PLAYBETR accuse me with arbitrage and DONT PAY

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Quote from: megaege on September 25, 2022, 05:23:02 PM

Quote from: PlayBetr on September 24, 2022, 03:31:54 AM

16 days later, he sees the topic falling and asks us to post this just to keep it going. We try to be as transparent as possible, in every situation, but now we are seeing why many other legitimate operations don't give these people the time of day.

Here is where you have lied:
1. No one on live chat ever told you not to worry. Live chat does not deal with security matters. Your first chat was about betback and lossback. Your second was on limits on baseball and you asked about the withdrawal and were told to fill a support ticket. Your 3rd was asking why your account was closed and being told to write an email.

2. In your email, you said you were accused of late betting. We told you right from the beginning that this was in relation to arbitrage. Were you also late betting?

3. When we told you we were returning the deposits, you said you had deposited between 11000 and 12000 USDT. You had deposited 7842 USDT.

4. In your emails, you said that you had bet on another site with our odds provider without issue and as a losing bettor. Then later you said you stopped betting with them due to limits. Why were them limiting you if there was no issue and you were losing?

All this proves, it that you are being deceitful and trying to say things to get us to decide in your favor, just like you have done in this accusation. But the same odds provider you mentioned that you have had no issue with is the one that determined the abuse. And they say it is not the first time. The people that are being banned for this aren't smart dudes with a calculator who are trying out a system. They are professionals, who go from book to book or stay at the same book creating new accounts until they get banned. Come back and see if we return your deposit next time. We have every tool in place to detect multiple accounts and hiding your IP behind a VPN isn't going to help.

No we aren't going to spend hours publishing every conversation we had. It has been 16 days and we have moved on from this. We aren't circus animals who perform for you at your command. We published the key points of your dishonesty. They don't prove that you are a cheater. But we do have that proof and if you would like to submit a 3rd party mediation, please do so and we will show them. If we showed you, it would just improve your cheating skills. But you said you proof of every conversation, so feel free to publish them yourself. Or was that another lie?

Quote from: PlayBetr on September 24, 2022, 03:31:54 AM

16 days later, he sees the topic falling and asks us to post this just to keep it going. We try to be as transparent as possible, in every situation, but now we are seeing why many other legitimate operations don't give these people the time of day.

Here is where you have lied:
1. No one on live chat ever told you not to worry. Live chat does not deal with security matters. Your first chat was about betback and lossback. Your second was on limits on baseball and you asked about the withdrawal and were told to fill a support ticket. Your 3rd was asking why your account was closed and being told to write an email.

2. In your email, you said you were accused of late betting. We told you right from the beginning that this was in relation to arbitrage. Were you also late betting?

3. When we told you we were returning the deposits, you said you had deposited between 11000 and 12000 USDT. You had deposited 7842 USDT.

4. In your emails, you said that you had bet on another site with our odds provider without issue and as a losing bettor. Then later you said you stopped betting with them due to limits. Why were them limiting you if there was no issue and you were losing?

All this proves, it that you are being deceitful and trying to say things to get us to decide in your favor, just like you have done in this accusation. But the same odds provider you mentioned that you have had no issue with is the one that determined the abuse. And they say it is not the first time. The people that are being banned for this aren't smart dudes with a calculator who are trying out a system. They are professionals, who go from book to book or stay at the same book creating new accounts until they get banned. Come back and see if we return your deposit next time. We have every tool in place to detect multiple accounts and hiding your IP behind a VPN isn't going to help.

No we aren't going to spend hours publishing every conversation we had. It has been 16 days and we have moved on from this. We aren't circus animals who perform for you at your command. We published the key points of your dishonesty. They don't prove that you are a cheater. But we do have that proof and if you would like to submit a 3rd party mediation, please do so and we will show them. If we showed you, it would just improve your cheating skills. But you said you proof of every conversation, so feel free to publish them yourself. Or was that another lie?

1 ) I have no objection to that.

