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Quote from: decodx on August 12, 2023, 09:44:34 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 12, 2023, 07:36:11 AM

Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic.
Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played.
There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP.

Does "provably fair" apply to slot games too? I'm not entirely sure, and I don't have much experience with slots. I also don't know how many game providers actually offer provably fair games. I'm not talking about their internal controls and licenses, but a genuinely cryptographic provably fair mechanism, similar to what we have on dice or crash games, for example.

It does but not many, for provably fair slot list you can find some information here
Slots 102: The Provably Fair Slots (with poll)
At least there is one 3rd party provider with provably fair system if we look at the above thread, namely BGAMING and it is available in many casinos.
Most other provably fair slot games are mostly original games created by the casino such as Stake, Bitsler, Crypto.games, etc.
However I do not think that these provably fair system is popular enough compared to those probably fair.

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Quote from: UserU on August 13, 2023, 02:30:21 AM

Having played on a site that often dispenses those free plays, those massive wins do happen especially with them bonus buys.

Yes, because that's a marketing technique used by casinos when giving free games and you win easily, even buying bonuses, you won't be able to withdraw the winnings, free money before you play and fulfill the betting requirements there, there is no free money, so you still have to make a deposit. , I often receive free money to try the game in the end I have to make a deposit too.

So that's why I don't really like slot games, if there are casino games I prefer to play poker games moreover there are some casinos that provide freerolls tournaments and it's really free without spending money you can even withdraw money easily, there's no free money from the game slots believe slots are only for people who have a lot of money and are rich. a game that expects luck is difficult to win. Wink

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Quote from: Nrcewker on August 12, 2023, 11:42:31 PM

I don’t think this happens. The user experience and luck factor is same whether you play in demo mode or with real money. The main purpose of the demo or resting mode was to test the games and check it rules before playing it. So I don’t think any slot provider does this unfair play in switching between the modes. OP if you have played in the same style with real money, then definitely you would have made those many profits in real. In demo mode you get more confidence as you don’t have anything to lose, hence make good profits.

There's no such playing with the same style and being confidence in order to win in gambling.

You can try it by yourself to gamble in a same site using both demo account and real account, you will get a different result. Don't use any such style, just gamble with a same amount over and over, being confidence in both accounts.

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Having played on a site that often dispenses those free plays, those massive wins do happen especially with them bonus buys.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on July 31, 2023, 03:17:25 PM

I didn't even know about that.
Isn't changing the user experience in demo mode cheating? You're promising the client a different thing from the one he'll get when he deposits money.

I don’t think this happens. The user experience and luck factor is same whether you play in demo mode or with real money. The main purpose of the demo or resting mode was to test the games and check it rules before playing it. So I don’t think any slot provider does this unfair play in switching between the modes. OP if you have played in the same style with real money, then definitely you would have made those many profits in real. In demo mode you get more confidence as you don’t have anything to lose, hence make good profits.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 12, 2023, 03:29:45 AM

I find demo modes to be very useful, not only for gambling but in everything, like if you are playing a video game for the first time, you go through the demos to learn the keys and other stuff, similarly, in gambling, a demo mode let's you explore the gameplay before you get involved with the real mode.

Because demo mode is designed to allow gamblers to enjoy gambling and the results are purely manipulative. That is why what we often see is winnings, not losses because this will encourage gamblers and would think that they can do like this or even better when gambling in real. Unfortunately, it was too different and the design isn't like that as it was more intense doing actual rather than playing fake money or just free tokens. However, we could still apply the learning that we have using a demo account and this could help as well.

Agreed, players who like to play demo mode should take it as a tool to know how the slot works, what features are there, and any other information only.
Players should not be attracted to play the slot with real money because of the results they get while trying the demo mode.
Or players should not hope too much that the result in demo mode will also come in the real mode.
It does not mean that it is impossible, it is possible but the chance can be said that winning in real mode is lower than in demo mode.

For a fair platform and provider then it would really be just the same if we do speak about the odds and it would really be not that ethical if they would really be deciding on altering out those winning probabilities or

chances in between demo and live games when a particular player would really be deciding on playing it out.It is really just that risky on their part if they would really be proven out by someone but since these are things which cant really be checked out internally except them then it is really hard to make out some accusation or telling out something that they are tweaking things in between slot games in demo version and to those slots who are that playing with live bets or real money. It is true that people shouldn't really get easily hooked up by something like this which if they do see that they are profitable with demo
doesnt mean that they would really be doing the same on real money.

