Topic: Player Vs Player Betting Game. Will you be interested to participate? (Read 611 times)

Your post doesn't makes any sense.
The post you made its just because for your post count for the sake of your sig. campaign.

As you can quote a specific part of the conversation then I think you can also read the necessary.
Please read out all the posts & replies when you make a post. The reply for your post has been replied to someone else concern, already.

Locking the thread now to prevent further spam.


@Darkstar
Thank you for your reply regarding the awareness of the third party site.
Sometimes ago I checked their terms but I didn't seen anything objectionable. But I will read out again to double confirm the issue.

And I am sorry if you got hurt for my replies earlier. I didn't meant anything to hurt you.
I was just trying to say the real fact, that if I had more deals documented then I think no one would shown any concern about the trust. THAT'S ALL!.

Being only active in the discussion forums never prove you to be trustworthy .It really does not make any difference that whether you have joined since last 5 years or 15 years.

All that matters is how much you have learnt and practically applied in terms of trading, investment and currency exchanges so as to earn at least some of bitcoins. In simple words you can only qualify for player VS player betting when you are worth it.

I want to organize a contest like this, Actually, this is a good idea. I suggest to OP to launch a tournament of team fight game like DOTA2, LOL or CSGO that used bitcoin as bet. I know that there are existing e-sports betting but to bet on your own game is a bit new.

Read the site/game's terms of service. It should be fine, and doesn't have to be betting but rather paying to participate as a participation fee in a tournament with a prize pool. Games will obviously vary, but it shouldn't be a problem and they definitely won't pursue you legally if they don't allow it and somehow find out.


Why can't you? Yes, they have large volumes, but they have risk. You don't. The game has a Return to Player of less than 100%, giving it a house edge to the player. The player needs to overcome the house edge with skill to make a profit.

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Also, I'm not attacking you. I pointed out that being active doesn't necessarily make you trustworthy, and suggested that the fee was too high. You started talking about me out of the blue.

I just don't understand what is the reason of all this. You are just humiliating me for nothing.
The way you are acting that I am a well known scammer and you are just trying to protect the community from me.

I must agree that you are very best at attacking people for no reason. CONGRATULATION!


Exactly, it is much easier to make brackets to humiliate someone as it you are doing all the way till now. You are intentionally skipping my good points and capturing the bad points to attack me. Lets see my good & bad points and how do you approached to attack me.


My reply with your concern about the fee (ref - your first post)

You skipped my good point where I appreciated your advice and told you that I will think twice to set a fair value for my fee. That was my good point.
But you captured the bad point to attack me where I said "Will you manage a sig. campaign without a fee?"

In my reply I didn't said that your task is very easy to manage (Sig. Campaign). I know it is a very hard task for every managers.
And that's why the fees are also very high for managing sig. campaign. If managing campaign was easy than the fees would be much lower?
I am just trying to say, you wouldn't manage anything without a fee. Instead you will charge a fee according to the task difficulty.
So if you calculate and compare my fee with any sig. campaign manager's fee, then you will find my fee is low as it is less difficult to manage the game than sig. campaign.

Regarding your house edge concept,
You just cannot compare a casino and a manual game managing with house edge.
In a casino they get 1000s of players daily, and 1000s & 1000s of bets played daily and that makes them to take lower fees (If I am not wrong).
But in my case, I will organize the game with just 20/24/32 players daily. And hopefully I won't be able to organize more than 20 games a month (It will vary time to time and of course of community response).

You are calculating the fee in percentage but I have calculated the fee as whole figure and will charge every player.
Lets say if I set the entry fee BTC0.002 + my fee BTC0.0002 = BTC0.0022. So if you calculate the house edge now, it is coming 10%
But if you calculate with BTC0.01 + my fee BTC0.0002 = BTC0.0102, it is coming 2%
At the beginning my intention was to set entry fee at BTC0.01, but some members asked to lower it at the beginning.

In my game players don't need to fight for the house edge, it is more essential to fight for the prizes. The prizes are very handsome, if they win they wins a lot.

The problem is you are comparing a different game model with casino & dice sites.

Finally you should not concern about the fee, it is totally up to me and it is my personal decision. But your suggestion was appreciated.