2 ) I told you that too. But this is some ridicule answer come from my old site.I live in far far away from baseball countries.There is no way to bet LATE on baseball. You can bet on before very important moments ( betting before freekick or corner kick on football, betting before free throws on basketball ) but

3) As far as you understand after losing some amount of money people can easily lose counting the amount . Sorry about that , but its related to human psychology.

4) I lose very high amounts on money to baseball on that site.The site is no secret site called rot*bet.com .Using same provider as you. It is regional betting site but fair with payments at least. I am losing bettor for 6-7 months on that site. After putting high moneys and my luck turns out at some point I get nearly 75 percent of my lost money back on just 3 days. After that they put limits and continue let me play. I continue winning and after some point they closed account return my entire balance and do not let me bet.This is the proper way dealing with winning bettor.

5) AS I SAID ON MY EMAILS I WORK ON AIRLINE . I SEND PROOF OF THAT . Due that problem I cannot write you everyday.That's why I look this topic time to time. sorry about this if this causes problem on you.

6 ) If I make disrespected comment about you I am sorry about that.OFC you are not obliged to write conversations but I'm cool with that.

can you give me the name of "rot*bet.com"

thanks in advance!

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Quote from: PlayBetr on September 24, 2022, 03:31:54 AM

16 days later, he sees the topic falling and asks us to post this just to keep it going. We try to be as transparent as possible, in every situation, but now we are seeing why many other legitimate operations don't give these people the time of day.

Here is where you have lied:
1. No one on live chat ever told you not to worry. Live chat does not deal with security matters. Your first chat was about betback and lossback. Your second was on limits on baseball and you asked about the withdrawal and were told to fill a support ticket. Your 3rd was asking why your account was closed and being told to write an email.

2. In your email, you said you were accused of late betting. We told you right from the beginning that this was in relation to arbitrage. Were you also late betting?

3. When we told you we were returning the deposits, you said you had deposited between 11000 and 12000 USDT. You had deposited 7842 USDT.

4. In your emails, you said that you had bet on another site with our odds provider without issue and as a losing bettor. Then later you said you stopped betting with them due to limits. Why were them limiting you if there was no issue and you were losing?

All this proves, it that you are being deceitful and trying to say things to get us to decide in your favor, just like you have done in this accusation. But the same odds provider you mentioned that you have had no issue with is the one that determined the abuse. And they say it is not the first time. The people that are being banned for this aren't smart dudes with a calculator who are trying out a system. They are professionals, who go from book to book or stay at the same book creating new accounts until they get banned. Come back and see if we return your deposit next time. We have every tool in place to detect multiple accounts and hiding your IP behind a VPN isn't going to help.

No we aren't going to spend hours publishing every conversation we had. It has been 16 days and we have moved on from this. We aren't circus animals who perform for you at your command. We published the key points of your dishonesty. They don't prove that you are a cheater. But we do have that proof and if you would like to submit a 3rd party mediation, please do so and we will show them. If we showed you, it would just improve your cheating skills. But you said you proof of every conversation, so feel free to publish them yourself. Or was that another lie?

Quote from: PlayBetr on September 24, 2022, 03:31:54 AM

16 days later, he sees the topic falling and asks us to post this just to keep it going. We try to be as transparent as possible, in every situation, but now we are seeing why many other legitimate operations don't give these people the time of day.

Here is where you have lied:
1. No one on live chat ever told you not to worry. Live chat does not deal with security matters. Your first chat was about betback and lossback. Your second was on limits on baseball and you asked about the withdrawal and were told to fill a support ticket. Your 3rd was asking why your account was closed and being told to write an email.

2. In your email, you said you were accused of late betting. We told you right from the beginning that this was in relation to arbitrage. Were you also late betting?

3. When we told you we were returning the deposits, you said you had deposited between 11000 and 12000 USDT. You had deposited 7842 USDT.

4. In your emails, you said that you had bet on another site with our odds provider without issue and as a losing bettor. Then later you said you stopped betting with them due to limits. Why were them limiting you if there was no issue and you were losing?