Come to think that we do have big or huge amounts or unlimited funds on demo on which if you are trying out to mimic out or copy then it cant be just that possible.For sure you wont really be able
to make those huge base bets whenever you do go decide on having that live betting.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on August 03, 2023, 06:46:10 AM

There are two purposes for a demo game. One is to entice you to play the live game. The other is to give you experience of the bonus features. It may take a thousand spins to trigger a top bonus, and most free game players would have become bored before that. If they give it to you within 10 plays, then you can see how it works, and the potential payout. This should improve player retention in the live game, and give the casino more chance to make a profit.

I agree with you buddy! The demo accounts are mostly made to attract players because during the demo gameplay the players will understand the casino and its games way better than they would if they spend real money on a casino. I believe that 10 plays in a demo account are more than enough to show players that what are their chances of getting winning bets if they play actual bets on that site later on. Most of the players will try to deposit money if their demo gameplay went well, and the ones who didn't get good winning on a demo account may somehow give up on such casinos.

I know that there can be some shady things happening on casinos that want players to win during the demo version and when they go with actual money then the scenario will be totally different, but the good and honest casinos would never do something like that only to attract new gamblers on their site. Because such type of business will end up as failures and the ones who want to have their business for long term would do fair setup on both demo and live accounts.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 12, 2023, 10:01:09 AM

Quote from: decodx on August 12, 2023, 09:44:34 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 12, 2023, 07:36:11 AM

Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic.
Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played.
There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP.

Does "provably fair" apply to slot games too? I'm not entirely sure, and I don't have much experience with slots. I also don't know how many game providers actually offer provably fair games. I'm not talking about their internal controls and licenses, but a genuinely cryptographic provably fair mechanism, similar to what we have on dice or crash games, for example.

3rd party slot provider slots doesn’t support probably fair because most of them use RNG for the result. Slot provider only get a RNG certificate which they are using to prove that their games is probably fair but still it's still need trust since we can't check the fairness by ourselves.

Slot games has a close source code. AFAIkK, some casino offers slot game on there house that offers real probably fair game. I forgot about the casino but I think it's from a web3 casino.

That's exactly what I meant. Although game providers have certificates that their games are fair, we still have to take their word for it. Also, we don't know if it is possible for casinos to manipulate the games from their side, for example not to use the original but pirated (modified) versions of the games. I think I read somewhere about such cases.

By the way, you keep using the word "probably" incorrectly.

probably : insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubt
provably : in a way that can be proved

Therefore, while we can conclude that the majority of Slot games are probably fair, this doesn't necessarily mean that they are provably fair. Cheesy

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 12, 2023, 03:29:45 AM

I find demo modes to be very useful, not only for gambling but in everything, like if you are playing a video game for the first time, you go through the demos to learn the keys and other stuff, similarly, in gambling, a demo mode let's you explore the gameplay before you get involved with the real mode.

Demo version are easier to complete in the video games, when you're trading, demo version are easier to complete too so demon version is also easier to play in slots games and they don't give you the real experience like playing slots game in live casino that you have to wager.

When you're playing in demo version, you won't be at risk of losing your money therefore you can make decisions that it'll be very hard for you to make when you're playing live. There's tension in live games and all this contribute to why people are losing in live games.

Instead of using demo version to learn or play in the casino, play live with very small wager to gain the experience directly from the live games but you have to be ready to lose. You'll learn better when you play with live games and it'll make you familiar with the games before you stake high.

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Quote from: decodx on August 12, 2023, 09:44:34 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 12, 2023, 07:36:11 AM

Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic.
Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played.
There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP.

Does "provably fair" apply to slot games too? I'm not entirely sure, and I don't have much experience with slots. I also don't know how many game providers actually offer provably fair games. I'm not talking about their internal controls and licenses, but a genuinely cryptographic provably fair mechanism, similar to what we have on dice or crash games, for example.

3rd party slot provider slots doesn’t support probably fair because most of them use RNG for the result. Slot provider only get a RNG certificate which they are using to prove that their games is probably fair but still it's still need trust since we can't check the fairness by ourselves.

Slot games has a close source code. AFAIkK, some casino offers slot game on there house that offers real probably fair game. I forgot about the casino but I think it's from a web3 casino.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 12, 2023, 07:36:11 AM

Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic.
Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played.
There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP.

Does "provably fair" apply to slot games too? I'm not entirely sure, and I don't have much experience with slots. I also don't know how many game providers actually offer provably fair games. I'm not talking about their internal controls and licenses, but a genuinely cryptographic provably fair mechanism, similar to what we have on dice or crash games, for example.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 12, 2023, 08:47:21 AM

Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 12, 2023, 03:29:45 AM

I find demo modes to be very useful, not only for gambling but in everything, like if you are playing a video game for the first time, you go through the demos to learn the keys and other stuff, similarly, in gambling, a demo mode let's you explore the gameplay before you get involved with the real mode.