Regarding your BTC0.001 thrown away,
If I am not wrong, the puzzle you organized at 29th August 2016 and thrown away BTC0.001
According to Bitfinex rate, at that date bitcoin price was $574. So you just thrown away $0.574 = BTC0.001
The puzzle you organized was not a game to charge fee for, it was just one time game play you organized and it was more likely a giveaway. In other sense, you organized the puzzle because you were bored.


That is what I meant and wrote it.


Don't tell lie! You really cared about the money. If not, you wouldn't thrown away your wallet addy for payment just by providing a solution "USE BCC".
If I were you, I wouldn't charged you or anyone else for this solution. You really cared about $5 = BTC0.00826705.

Regarding trust,
Your concern about the trust of me is total bullshit. Your posts about the trust has no value.
Why you are writing same thing again & again which has no value? You should read all the posts before you post something about.
The thread is not yet big enough that you need 100s of pages to read. I even quoted almost all the answers in op for members ease. Where I also wrote about the escrow.

You are running a big campaign that's why you held BTC3 in escrow.
I also said, I will escrow the fund before I even announce the game. So why you are questioning about the trust?

See, you also need to escrow the fund even you have more trust ratings than me. Does it means community members are concern about your trust also?
You and me, not that much difference.


Don't get me wrong, I am just saying on the base of your statement.

You can also be like master-p..
Developing your trust, the amount is increasing day by day on you. And suddenly you disappeared.

P.s.: I don't know about master-p and what was his crimes. I just assumed that he was a trusted member in our community and suddenly ran away with BTC20.

Still I will say amount is not a concern for a scammer. A scammer looks for a successful scam.

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No More Arguments! Time will speak up about me.
You post, I post... the argument will never end.
I am not here to make enemies, I am here to make friends and I believe in good relationships.

I won't be replying on your posts anymore on this particular thread.

I will lock this thread when I will get my answer > But my biggest concern is something different, that, will it be legal to organize a betting game in a third party site without their awareness?

Thank you for everything.

It's a lot easier to make a bracket, or whatever format you want, and basically record who wins than to run a signature campaign. I guess it depends on the type of game on difficulty to ref it, but I'd assume most games would log stats online and have an anti cheat? I did run a lottery based on block hashes where I threw 0.001BTC into the pot instead of taking a fee in the past.

Yes, I read that it is skill based. But still, even with skill, fighting a 5% edge would be annoying and it may be more worth it to play a luck based than to practice to beat that edge. A reasonable fee for me if I was participating would be around 1%, so it is on par with the edge of luck based games. Not sure if you would consider that worth it though.


True. I was expressing my own opinion on that matter.



You paid 5$, and it was an easy solution that didn't take much time to post so I didn't really care if I went first or not. I do trust you for 5$, but that doesn't mean I'd trust you with 1500$. For the campaign I'm running, I've held upwards of 3 BTC in escrow. Regardless, this isn't about me.



The amount does matter. Remember master-p and his scamming? He had the chance to scam for multiples of BTC, but didn't until he held over 20BTC from what I remember.

This is something similar to the picking of lot. We pay for each lot that holds our name. Finally when picked the user gets the majority share and the rest gets the remaining distributed. This seems to be a good plan, but at execution level this will not gain more trust, because the owner himself can create profile and spend the particular amount and get the first prize.

I already saw many websites like this, the house just like the escrow to hold the money and take the edge, they let player vs player in the bet. It's from dota 2 and csgo website.

You would need to have a very low fee (or even no fee) for it to be worth it to participate imo. The game that is played might be skill based, but using your example fee, it would have a RTP of 95% making a house edge of 5%. Aside from sportsbetting, I would almost never play a game with a 5% edge as it's just too high when I could be playing dice with a house edge of 0.5%. Your game may be skill based, but it still wouldn't be worth it for me to practice with an edge of 5%.


Being active doesn't make you more trustworthy, especially not for over 1500 USD. There's a lot of people who have been here for over 2 years that have been active that I wouldn't trust with even 0.05BTC.

There are already gambling games that are PVP like that rock paper scissors game, whose name escapes me and can't really remember but it's in the gambling section. Not so sure though if they have a lot of player base but I think you would be able to play with a some players there with no problems. Maybe I'll edit this post once I see it later.

