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Quote from: shadobitz on July 14, 2016, 08:45:56 AM

For me it nothing more than gambling, I play poker to make profit but it is very nice way to have fun online, some people say it is skill based game on only few players can make very good profit with very low risk factor, but I am pretty sure playing poker is just another form of gambling.

thinking it needs to be one or the other. It is a skill based form of gambling.

It takes skill to know when to bet, fold, raise, etc. the gambling part is that the results are still determined based on the turn of a card.

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Quote from: hermanhs09 on July 10, 2016, 10:27:02 AM

I actually mean playing poker professionally,like taking part in tournament's,etc.
Do you think that it is considered all across the world as gambling?

I suppose so. Wikipedia says poker is a gambling thing

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I am also taking poker to do gamble, I have very simple definition of gambling where we put our money it is gambling, I also like to spend my time on poker sites because it is fun but not easy to beat other experienced players, I am just learning more and more about this at the moment.

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For me it nothing more than gambling, I play poker to make profit but it is very nice way to have fun online, some people say it is skill based game on only few players can make very good profit with very low risk factor, but I am pretty sure playing poker is just another form of gambling.

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Quote from: JasonXG on July 14, 2016, 03:59:04 AM

To people who say it's gambling....
Oh ok so do we have professional slot and dice tournaments ?
Why do you think that is ? Poker have professional players and it's a sport and on TV and sanctioned and everything. Are slots sanctioned ? Are slots on TV ? Would you pay to watch someone play slots ? No, but you pay to watch poker. If poker were gambling there would be no professionals.

So if you think poker is like gambling then go play against professionals , since its gambling and luck it won't matter who you play against.

Omg some peoples logic outstounds me ! Huh

What does being professional have to do with it?

There are professional poker players, professional sports bettors, professional horse bettors, etc. They are all still gambling.

noun
1.
the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.
2.
the act or practice of risking the loss of something important by taking a chance or acting recklessly:

How does poker not fall into that definition? If you find a poker player that never puts money into the pot when they have a chance of losing, you can say they aren't gambling. But since poker is designed to make that impossible, they are gambling.

If being able to do something makes something not gambling, nothing is gambling because casino owners make all of their money by winning bets. if playing poker isn't gambling, neither is playing blackjack as the house, and that certainly doesn't make sense.

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If they have to pay money to enter the tournament then of course it is gambling. I don't understand how it couldn't be. I just looked up the term "gamble" and it says "play games of chance for money; bet." It doesn't matter if they are doing it professionally for a job, they are still playing a game of chance for money.

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Quote from: minime0105 on July 14, 2016, 05:41:37 AM

Quote from: adaseb on July 12, 2016, 06:00:56 PM

It is considered gambling only if you are gambling money. There are many different versions of Poker. For example "Strip Poker" which means instead of losing money, you lose your clothes.

Though i think, gambling is not all about money, i think it is about winning or losing something, regardless of the bet, fighting or looking forward for an outcome with certain chance is gambling. hehe.. Cool

I don't agree with you do you think if you are playing basketball and you will win or lose do you call it gambling?
For no its a sports that there is win and lose..
Gambling is always involve money to bet that's why we called it gambling..

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Quote from: btcdevil on July 13, 2016, 10:21:01 AM

I think it is as their is money involved without any product dealing you are earning or losing it , so whether you are playing with invested or playing freeroll, it will be considered as gambling activity.

a regular or professional poker players are considered as more than gabling it's a carier due they earn money through this activity for years , for us who only occasionally play poker i think it's what called as gambling. we have no experience and no knowledge to play poker, just bet and waiting for the outcome , rely on luck.

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Quote from: adaseb on July 12, 2016, 06:00:56 PM

It is considered gambling only if you are gambling money. There are many different versions of Poker. For example "Strip Poker" which means instead of losing money, you lose your clothes.

Though i think, gambling is not all about money, i think it is about winning or losing something, regardless of the bet, fighting or looking forward for an outcome with certain chance is gambling. hehe.. Cool

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To people who say it's gambling....
Oh ok so do we have professional slot and dice tournaments ?
Why do you think that is ? Poker have professional players and it's a sport and on TV and sanctioned and everything. Are slots sanctioned ? Are slots on TV ? Would you pay to watch someone play slots ? No, but you pay to watch poker. If poker were gambling there would be no professionals.

So if you think poker is like gambling then go play against professionals , since its gambling and luck it won't matter who you play against.

Omg some peoples logic outstounds me ! Huh

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Poker is a gambling activity but when you play at professional level then you can also say that it is somewhat of a sport even tho you are sitting on your ass all day.
If they can consider chess a sport then poker should also be called a sport.

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I think it is as their is money involved without any product dealing you are earning or losing it , so whether you are playing with invested or playing freeroll, it will be considered as gambling activity.

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Gamble: to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes. 2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice. verb (used with object), gambled, gambling.

You are playing for the chance to win money or anything else, you are risking anything of value (bitcoin) and the outcome involves chance.
All around the world poker is played with this limits, where I am from we play straight up cash, or even bottles of liquor, vehicles, etc.

To play professionally, well you need talent and practice, reading other people, knowing percentages, when to raise, etc or even something as simple of knowing you have the nuts.