All this proves, it that you are being deceitful and trying to say things to get us to decide in your favor, just like you have done in this accusation. But the same odds provider you mentioned that you have had no issue with is the one that determined the abuse. And they say it is not the first time. The people that are being banned for this aren't smart dudes with a calculator who are trying out a system. They are professionals, who go from book to book or stay at the same book creating new accounts until they get banned. Come back and see if we return your deposit next time. We have every tool in place to detect multiple accounts and hiding your IP behind a VPN isn't going to help.

No we aren't going to spend hours publishing every conversation we had. It has been 16 days and we have moved on from this. We aren't circus animals who perform for you at your command. We published the key points of your dishonesty. They don't prove that you are a cheater. But we do have that proof and if you would like to submit a 3rd party mediation, please do so and we will show them. If we showed you, it would just improve your cheating skills. But you said you proof of every conversation, so feel free to publish them yourself. Or was that another lie?

1 ) I have no objection to that.

2 ) I told you that too. But this is some ridicule answer come from my old site.I live in far far away from baseball countries.There is no way to bet LATE on baseball. You can bet on before very important moments ( betting before freekick or corner kick on football, betting before free throws on basketball ) but

3) As far as you understand after losing some amount of money people can easily lose counting the amount . Sorry about that , but its related to human psychology.

4) I lose very high amounts on money to baseball on that site.The site is no secret site called rot*bet.com .Using same provider as you. It is regional betting site but fair with payments at least. I am losing bettor for 6-7 months on that site. After putting high moneys and my luck turns out at some point I get nearly 75 percent of my lost money back on just 3 days. After that they put limits and continue let me play. I continue winning and after some point they closed account return my entire balance and do not let me bet.This is the proper way dealing with winning bettor.

5) AS I SAID ON MY EMAILS I WORK ON AIRLINE . I SEND PROOF OF THAT . Due that problem I cannot write you everyday.That's why I look this topic time to time. sorry about this if this causes problem on you.

6 ) If I make disrespected comment about you I am sorry about that.OFC you are not obliged to write conversations but I'm cool with that.

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16 days later, he sees the topic falling and asks us to post this just to keep it going. We try to be as transparent as possible, in every situation, but now we are seeing why many other legitimate operations don't give these people the time of day.

Here is where you have lied:
1. No one on live chat ever told you not to worry. Live chat does not deal with security matters. Your first chat was about betback and lossback. Your second was on limits on baseball and you asked about the withdrawal and were told to fill a support ticket. Your 3rd was asking why your account was closed and being told to write an email.

2. In your email, you said you were accused of late betting. We told you right from the beginning that this was in relation to arbitrage. Were you also late betting?

3. When we told you we were returning the deposits, you said you had deposited between 11000 and 12000 USDT. You had deposited 7842 USDT.

4. In your emails, you said that you had bet on another site with our odds provider without issue and as a losing bettor. Then later you said you stopped betting with them due to limits. Why were them limiting you if there was no issue and you were losing?

All this proves, it that you are being deceitful and trying to say things to get us to decide in your favor, just like you have done in this accusation. But the same odds provider you mentioned that you have had no issue with is the one that determined the abuse. And they say it is not the first time. The people that are being banned for this aren't smart dudes with a calculator who are trying out a system. They are professionals, who go from book to book or stay at the same book creating new accounts until they get banned. Come back and see if we return your deposit next time. We have every tool in place to detect multiple accounts and hiding your IP behind a VPN isn't going to help.

No we aren't going to spend hours publishing every conversation we had. It has been 16 days and we have moved on from this. We aren't circus animals who perform for you at your command. We published the key points of your dishonesty. They don't prove that you are a cheater. But we do have that proof and if you would like to submit a 3rd party mediation, please do so and we will show them. If we showed you, it would just improve your cheating skills. But you said you proof of every conversation, so feel free to publish them yourself. Or was that another lie?

megaege

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Quote from: PlayBetr on September 08, 2022, 02:25:52 PM

We are surprised to hear that this player wants to learn our "opinion about this situation". We were extremely diligent in communicating the details and replying immediately to all inquiries from this player. We strongly encourage the player to post all communication regarding this matter. With his permission, we will gladly post his chats and all email communication, as it gives a full picture of the things he has incorrectly stated, as well as his threats to go to this forum if we did not pay him.

