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Topic: Please bail me out - I'm an idiot bought mining gear at the peak - page 2. (Read 21418 times)

newbie
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Hawaii is .26cents a kilowatt/hour.

I'll be getting out before a lot of you.  Get ready to buy all my gear.

I'm from The Netherlands.. its about 0.23 euro here. Roughly translates to 0.33 dollar at the moment Tongue
sr. member
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member
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Except you'll notice that all this equipment is going to be bought by someone on Bitcoin.org -- it probably won't end up sitting on a dusty shelf somewhere...


if selling hardware comes the trend, either a) big fish eat the little ones or b) miners dont buy it and difficulty goes down.

why wouldnt a miner buy it? decreasing profits, becomes risky. hopefully this is the case, id hate to have the top10% miners buy all of the jazz.
sr. member
Activity: 392
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Except you'll notice that all this equipment is going to be bought by someone on Bitcoin.org -- it probably won't end up sitting on a dusty shelf somewhere...
newbie
Activity: 35
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more pictures please
member
Activity: 133
Merit: 10
shows some people got more money than sense.

good luck with sale. i hope this becomes a trend so the difficulty doesn't increase as fast/much.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Will you take BTC equivalent?

Edit: Just noticed you do!

YGPM!
newbie
Activity: 42
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Well I hate to turn this into my own personal sales thread so let me show u the pic at least HAHAhttp://
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64331187@N04/5858492956/in/photostream


biostar TA890FXE 150$
radeon 6870      170$
radeon 5830   150$
sempron 130 +fan     40$
sempron 140 + fan 40$
kingston 1gig DDR SRAM  13$
PCI-e risers (16-16x from cable2000 but shipped from chicago not long ass hong kong!)  Im not gonna run around shipping these 1 by one, but if u want to add them to an order i'll charge 10$ each which is a good deal.

I want to sell the mobo + cpu + fan together as a barebones, if possible.. anything not sold is going to continue mining, so order priority to those buying more of a 'total rig' set up.

8g flash drives with ubuntu + mining stuff:  14$

I'll give tech support anyone trying to get a rig up and running.
cards have not been overclocked, original bios, etc.

I will take paypal, probably to my old company paypal many of you may recognize the company if u are mmorpg gamers Wink
It is 5000+ verified.
I will take bitcoins too but charge like 10% or so + the last tradehill/gox price - but hey small price to pay for the privilege of using the CURRENCY OF THE FUTURE.

min order 200$, I am in schaumburg area, chicago. Prices are all negotiable but dont lowball... all this stuff is tested and works together.
yahoo me at bitcoinlover (instant mesenger)
 
newbie
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Don't sell your stuff, move to a cheaper state ! Electricity in florida is about .05 KWH, you can stay in the midwest to, some states are .03-.05KWH

Don't forget to include the cost of HVAC to get rid of all that heat!

I see where there are some very large data centres opening up in places like Iceland for that region.

Random thought there is a HUGE hydro electric project in N. Quebec - I wonder how it would work for a co-location site? You could even sell the "waste heat" to help heat buildings.

Just the same it really does depend on the ratio of Difficulty Factor to BTC "value" in the currency where you pay the bills - at US$0.01/BTC and today's Difficulty Factor I doubt if there is any combination which would work.
legendary
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Don't sell your stuff, move to a cheaper state ! Electricity in florida is about .05 KWH, you can stay in the midwest to, some states are .03-.05KWH
newbie
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I took some pics after just spending hte last 12 hours (yet another 12 hour day) on the set up... where do u 'radical internet dudes' share your awesome pictures like faceblasters or twitterbox or what?  cuz i dont see a photo option on this forum.. i think u guys will get a chuckle of the gigantic lair of the octopi computers.

I've gotten some interest but right now we're debating whether opening a box is even worth it even after we have sunk costs in a mobo and a free slot for it.. or if its just better to send everything back as is.. also buncha lowball offers.. noone is gonna sell something that goes for 160$ on ebay for 100$ on here, etc.

And those who think 12,000$ is alot of money honestly these bernanke bucks are on their way to being worthless anyway so spend em while u got em i spose... but yeah it was an amoutn i felt safe gambling with.. i dont like throwing money down the toilet tho, which this seems to be a very long and painfully hard way to accomplish just that.

sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Are you sure?

What, do you live on a government-subsidized Indian reservation or something?

Seriously -- 3 cents is too low. Are you sure that's "power cost" plus "generation & transmission"?

Just subtract the customer/statement fee (usually a fixed amount) from your last bill, and divide that by the number of kilowatts you used.

newbie
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Hawaii is .26cents a kilowatt/hour.

I'll be getting out before a lot of you.  Get ready to buy all my gear.
newbie
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You know i think this guys full of shit, because if he was serious, i asked him to send me a pm and maybe buying some of his stuff, and he never sent or said as much as a peep about it.

If he was really this bad off he's want to lay off some of his "losses"
donator
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you guys must be kidding. we pay around 0.30 US-$ here for 1 kWh. and it's still profitable

I guess I'm lucky paying only $0.05/kWh. 
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
This guy still hasn't given us the slightest shred of proof that he's real and not a troll.

