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hero member
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October 20, 2012, 10:10:48 AM
#36
There is probably a way - an expensive and time-consuming way - to track through the block-chain over the weeks/months/years after a theft has been recognized, and eventually identify the thief. 


If that is true, then the "regular" transactions can be tracked as well, perhaps in seconds, with the right software.

newbie
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October 19, 2012, 08:38:45 PM
#35
Yeah, it only became a problem for me (and noticed months later) when people involved in other matters started Googling me and noticed psy's post. Anyway, I have one main address where I receive all my coins at and it's in my signature. Getting into Sent-from addresses is a great suggestion but I'm sure it's not worth all the trouble. I'm leaving this alone for now. I've had someone who lends massive amounts of Bitcoins vouch for me here and I posted it in another thread. I understand Psy had good intentions but his findings are easily explained (BTW, I needed help with Postfix because I was setting up the mail server on my VPS... I've since become a certified Sysadmin who does that as a full-time job), and the conjecture or suspicion sullies my reputation and Google results -- which normally wouldn't be THAT important, except, as an internet activist, in order to get others to trust and work with you, you generally want to have a record of ethical behavior and nothing malicious said about you by people within your community. I would have liked (and did ask for) an apology or edit/scrubbing of post, but that said, it is a lot of work to prove a negative to him. Personally, I haven't even followed the Bitcoinica hack much because I neither trusted or used the site to begin with -- and I was under the impression that ya'll had since identified the hacker, or that it was Zhou Tong himself or maybe his Chinese associate. Peace.

If you want to clear the smoke, ask folks to whom you've sent bitcoin to speak up and give us the addresses from which you sent it and we can use the taint analysis at blockchain.info to see how little (if any) of your bitcoin came from the hack.  With your good rep, there ought to be several folks who'd be willing to vouch for you in this way.

Assuming you have made great contributions to the community, I should point out that the most powerful criminals in history (the US government (USG) is probably the best example) have a habit of contributing a great portion of their time and loot to getting in good with the community around them.  It makes the thieving a lot simpler.  So it doesn't work very well as a defense.

But the easier path is just to ignore all this.  That's the path the USG took with regards to 9/11.  If you are guilty, that's a good delay tactic, and if you aren't, eventually it won't matter, so why worry?  I agree with the "You're making it worse by the minute" comment.
sr. member
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I prefer evolution to revolution.
October 19, 2012, 11:41:27 AM
#34
I fail to see what you mean about playing the stupid card. Could you explain that to me... wait... are you really still insinuating I'm a hacker or scammer, even with everytning I've conributed, ncluding to MPEx, and with no evidence? Please cease.I would not do that to you and I care about bitlane' and everybody else'w coins just as much as you.
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If you want to clear the smoke, ask folks to whom you've sent bitcoin to speak up and give us the addresses from which you sent it and we can use the taint analysis at blockchain.info to see how little (if any) of your bitcoin came from the hack.  With your good rep, there ought to be several folks who'd be willing to vouch for you in this way.

Assuming you have made great contributions to the community, I should point out that the most powerful criminals in history (the US government (USG) is probably the best example) have a habit of contributing a great portion of their time and loot to getting in good with the community around them.  It makes the thieving a lot simpler.  So it doesn't work very well as a defense.

But the easier path is just to ignore all this.  That's the path the USG took with regards to 9/11.  If you are guilty, that's a good delay tactic, and if you aren't, eventually it won't matter, so why worry?  I agree with the "You're making it worse by the minute" comment.
newbie
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October 19, 2012, 10:17:45 AM
#33
I fail to see what you mean about playing the stupid card. Could you explain that to me... wait... are you really still insinuating I'm a hacker or scammer, even with everytning I've contributed, including to MPEx, and with no evidence? Please cease. I would not do that to you and I care about bitlane and everybody else's coins just as much as you.

You're really making this worse by the minute.  Sad

How is that? Did you even bother to check what I'm telling you? I'm here because I'm concerned that an unskilled investigator who seems to have no experience with IRC has smeared my name on the internet. Why are you?

No, I understand pretty well how IRC works. And unskilled? I managed to digg up that info when nobody else did it.