Because demo mode is designed to allow gamblers to enjoy gambling and the results are purely manipulative. That is why what we often see is winnings, not losses because this will encourage gamblers and would think that they can do like this or even better when gambling in real. Unfortunately, it was too different and the design isn't like that as it was more intense doing actual rather than playing fake money or just free tokens. However, we could still apply the learning that we have using a demo account and this could help as well.

Agreed, players who like to play demo mode should take it as a tool to know how the slot works, what features are there, and any other information only.
Players should not be attracted to play the slot with real money because of the results they get while trying the demo mode.
Or players should not hope too much that the result in demo mode will also come in the real mode.
It does not mean that it is impossible, it is possible but the chance can be said that winning in real mode is lower than in demo mode.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 12, 2023, 03:29:45 AM

I find demo modes to be very useful, not only for gambling but in everything, like if you are playing a video game for the first time, you go through the demos to learn the keys and other stuff, similarly, in gambling, a demo mode let's you explore the gameplay before you get involved with the real mode.

Because demo mode is designed to allow gamblers to enjoy gambling and the results are purely manipulative. That is why what we often see is winnings, not losses because this will encourage gamblers and would think that they can do like this or even better when gambling in real. Unfortunately, it was too different and the design isn't like that as it was more intense doing actual rather than playing fake money or just free tokens. However, we could still apply the learning that we have using a demo account and this could help as well.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 31, 2023, 02:44:57 PM

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This practice is not good at all if we all must be honest with ourselves, it simply means the casino or game provider, which ever if them is involved in such a practice, should not be trusted, personally, I've always believed slot games in demo mode work like demo account in trading, which is were you learn for yourself all that there is to the game, how easy or hard it is to win in the actual game, if casinos or game providers do go into such dirty tricks all just to entice players into believing that such slot game is what its not, then they are dupes, and should not be trusted.

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It's crucial to note that there is no direct correlation between these two modes—real play and demo mode. Therefore, it's advisable to dismiss any misconceptions. Furthermore, avoiding superstitions is recommended, as these games primarily operate based on Random Number Generation (RNG).

Well, I don't completely agree that every slot games operates based on Random Number Generation, I still believe that some how, some of this games are manipulated somehow, as long as they are able to manipulate the demo version, they can still manipulate the real version as well., a lot goes on behind the scene that the eyes can't see, even though they make us believe everything is alright, and that games are completely fair.

Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic.
Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played.
There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP.

When discusing the topic of probably fairness of the casino games, we must have to also take into account what makes up probably fair systems and who controls them, since the casino is in charge of the games and their outcome, it is then left ever in the hand and any shady casino can easily temper with the game outcome even if there don't entirely ring the game but the will possibly influence the ability of the house to always be at advantage over the gambler.

We then also talk about which games can easily be manipulated, and at what level can the manipulation occurs, this is what we must take into account because that will help up to arrive at a viewpoint that will further increase our information that will help in this discussion.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 12, 2023, 06:41:49 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 12, 2023, 06:01:43 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 31, 2023, 02:44:57 PM

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This practice is not good at all if we all must be honest with ourselves, it simply means the casino or game provider, which ever if them is involved in such a practice, should not be trusted, personally, I've always believed slot games in demo mode work like demo account in trading, which is were you learn for yourself all that there is to the game, how easy or hard it is to win in the actual game, if casinos or game providers do go into such dirty tricks all just to entice players into believing that such slot game is what its not, then they are dupes, and should not be trusted.

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It's crucial to note that there is no direct correlation between these two modes—real play and demo mode. Therefore, it's advisable to dismiss any misconceptions. Furthermore, avoiding superstitions is recommended, as these games primarily operate based on Random Number Generation (RNG).

Well, I don't completely agree that every slot games operates based on Random Number Generation, I still believe that some how, some of this games are manipulated somehow, as long as they are able to manipulate the demo version, they can still manipulate the real version as well., a lot goes on behind the scene that the eyes can't see, even though they make us believe everything is alright, and that games are completely fair.

Adjusting RTP doesn't necessarily mean that they manipulate the outcomes. It is just some sort of strategy they do. Rigged games are on different topic.
Please remember that we have provably fair games, these are considered to be the fairest games online. You can even verify the seeds of the games you played.
There's no need to be so negative towards casino operators that adjusts demo RTP.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 12, 2023, 06:01:43 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 31, 2023, 02:44:57 PM

To the best of my recollection, the casino can adjust the RTP for demo mode, though some choose to do so, others do not. If a casino opts to make changes, it is likely aimed at enticing players testing the demo into believing the slot is profitable. This practice varies depending on the casino's approach.