A grainy phone pic, please. That's all we ask. Don't tell me you don't have a digital camera. You have $10,000 to spend on mining hardware. You can afford a $50 camera. And don't tell me you're such a luddite you don't have a cell phone.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
Seems to me a lot of your costs are over and above the actual mining hardware.  Even if you return the mining hardware you'll be out a bunch.

Me, I've shut down my miners.  Yeah, I'm small scale -- 561 Mhash/sec, cost me $209.  Not mining at this difficulty until I know if BTC will be > $4 or under .01 once the smoke from the MtGox fireball settles.  =)

I was at an earlier stage in my mining - about ready to order some hardware.

My plans too are on hold until I see just how this all plays out.

My concern is that we may have provided a whole new generation of script kiddies with superb password cracking machines!

This may yet be the main legacy of BitCoin.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Seems to me a lot of your costs are over and above the actual mining hardware.  Even if you return the mining hardware you'll be out a bunch.

Me, I've shut down my miners.  Yeah, I'm small scale -- 561 Mhash/sec, cost me $209.  Not mining at this difficulty until I know if BTC will be > $4 or under .01 once the smoke from the MtGox fireball settles.  =)
hero member
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Merit: 500
Your statement reads to me as confusing. If the OP had bought in @ $30 and watched the coins plumet to $15 he'd have $5000 worth of coins now. Bitcoin prices can go... anywhere. Back to 30, up to 10000, or down below 1. OP doesn't sound like the patient optimistic type with $10,000 he can have lying around without regards for months or whatever potential time it would take to get back above $30.

Perhaps you bought in around march? In what way would you have made triple? In march prices were about $1 per coin? Let's say that. And prices were $30 per coin around Jun7th right? Difficulty was around 70,000 I believe.

So lets say you bought a mining rig on whenever and got it running march 7th, and you bought some coins on whenever around march 7th as prices were pretty flat until around april.

You could build mining rigs for about 1.7Mhash/$ pretty easily back in march, so let's compare a $10,000 buy:

$10,000 -- 10,000 coins vs 15GHash (bein generous with overheads other than rigs to compare to OPs costs), and use 15¢/kWh like OP, $26.64/day costs.

March 7th: Miner 0BTC $10000Debt , Buyer 10,000BTC $10000 Debt.

2 difficulty changes, both minor, avging to 80k difficulty generates 5,733 bitcoins in a month

April 7th: Miner 5,733BTC $10799Debt, Buyer10,000BTC $10000 Debt.

2 difficulty changes, both reasonable, averaging 90k difficulty generates 5,096 bitcoins in a month

May 7th: Miner 10,829BTC $11598Debt, Buyer10,000BTC $10000 Debt.

Here is where things got crazy, 4 difficulty changes, ending at 400k difficulty. for ease of my lazy brain will calculate whole month at 300k to be generous again.  Generating 1528 coins in a month.

June 7th: Miner 12357BTC $12397Debt, Buyer10,000BTC $10000Debt


If the buyer cashes out on June 7th smartly surmising the $30 bubble line, he is still $70,000 behind the miner. If you assume the miner cashed out to cover his costs each month the miner still has 11292 coins on june 7th, putting him $40,000 ahead of the buyer. This is a far cry from making 1/3rd as much. Not to mention even at todays difficulty rate a 15GHash machine produces 125BTC/wk

Your scenario is only true if you assume a miner must cash out immediately the moment he has generated coin all the time. Which doesn't make sense. If you have $ you can just let sit in the market, why couldn't you let your $ sit in easily resalable machines? If you were so finnicky about money that you need to see it recovered INSTANTLY would you really have been able to see bitcoin prices surge up, then make huge drops and not sell off? In the optimum scenario of a terrified miner vs a super bold coin investor maybe your statement makes sense, but otherwise not.

Your scenario relies on perfect information and predicting the market, which no one has and no one can do.  "If the buyer cashes out on June 7th smartly surmising the $30 bubble line"  that is ludicrous, no one predicted $30 as the bubble line, and being smart has nothing to do with it, you cannot predict it.

Your scenario is only true if you assume a miner must cash out immediately the moment he has generated coin all the time. Which doesn't make sense. If you have $ you can just let sit in the market, why couldn't you let your $ sit in easily resalable machines?

If you are not cashing out immediately you are only trying to predict the market and that it will rise, which is not a given fact by any means.

I don't think you read the conversation:

This scenario was a prompted response to someone who said "I would have made 3x as much money if I had bought coins instead of mining them! Sad Sad Sad Sad"

Implying because of the price rise buying coins would have been more profitable. That statement already has the idea of perfect knowledge built into it. I merely created a parity situation between mining and buying, nothing additional on top of that. How people ACTUALLY act when they buy coin or mine coin is entirely up to them of course.
hero member
Activity: 575
Merit: 500
stop feeding the troll, noone is that stupid and 3.6 ghash does not cost $10k even if the graphic cards are made out of gold...

maybe you should start reading past the first post, he clearly stated 3.6 is what he has up and running right now while in total he would end up at around 12.
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