At no point did any winnings or losses have any affect on the way his account was dealt with. The player was asked for KYC to verify his location, as he had login/logout activity from 9 countries, including the US and Ukraine, which are not permitted, per our terms of service. During this period, his account was fully open and available to login, play and request withdrawals, as normal. While this was taking place, we received a report from our odds provider's risk management team, informing us that the player had violated our terms of service by using arbitrage betting. At this point, the odds provider had no knowledge of our internal review on his location and we had no knowledge that he was being investigated for any wrongdoing.

Upon being informed of his violation of terms, the account was suspended and we explained to the player that he could receive his deposits back. He insisted that he was not doing this, so we asked the odds provider's risk team to have another look, in order to be 100% certain. This was escalated to their highest level of security and they once again determined that arbitrage took place and showed us which bets. At this time, we once again informed the player that we could not accept his action and that his bets had been resettled at a rate of 1:1 and we returned his deposits immediately. We have also offered to this player the opportunity to find a reputable 3rd party mediator and present his case. We will do the same and abide by their ruling.

Obviously, our reputation speaks for itself, and we have no interest in, nor would it make any sense for us to randomly take an honest player's winnings. Unfortunately, with the recent addition of the 2 BETA books, we have been hit hard by abusers, such as him, who are trying to take advantage of our innovation and desire to provide an exceptional gaming experience. Our biggest concern from this accusation is that other abusers will see that he received his deposits back and think they can freeroll us by doing the same and risking nothing. That is not the case. If fraud is detected and confirmed, we do have the right to seize the full account balance to compensate us for the added security and prevent future indiscretions. We have invested heavily in the highest level security tools available and have worked directly with other operators, as well as the odds providers, to detect and eliminate these types of abuse, which are a huge drain on our resources, which should be spent making great products.

Playbetr is growing rapidly and we are so excited to be able to offer players new exciting promotions and updates. Having 3 sportsbooks live at once can certainly be a chore, with regard to the many players who try and exploit or abuse it, but it is worth it to be able to provide a great experience for the majority of players, who are not looking to cheat! We can guarantee with 100% certainty that all legitimate play will be paid, as always, and we know the many Playbetr members of this community will testify to that, as well. Thanks and best of luck to all!

you have my true permission to publish private conversations and emails.AND also feel free to publish my personal info,job,the proof's I sent about it.

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the fact that you are stupid and simple is at your expense. that's why I'm a winning player because I'm literate. but there must also be idiots to have a balance Grin

https://igamingbusiness.com/legal-compliance/legal/anj-operators-may-not-limit-stakes-without-legitimate-reasons/
Ridiculous look at this. there are others but simple is simple. lose yourself and that's it. profits are for literate people

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Quote from: examplens on September 21, 2022, 05:13:54 AM

He ^LEVSKI7 is a troll (I have him on my ignore list). it's pointless to try anything to prove it to him. don't waste your time and energy unnecessarily.

I don't doubt what you are saying for a second. But it's still important to respond to his posts, so that others reading the threads he posts in don't think that what he says is the truth. His trust feedback says enough, but not everyone will go there and check it.

Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 21, 2022, 07:36:06 AM

There are already quite a few court decisions in which bookmakers were sentenced for player limits. Now some countries are making legislative changes to ban personal limits. In principle, according to the consumer protection law in Europe, the bookmaker has no right to impose a personal limit.

Instead of being a degenerate (like you are), you could have posted official sources that confirm the things that you said. That would have been the better way to go about things. Given that you have decided to use personal insults instead (you fucking inbred), it makes no sense to continue this discussion.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 21, 2022, 02:21:19 AM

Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 20, 2022, 04:38:32 PM

Legally, they cannot sanction arbitration.site rules have no legal value.

