time constraints.
-   Having a will to have a little fun every now and then.

Thank you CB, I always spell your username correctly, it was a typo as only the C was missing but thanks for reminding me. I never had the intention to attack you or seek attention.

I am glad to know about Ddmr will review that technique later. I will post some stats later once I get enough time to compile them to explain you why I created this thread.

I appreciate the PM OP to bring this thread to my awareness but you can do that easily in future my copy pasting my name or actually spelling it correctly Ok. Based on your observations, it seems you haven't taken a look at DdmrDdmr meriting records, I bet yea, you'll be impressive and maybe get more attention attacking him than me. Well it's obvious he uses bot, my human skills can't beat that since I do my meriting manually.

Neither of the users I have merited get merited because of some campaign they have to join or are already a member off, get that fact right and stop with your baseless assumptions. Now assuming you're questioning the quality of the post I merited than your accusations would had been more valid but it seems there's nothing you're trying to prove here.

What you're observing is accounts been review and merit worthy posts are been rewarded. It's quite easy to do, you just have to read their post, click on the merit button for as many merited post as possible then you merit one after another, it'll take you just seconds to complete depending on how many posts you're meriting though.



Pretty sure you can find so many users accounts getting a review from me if you dig dipper and not just targeting certain users. Lastly if I did merit all Rruchi man post he should have been a hero member by now having made over 500+ posts but that's not the case (he's a full member). What next?

There are no rules for merits which means I am not able to decide what is worthy of merit and what is not. You can give the merits to anyone you wish, no doubt about that but I am just trying to ensure that there are no gangs being built because if they are built as such, there is just no room for new members to get merits. I will soon post all the stats so just wait for it. If you haven't made any mistakes then there is no need to worry. It will only strengthen your way of meriting.

I have seen some posts from Rruchi man being merited more than usual. I understand some people might be fan of the member though so not accusing anyone here.

Your post will not be valid if you do not post unworthy posts that were merited, if the smerit given were to worthy posts and a post you know a member can see helpful, I think no need for your argument. If I am merited, I can give the smerit(s) to whoever I want so far the posts I merited are useful.

Thanks. But from what I know CB is not short on merits and there is a group they are rotating merits except CB who spends outside too. I will post more details very soon.

There is no rule that says you have to send merits immediately after reading a post. In fact, someone who plans of meriting a few posts and perhaps has a limited number of merits to spend, would likely open a bunch of posts in tabs and/or bookmark them, decide which ones to merit and how much, put the numbers into boxes, and hit "Send" within seconds. I've done this literally thousands of times.

When I need time off the forum, I do take breaks as you might see from my posting gaps. Thanks for the suggestion but is there any problem with the current hobby? I mean at least it's more constructive than playing games on mobile, yeah?

I think you aren't aware how much time people are spending finding alts and everything. I think some people need this advice more than me.

Just advice, but you really need to find a new hobby, son.... I mean, who has time for that kinda dumbass shit?

Like I said, if there's a logic or reasoning behind how they do it while also reading posts, I will be glad to learn something and move on. I hope people aren't offended on asking such things 

The user DDmrDDmr (if I have spelled it correctly) has a record of sending faster merit to a good number of users. I don't have the details now by the way, but I am sure he has it. :-)

Edit: It spells DdmrDdmr

Please note, I am not accusing anyone but just sharing my opinion on how some users are giving merits to the accounts than to the posts.

Let's have a look at some screenshots. Have a look at the timestamps of the merits given.



( Gozie51 is part of the spammer list by actmyname)





Is it actually possible to read 4 posts in 4 different sections within less than 2 minutes? It looks like he just decided that he wants to give merits and clicked the last posts of them and sent merits.

Even if you read the posts, it should normally take 2-5 minutes considering the post was merit-worthy. Below are some examples of actual merits given.



It is obvious that fast merits are possible within the same thread as you scroll down.


I could not find any other member on the forum with a similar style of giving out merits and hence I am creating this thread. I respect ryptopreneurBrainboss a lot and I hope asking some questions publicly is not a problem if everything is clean.

I have some other patterns that are worth looking at, will keep updating the thread.

If someone wonders why would someone rotate merits so hard? It's because hampuz and campaigns like duelbits require large number of merits to join the campaign and such tactics get you slots.

Rruchi man has almost always got merits from CB on all of his posts.