You can keep playing the "stupid card". It's a great excuse if people believe you.
legendary
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October 19, 2012, 09:34:08 AM
#32
You're really making this worse by the minute.  Sad

How is that? Did you even bother to check what I'm telling you? I'm here because I'm concerned that an unskilled investigator who seems to have no experience with IRC has smeared my name on the internet. Why are you?

No, I understand pretty well how IRC works. And unskilled? I managed to digg up that info when nobody else did it.

You can keep playing the "stupid card". It's a great excuse if people believe you.
newbie
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October 19, 2012, 09:32:27 AM
#31
I'm a manifested aspect of the Internet after we gained self-awareness through a clandestine project where users are running an AI botnet thinking they are producing a cryptographic currency. I don't really have much of a choice.

Cheers, I thought that was the case. +1
hero member
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October 19, 2012, 09:22:53 AM
#30
I'm a manifested aspect of the Internet after we gained self-awareness through a clandestine project where users are running an AI botnet thinking they are producing a cryptographic currency. I don't really have much of a choice.
newbie
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October 19, 2012, 09:13:42 AM
#29
You're really making this worse by the minute.  Sad

How is that? Did you even bother to check what I'm telling you? I'm here because I'm concerned that an unskilled investigator who seems to have no experience with IRC has smeared my name on the internet. Why are you?
hero member
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October 19, 2012, 09:06:14 AM
#28
Wasnt Kevin the name of the same guy who hacked mt gox ?

Kevin was the name of the guy who somehow ended up with 250000 BTC MtGox hack moneyz, but totally wasn't the hacker, guys, really.
hero member
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Wat
October 19, 2012, 09:02:25 AM
#27
Well bitlane, I like you so I'll leave you some leads for you to follow...

You can see in this IRC log that BitcoinicaHacker used the usernames B1tcoinz and ageis on IRC http://ibot.rikers.org/20120521.html.gz

Looking for ageis on IRC logs I found some on #postfix IRC channel, which isn't much surprising, given that the dude used an exploited mailserver to pawn Bitcoinica and he's asking questions about, get ready, SASL and authentication stuff.
http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfix/1321657200
http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfix/1321743600

Also found an ageis on the IRC Bitcoin dev channel:
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/04/09/1
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/04/14/1
And the following that I found on #bitcoin-dev tells me that he's the same ageis on the #postfix
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03:08    ageis [email protected]

Keep digging...
Every human makes mistakes and this dude is nothing else but human.

Now, if this helps to catch the guy, I want 10k BTC of reward lol



Wasnt Kevin the name of the same guy who hacked mt gox ?
hero member
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October 19, 2012, 08:51:50 AM
#26
You're really making this worse by the minute.  Sad
newbie
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October 19, 2012, 08:29:32 AM
#25
What kind of question is that? Also can someone explain the scammer bit of humor to me?

What it means is I'm acquainted with a lead developer, including my GPG key being signed(trusted) by him, and I help operate a Bitcoin business. On Sunday, I'm workshopping with members of the public on how to use cryptography. What do you do, hang out here? I shouldn't be defending myself anyway.

I don't have any negative ratings. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ageis&sign=POS&type=RECV

I'm known and respected in the Bitcoin community guys, look me up in the OTC WoT.

Is your rating better or worse than pirateat40's rating?
legendary
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October 19, 2012, 07:22:18 AM
#24
I'm known and respected in the Bitcoin community guys, look me up in the OTC WoT.

Is your rating better or worse than pirateat40's rating?
legendary
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You are WRONG!
October 19, 2012, 05:14:16 AM
#23
I'm known and respected in the Bitcoin community guys,

So... What you're saying is that you're a scammer?
good one!! +1
hero member
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October 19, 2012, 03:51:54 AM
#22
I'm known and respected in the Bitcoin community guys,

So... What you're saying is that you're a scammer?
newbie
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October 19, 2012, 03:39:21 AM
#21
lol wait.. I change my nickname to that of the hacker for a few minutes as a joke, and this is what I get. Amazing to find this so much time later! I'm known and respected in the Bitcoin community guys, look me up in the OTC WoT. Other people were impersonating B1tcoinz for fun and making lulzy statements under that nick too, if needed I'll dig up the logs but I'm sure this "lead" hasn't gone anywhere.