Arbitrage betting is sanctioned on traditional fiat bookies as well. Try it out and enjoy the new low limits on your betting accounts. Whether or not arbitrage bettors eventually get banned, I am not sure.

Sometimes it doesn't require much effort to recognize such bets. If your history shows wagers with usually round amounts and bets like $5, $10, $20 on popular sports and leagues, and then all of a sudden there is a change in style and you start betting on weird low leagues and dubious sports, you will give the operators reasons for doubt. A sudden bet of $87.94 in a long history of bets with clean and round numbers doesn't fit.

There are already quite a few court decisions in which bookmakers were sentenced for player limits. Now some countries are making legislative changes to ban personal limits. In principle, according to the consumer protection law in Europe, the bookmaker has no right to impose a personal limit. But at the moment, every literate player is limited.for morons like Pmalek this does not apply. loser is welcome anywhere.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 21, 2022, 02:21:19 AM

Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 20, 2022, 04:38:32 PM

Legally, they cannot sanction arbitration.site rules have no legal value.

Arbitrage betting is sanctioned on traditional fiat bookies as well. Try it out and enjoy the new low limits on your betting accounts. Whether or not arbitrage bettors eventually get banned, I am not sure.

He ^LEVSKI7 is a troll (I have him on my ignore list). it's pointless to try anything to prove it to him. don't waste your time and energy unnecessarily.

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Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 20, 2022, 04:38:32 PM

Legally, they cannot sanction arbitration.site rules have no legal value.

Arbitrage betting is sanctioned on traditional fiat bookies as well. Try it out and enjoy the new low limits on your betting accounts. Whether or not arbitrage bettors eventually get banned, I am not sure.

Sometimes it doesn't require much effort to recognize such bets. If your history shows wagers with usually round amounts and bets like $5, $10, $20 on popular sports and leagues, and then all of a sudden there is a change in style and you start betting on weird low leagues and dubious sports, you will give the operators reasons for doubt. A sudden bet of $87.94 in a long history of bets with clean and round numbers doesn't fit.

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Legally, they cannot sanction arbitration.site rules have no legal value.of course curacao sites are not subject to control and can do whatever they want

Pmalek

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Also, how do they even know he was arbitrage betting? Don't you need 2 different bookies to do so? How would they know?

If he made his arbitrage bets on PLAYBETR and found a way to do it profitably, there is no need for a second one. They could have been informed that he was taking advantage of arbitrage opportunities by their odds provider if the 2nd site uses the same odds provider.

Another thing, since PLAYBETR's representative posted in this thread and mentioned arbitraging, OP never refuted those claims.

Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 19, 2022, 12:49:39 PM

An arbitrage bet is a normal bet and you cannot be penalized for it.

PLAYBETR's casino, PLAYBETR's rules. Their TOS states it's against the rules and that's what counts no matter if people like it or not.

Quote from: megaege on September 20, 2022, 06:25:40 AM

I willingly accept that they can provide every evidence they got and every personal email conversation.

Please inform them you are ok with that and let's see what they do.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 16, 2022, 06:22:38 AM

Arbitrage betting not being allowed is also mentioned in their terms of service. It's stated that they can close your account and reject all payouts. If you have been found guilty to have submitted such bets, you don't have a case against the bookmaker.

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9.7 If the player is determined to be guilty of fraudulent actions including but not limited to: participating in any type of collusion with other players, late betting, match fixing, development of strategies aimed at unfaithful winnings, arbitrage betting, use of forking services, use of surebet or valuebet services, fraudulent actions against other online casinos or payment providers, chargeback procedures with a credit card or denial of some payments made, other types of cheating, providing incorrect information about personal data during registration or is known to have gone bankrupt in the country of his residence, the Company reserves the right to terminate the user account and suspend all payouts to the player.

https://www.playbetr.com/terms

PlayBetr can post all the proof they have against you. Since you haven't posted any evidence yourself, do you agree and do you allow them to do that?

I willingly accept that they can provide every evidence they got and every personal email conversation.