I am interesting if your site if there is no scam. Now a day the people afraid of the fraud and scams because nobody wants to lose their hard earning money easily and the scammers took all their money in few seconds. Therefore if you guarantee your site then I will surely participate in your game.

I like gambling and I have made sound money with gambling and will continue this till I overcome all my dreams and needs in the near future.

Interesting idea, but it would be really easy for you to fake results or such. I'm sure people would be more interested in this "game" if you would reveal info about this game or just tell rest of the rules.

Also, if you will find needed amount of players,you should think of a escrow.

Of course I will be interested if your site if it is not fake and will be an authentic site. Now a day the people afraid of the fraud and scams because nobody wants to lose their hard earning money easily and the scammers took all their money in few seconds.

Therefore if you guarantee your site then I will surely participate in your game. I like gambling. I have won a lot of money with gambling. I am fond of gambling.

So far 14 votes has been made by voters.
Among 14, 6 are on "YES" / 6 are on "TRUST MATTERS" and 2 are on "NO"
It means, the voting is on positive side and majority of the community members want to taste a new concept.

Half of the members who voted on "Trust Matters" are concerned about me but they are interested on the game.
I am a member of this forum since Feb, 2016 and it is almost 2 years. And I'm a very active/regular member of this forum.
I agree I have not made much trades/transactions to prove myself. But it doesn't mean at all, that I'm dishonest.

So those who are concerned about me regarding trust, I think this can be solve by an escrow, isn't it?
If I start this game then I will escrow the total entry fee of participants and my fees to an escrow before I announce the game.
Later, when participants will join the game will be able to send me the entry fee directly. And if I cheat you guys then the escrow can pay you back.

The game, I'm thinking, can be played in different format.
A knock-out phase format / team vs team format / survival format

The entry fee and my fee which I have mentioned in op was just an example.
If I start the game then I will consider to start with low entry fee, so that players can get used to the game and the rules and for more player participation.

Those who are thinking that I will develop a pvp site for this game are very much wrong and didn't read previous posts.
I have clearly mentioned that the game will be organize in a third party site. The game is very well known to the world and I think most of you already know about it.
I am keeping the game secret because I don't want people to take away my idea and start the game by their own. But my thinking can be wrong. So if you guys think that it is okay to mention about the game herein then I will mention the game for everyone.

Regarding the referee issue.
Referee / game manager is required to handle the announcement thread, participation fee, prize distribution, game rules follow up etc etc. 

So far all the posts which are made by community members, I think can be solve to start the game.
But my biggest concern is something different, that, will it be legal to organize a betting game in a third party site without their awareness?

I hope this post will help you to decide the vote you will choose.

yeah we might could consider 1 or 2 mbtc as lost even the games not started yet and it wouldn't be a big deal for anyone i guess. trust always matters , a new game with strange operator , i wouldn't risk my money but for 1 or 2 mbtc i guess it's worth for the neg trust if the event didn't run as planned and messed up . however i always waiting for blackjack PvP game , just saying ....

Good luck to all those who are going to participate but not me because if there is one thing i dislike is knowing that i lost my money to someone personally who will be using it for things i wish i could use it for.

There are existing crypto platforms like https://www.onehash.com which utilize a similar PvP format in sports betting.

Over the years I've seen many sites like the one you're proposing monetized in both fiat and crypto. Many were established and then shut down years ago. Some allowed betting on topics like election results and who would win the next WWE wrestling event. Others allowed users to create their own terms for bets which could be literally anything.

At the top of the food chain are large websites like fanduel and draftkings which accept millions of dollars in deposits and are known for big pay days. There were crypto based sites which were similar that shut down.

I think you would need to post more information before I could say whether I would be interested.

I will be definitely interested if your site is authentic and there is no scam. Now a day the people afraid of the fraud and scams because nobody wants to lose their hard earning money easily and the scammers took all their money in few seconds. Therefore if you guarantee your site then I will surely participate in your game. I like gambling and I have sound money with gambling and will continue this.

PvP betting games looks interesting for me at least we will decrease the risk of cheat casinos and last time i was playing games PvP is poker game but if you have other game i would like to participate but indeed people right that to playing PvP game your site must have high of traffic and i think this is required