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Quote from: hermanhs09 on July 10, 2016, 10:27:02 AM

I actually mean playing poker professionally,like taking part in tournament's,etc.
Do you think that it is considered all across the world as gambling?

for me yes because you are aiming to win and their always a money pot from those tournament so we can still consider it as gambling.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on July 12, 2016, 03:00:21 PM

Basically we first we should consider the grounds on how things are really considered as gambling. If we just use a dictionary, we can tell that everything here on earth are gamble. But we need to take it in to a deeper analysis. There are grounds where poker are considered gambling when " luck was the predominant element. In case like tournament where every one is given a fair chance and not merely base on luck and chance, this is more likely a game of skill.

first of all not every thing in this world is a gamble, do you know why we have calculation formula?
it is to know what will the outcome be, once you know the outcome it is not a gamble anymore.
second, you're saying that in a normal poker game is based on luck and the tournament is based
on skills right? this element that you are talking about is needed in both tournament or normal poker
game there is no predominant element in this game the only difference is that how people/professional poker
player treat a normal poker game and the tournament poker game.

You are wrong on this because what i know that everything in this world is sure gambling to achieve something, like in gambling games you need to gamble to get some profit and on work you need it to get some promotion so you need it to get something different. Although you can calculate it doesnt mean that you can predict what is the outcome because there is still house edge that will lessen your winning chanc

i suggest you read the post above you, i explained the reason why everything in this world not a gambling, sure gambling is
a gamble you cant take that out but, but you are talking about the world which consist everything in this planet, it is impossible that everything in this world is a gamble. i'll give you a simple equation 1+1=2, this simple is very simple yet can be applied on everything that can be calculated it may not always be right but with enough knowledge you can come up with the right answer and expelling the gambling over it.

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According to oxford dictionary,
Gamble: Play games of chance for money; bet:

So no matter which game you play(poker or others) and how you play(professionally or just for fun), if you put money on the line on an event with uncertain outcome, it's gambling.

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Quote from: hermanhs09 on July 10, 2016, 10:27:02 AM

I actually mean playing poker professionally,like taking part in tournament's,etc.
Do you think that it is considered all across the world as gambling?

Yes, i think it's include on gambling, because you also risk your money on that table and it also can be called as a job, because many pro players out there can earn much money from poker.

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Quote from: Adriandmen on July 10, 2016, 10:31:37 AM

Partially yes.

For example, bluffing is taking a huge gamble. The main difference between professional poker and poker on the internet would probably be reading the cards of the opponents, doing the right betting strategy, et cetera. It it also a psychological game, which takes a lot of time and effort to master.

As long as you cannot predict the outcome, it's a gamble.

Well poker is not just a game based purely on luck. That is why if you can master how to bluff and expose people, you will be able to win a lot in poker. There is already a lot of famous world examples that lives purely on pokers.

I was asking this question in this topic,because i wanted to know what do people involed in bitcoin think about playing poker for money.
I think it is a job also,because if you a successful player who can really play good poker,then it is possible to make a decent income out of it.
I also think that it is very hard to play poker for a living,you need to be pretty much insane in this game,at least that is my theory Cheesy

All of that can be true and it can still be gambling.

Casino owners make their living via gambling. they are gambling every time they or their employees spin a roulette wheel or deal a blackjack hand.

With poker (and running a casino) it is possible to make "good" bets, and then it's possible to be both a viable "job" and still be gambling.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on July 12, 2016, 03:00:21 PM

Basically we first we should consider the grounds on how things are really considered as gambling. If we just use a dictionary, we can tell that everything here on earth are gamble. But we need to take it in to a deeper analysis. There are grounds where poker are considered gambling when " luck was the predominant element. In case like tournament where every one is given a fair chance and not merely base on luck and chance, this is more likely a game of skill.

first of all not every thing in this world is a gamble, do you know why we have calculation formula?
it is to know what will the outcome be, once you know the outcome it is not a gamble anymore.
second, you're saying that in a normal poker game is based on luck and the tournament is based
on skills right? this element that you are talking about is needed in both tournament or normal poker
game there is no predominant element in this game the only difference is that how people/professional poker
player treat a normal poker game and the tournament poker game.

You are wrong on this because what i know that everything in this world is sure gambling to achieve something, like in gambling games you need to gamble to get some profit and on work you need it to get some promotion so you need it to get something different. Although you can calculate it doesnt mean that you can predict what is the outcome because there is still house edge that will lessen your winning chanc

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Quote from: lionheart78 on July 12, 2016, 04:00:39 PM

Quote from: neochiny on July 12, 2016, 03:20:20 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on July 12, 2016, 03:00:21 PM

Basically we first we should consider the grounds on how things are really considered as gambling. If we just use a dictionary, we can tell that everything here on earth are gamble. But we need to take it in to a deeper analysis. There are grounds where poker are considered gambling when " luck was the predominant element. In case like tournament where every one is given a fair chance and not merely base on luck and chance, this is more likely a game of skill.

first of all not every thing in this world is a gamble, do you know why we have calculation formula?
it is to know what will the outcome be, once you know the outcome it is not a gamble anymore.
second, you're saying that in a normal poker game is based on luck and the tournament is based
on skills right? this element that you are talking about is needed in both tournament or normal poker
game there is no predominant element in this game the only difference is that how people/professional poker
player treat a normal poker game and the tournament poker game.

Well the calculation formula as far as i know is for risk management. There are always variable factor that may affect the outcome of your so called result in the calculation. You may argue on this but that is the fact. Using calculation formula has risk itself Cheesy

because it is not 100% reliable. It is a gamble to use that calculation but we do because it mitigate or limit the risk we have to face. as for the normal and tournament i agree that both are the same but in some instance, one player has little knowledge about the game and face with veteran (normal play) that is a gamble on that players part Cheesy

Sure calculation is not 100% reliable, Sure using a calculation has its risk but a simple 1+1=2 is a fact that it can give a right outcome and breaking the risk that we have to take its not just limiting the risk we have to take but it can completely remove it Cheesy

. now that you clarify between an amateur player and a professional player, an amateur player do need a little bit of luck Cheesy

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