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Which are the countries in which with a license from Curacao gambling sites are legal and not illegal Huh

the rules of the sites have no legal value, and this for arbitration is a fraudulent practice of some sites

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Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 19, 2022, 12:49:39 PM

An arbitrage bet is a normal bet and you cannot be penalized for it.

Some casino definitely do not allow this kind of betting. The best way to avoid getting caught up in the fiasco is by first reading through their terms of service.

Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 19, 2022, 12:49:39 PM

and more .licensed from curacao this site is illegal for every country.how are they going to determine which countries are allowed when they themselves are doing illegal activity Grin

Are you trying to say gambling is illegal in all countries? I don't think so.

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An arbitrage bet is a normal bet and you cannot be penalized for it.and more .licensed from curacao this site is illegal for every country.how are they going to determine which countries are allowed when they themselves are doing illegal activity Grin

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Quote from: Daltonik on September 17, 2022, 07:00:38 AM

The situation when an online casino user does everything to get into the field of view of the security service, after which he receives his entire deposit back and at the same time believes that he was deceived, the position of mirror fomo, where the user, instead of blaming himself, is looking for the guilty outside, while not providing the promised documentary evidence.

Of course the players has been deceived.

They only do this because he won. If he would have lost his bets there would be no problem and he would be welcome to deposit more. After all he risked his money on their site. Basically now he risked thousands to get breakeven or lose, is that fair?

Also, how do they even know he was arbitrage betting? Don't you need 2 different bookies to do so? How would they know?

Sounds very sketchy.

Here, apparently, there is an opportunity to arbitrage on playbetr, otherwise how would they have found out about the user's bets from other bookmakers and here the question is whether they did it intentionally or it's just a bug that the user had to report to support, but he decided to take advantage of it.

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The situation when an online casino user does everything to get into the field of view of the security service, after which he receives his entire deposit back and at the same time believes that he was deceived, the position of mirror fomo, where the user, instead of blaming himself, is looking for the guilty outside, while not providing the promised documentary evidence.

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Quote from: megaege on September 15, 2022, 05:12:57 PM

My country is not restricted. I use vpn , I ask live support about vpn they cleared.In every conversation I accept that im using vpn too.

If your Country is not restricted. Then why did you use VPN in the first place? What is worse is you used IP addresses from restricted locations like the US and Ukraine. What were you trying to achieve by doing that?

I don't blame the for requesting verification because clearly, what you did was not necessary

Secondly, why don't you do as requested by PlayBetr?

Quote from: PlayBetr on September 08, 2022, 02:25:52 PM

We are surprised to hear that this player wants to learn our "opinion about this situation". We were extremely diligent in communicating the details and replying immediately to all inquiries from this player. We strongly encourage the player to post all communication regarding this matter. With his permission, we will gladly post his chats and all email communication, as it gives a full picture of the things he has incorrectly stated, as well as his threats to go to this forum if we did not pay him.

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Arbitrage betting not being allowed is also mentioned in their terms of service. It's stated that they can close your account and reject all payouts. If you have been found guilty to have submitted such bets, you don't have a case against the bookmaker.

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9.7 If the player is determined to be guilty of fraudulent actions including but not limited to: participating in any type of collusion with other players, late betting, match fixing, development of strategies aimed at unfaithful winnings, arbitrage betting, use of forking services, use of surebet or valuebet services, fraudulent actions against other online casinos or payment providers, chargeback procedures with a credit card or denial of some payments made, other types of cheating, providing incorrect information about personal data during registration or is known to have gone bankrupt in the country of his residence, the Company reserves the right to terminate the user account and suspend all payouts to the player.

https://www.playbetr.com/terms

PlayBetr can post all the proof they have against you. Since you haven't posted any evidence yourself, do you agree and do you allow them to do that?

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Yes, but the representative of Playbetr says that you are not accused of using a vpn, but of making arbitrage bets, the vpn was just an excuse to demand KYC from you, wasn't it. And you still do not provide any evidence on your part, because all your deposits were returned to you, so the casino acted loyally towards you.

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