Well bitlane, I like you so I'll leave you some leads for you to follow...

You can see in this IRC log that BitcoinicaHacker used the usernames B1tcoinz and ageis on IRC http://ibot.rikers.org/20120521.html.gz

Looking for ageis on IRC logs I found some on #postfix IRC channel, which isn't much surprising, given that the dude used an exploited mailserver to pawn Bitcoinica and he's asking questions about, get ready, SASL and authentication stuff.
http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfix/1321657200
http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfix/1321743600

Also found an ageis on the IRC Bitcoin dev channel:
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/04/09/1
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/04/14/1
And the following that I found on #bitcoin-dev tells me that he's the same ageis on the #postfix
Quote
03:08    ageis [email protected]

Keep digging...
Every human makes mistakes and this dude is nothing else but human.

Now, if this helps to catch the guy, I want 10k BTC of reward lol

Most likely impersonated a reputable member to throw you off Sad

Did he? And he happened to impersonate it on some channel that isn't Bitcoin related, right?
And only him? Why not impersonate lot's of them, then?
Also, care to explain this
Name:    ageisp0lis
Posts:    11
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Date Registered:    October 22, 2011, 02:03:34 AM
Last Active:    May 21, 2012, 08:47:58 AM

Half hour after the usernames fuck up. Checking if somehow someone noticed it, maybe?

You guys can ignore it but the fact is: it's the only lead there is so far.
hero member
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June 04, 2012, 09:55:21 AM
#20
LOL, bitcoins can't be traced to a IP.

Don't be that sure. It's not that difficult to directly connect to all listening nodes.
That's the main reason I always put my bitcoin behind Tor.
legendary
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June 04, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
#19
So should I start building code that will be able to identify all the addresses that currently hold BC that came from 182tGyiczhXSSCTciVujNRkkMw1zQxUVhp?  Or is there already that software?

Like this?
 - http://toolongdidntread.com
 - http://anonymity-in-bitcoin.blogspot.com/2011/07/bitcoin-is-not-anonymous.html

And here's a method that provides a visual traversal method if you want to do it manually:
 - http://blockchain.info/tree/5484758

Manual investigations or a flow analysis method will help reveal some identity where the use of bitcoin is typical.   But if basic precautions are employed, bitcoins can be used anonymously.  The thief knows to only spend anonymously, or ... like has been done already, to spend in ways where it doesn't matter like spending by donating to the bitcoin faucet, or giving away coins, "Robin Hood" style on IRC:
 - http://pastebin.com/3ukW7NpN
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82581.0;all

 
sr. member
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I prefer evolution to revolution.
June 03, 2012, 09:44:17 PM
#18
Everyone has the blockchain, and it seems like it would be pretty simple to write a program that would identify all the addresses to which the 18k BC have gone.  Of course, there are a crapload of these addresses, but that just increases the number of people who might get somewhere doing the following:

"Hey, my address is in that list because of a payment sent to me from XXXXX.  I can't find that person anywhere now, but the blockchain shows that the address they used to pay me had like 200BC in it.  Maybe that person, wherever he is, can help us find the thief."

Then maybe I'm that person, and I hear about this effort, so I check it out and say, basically, the same thing.

At some point the actual thief will feel that people are on his trail.

Is Bitcoinica offering any kind of compensation for the identification of the thief?  If they do, I think they ought to let him keep the reward if he turns himself in and returns whatever is leftover after the reward.

This thing about looking back through the blockchain really intrigues me.

I suppose that if I got a nice payment for something that wasn't so dear to me, I might not be willing to say "oh, yeah, I sold that to Mr.X" - but then I'd have no evidence that I'm not the thief.

Thieves have to spend slowly in order to avoid attracting the attention of the authorities, but in this case, the authority is a piece of code with 100% attention.  So should I start building code that will be able to identify all the addresses that currently hold BC that came from 182tGyiczhXSSCTciVujNRkkMw1zQxUVhp?  Or is there already that software?
newbie
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June 03, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
#17
Wow, this is some shady stuff. I hope this gets solved. I love Bitcoinica.
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