This practice is not good at all if we all must be honest with ourselves, it simply means the casino or game provider, which ever if them is involved in such a practice, should not be trusted, personally, I've always believed slot games in demo mode work like demo account in trading, which is were you learn for yourself all that there is to the game, how easy or hard it is to win in the actual game, if casinos or game providers do go into such dirty tricks all just to entice players into believing that such slot game is what its not, then they are dupes, and should not be trusted.

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It's crucial to note that there is no direct correlation between these two modes—real play and demo mode. Therefore, it's advisable to dismiss any misconceptions. Furthermore, avoiding superstitions is recommended, as these games primarily operate based on Random Number Generation (RNG).

Well, I don't completely agree that every slot games operates based on Random Number Generation, I still believe that some how, some of this games are manipulated somehow, as long as they are able to manipulate the demo version, they can still manipulate the real version as well., a lot goes on behind the scene that the eyes can't see, even though they make us believe everything is alright, and that games are completely fair.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 31, 2023, 02:44:57 PM

To the best of my recollection, the casino can adjust the RTP for demo mode, though some choose to do so, others do not. If a casino opts to make changes, it is likely aimed at enticing players testing the demo into believing the slot is profitable. This practice varies depending on the casino's approach.

It's crucial to note that there is no direct correlation between these two modes—real play and demo mode. Therefore, it's advisable to dismiss any misconceptions. Furthermore, avoiding superstitions is recommended, as these games primarily operate based on Random Number Generation (RNG).

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Quote from: Yatsan on August 08, 2023, 12:10:07 PM

Quote from: Outhue on August 08, 2023, 03:06:14 AM

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Not all players would engage to a platform in a single glance. Ofcourse they'd be wanting to test it first and not all gambling sites have this kind of mode so it is a good thing for me especially for those who has just started in this industry as one of their introductory schemes to somehow build an impression to players.

Playing in demo mode sometimes does provide its own benefits as a trial game because gamblers don't need to spend money for just a trial.
But there are not a few gamblers who don't use the demo mode but instead try or test a slot game with their balance but with the lowest bet amount.
I think it's not the gambling sites that provide the demo mode but the slot game providers themselves, but for original slot games at a casino it depends on the casino site itself whether they have a demo mode program or not, considering that it also doesn provide an advantage for the casino.
But when you first enter a gambling site that has not been used before, testing with demo mode is the right decision so that we don't experience losses at the beginning of the game trying a gambling site.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 08, 2023, 03:06:14 AM

I don't get why demo slots games exists though, why? Because it's just a click botton something, there is nothing to learn using the demo like trading, also if you have no idea about gambling and you see slots demo for the first-time, you will be bombard with satisfying results, in between few rounds you will hit unbelievable amount of money, it will be fool of you to think that the real mode will bring such rewards to you.

I've never use demo account before, I am wondering what I would have done if I started going trying out demos for the first time, maybe it will make me have the impossible dream? I mean this could add more fire to your addiction, demo accounts are not necessarily when a game is all about luck, there is skills to apply anywhere.

Demo modes are basically provided so that the players can see the gameplay and how it gives wins and stuff. It is not mandatory for everyone to use the provided demo modes before starting to gamble, they are just an optional thing that one can use if they want to try the game before playing it with real money, even though there is basically nothing else than clicking a button but it is always good to know in advance that how you can get a win basically.

I find demo modes to be very useful, not only for gambling but in everything, like if you are playing a video game for the first time, you go through the demos to learn the keys and other stuff, similarly, in gambling, a demo mode let's you explore the gameplay before you get involved with the real mode.

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Quote from: RapTarX on August 07, 2023, 02:31:39 PM

Based on my real experience, demo & real-mode game playing are totally different. In demo mode, it's necessary to how the games work and how the game may get you a lucrative win so that you get excited to play. I have played mined games and was able to go with 25 without burst in demo mode while with real playing, I never could go 10 without bursting.

Probably the number of trial is much higher on demo mode compared to the real mode that’s why you can experience higher success rate on demo mode. You will not count the number of games that you already have on demo mode since you are not thinking about your bankroll since it’s unlimited while on real-mode you are keep looking out on your bankroll whenever you are keep bursting.

I do believe that some providers use a different RTP between demo and real mode but most of the reputable provider usually use the same RTP because they are confident that players will play due to their addictive game graphics.

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