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Topic: Please list arguments against the idea of taking away Gavins' alert keys - page 3. (Read 3895 times)

legendary
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We are all human, and that makes us weak. The question should be, IF Gavin is only partially invested in the Bitcoin development, should he have the Alert keys? I just know Satoshi gave the alert keys to someone he thought was trustworthy and has the best interest of Bitcoin in mind.
What would the need for such keys be, if you are not investing your time and energy into Bitcoin Core development?
If it's only for brag rights or a question of pride, just get over it and pass it on to the next person who wants to lead the Core development.  Huh
full member
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 1 = I trust Gavin more then any one else in the current Bitcoin Community.
 2 = I don't know who the fuck you are OP.
 
   
legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
What a weird thread. People want to take away his ability to send messages? Did he send his penis size or .onion drug links through the alert system? How did he abuse the alert feature? I must have missed a meeting.

Apparently we have no free will or intellect anymore, so if someone sent out a message telling us to upgrade we all have to do it without questioning.  We all have to be shielded from teh evil gavinz because no one can be trusted except the other core developers, who who are automatically right at all times as long as they agree.  

At least that's what I think he's proposing.    Roll Eyes
legendary
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What a weird thread. People want to take away his ability to send messages? Did he send his penis size or .onion drug links through the alert system? How did he abuse the alert feature? I must have missed a meeting.
legendary
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He's just spreading nonsense and trying to undermine him. Gavin didn't do anything wrong to Bitcoin. You can make your own fork and try to get the exchanges on board.
-snip- I think Bitcoin would benefit from Gavin taking some distance to it. A lot of people are actually pretty sick of him.
You're telling me that a lot of people are sick of him? The only people that are sick of him are Mircea and his group of mindless followers.
Gavin should be praised for all the work that he has done, and so should every developer.

I wonder why some individuals are really complaining. How about you take up coding and actually contribute to the project? Anyone could do this, however people rather complain that Gavin is a bad person.
Surely he can't be perfect, as no human is. He's prone to make an error or two, although he should be forgiven.

-snip-
Read it as you wish but i think practically no one is against a raise of blocksize. How it happened that gavin looks like the one who wants the future and the rest are the dumb people that dont want a raise is beyond me. All the critics are because of the way he tries to enforce it.
Sure, people are against this raise. I am looking into this discussion for months. Seems like you have just joined after Gavin made this deal with Hearn. That is a result of this whole discussion, not the reason for this discussion.
Well can't really say it like that, however there is something else that we should be looking at. Remember the first time that this discussion came up, like a few months ago? The thread had over 100 pages and I think that the majority were against it back then.
If we look at the amount of people that are supporting the increase now, it has grown exponentially.
hero member
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How about this proposal:
They actually ask Gavin about it? There is no reason to be waging unneeded wars, hopefully the peaceful method is going to work.

Asking Gavin already happened. He does not react. So that's that.

Shouldn't be preceived as 'war'. We're just looking for a consensus which in case it can be found is likely the opposite of war as it would put all this upheaval in the community to rest and we could go back to fight bulls vs bears instead of Gavincoin vs Core which i think everyone prefers.
I'm just proposing the most simple and obvious solution to the blocksize debate and i think this proposal should be absolutely included for the options to resolve the "great bitcoin blocksize crisis"

90% are ok with gavins plan. there is already huge consensus.

Um... i think thats an incorrect interpretation. 90% is ok with a raise of the blocksize. That surely doesnt mean that 90% are ok with the way Gavin is trying to do what he wants.

I think its really not constructive to let it look like there are the one part that is stupid and doesnt see we need a bigger block size. Thats simply not how things are.

Personally i think the ideas and way to act of gavin and hearn is something i dont like and will not support. But im still for a higher blocksize. I think someone who acts that way will act so in the future too, or worse. So as long as this doesnt change i think at one point something unfortunate might happen. Its simply me judging about a character and/or the ideas propagated.

Read it as you wish but i think practically no one is against a raise of blocksize. How it happened that gavin looks like the one who wants the future and the rest are the dumb people that dont want a raise is beyond me. All the critics are because of the way he tries to enforce it.
Sure, people are against this raise. I am looking into this discussion for months. Seems like you have just joined after Gavin made this deal with Hearn. That is a result of this whole discussion, not the reason for this discussion.
legendary
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How about this proposal:
They actually ask Gavin about it? There is no reason to be waging unneeded wars, hopefully the peaceful method is going to work.

Asking Gavin already happened. He does not react. So that's that.

Shouldn't be preceived as 'war'. We're just looking for a consensus which in case it can be found is likely the opposite of war as it would put all this upheaval in the community to rest and we could go back to fight bulls vs bears instead of Gavincoin vs Core which i think everyone prefers.
I'm just proposing the most simple and obvious solution to the blocksize debate and i think this proposal should be absolutely included for the options to resolve the "great bitcoin blocksize crisis"

90% are ok with gavins plan. there is already huge consensus.

Um... i think thats an incorrect interpretation. 90% is ok with a raise of the blocksize. That surely doesnt mean that 90% are ok with the way Gavin is trying to do what he wants.

I think its really not constructive to let it look like there are the one part that is stupid and doesnt see we need a bigger block size. Thats simply not how things are.

Personally i think the ideas and way to act of gavin and hearn is something i dont like and will not support. But im still for a higher blocksize. I think someone who acts that way will act so in the future too, or worse. So as long as this doesnt change i think at one point something unfortunate might happen. Its simply me judging about a character and/or the ideas propagated.

Read it as you wish but i think practically no one is against a raise of blocksize. How it happened that gavin looks like the one who wants the future and the rest are the dumb people that dont want a raise is beyond me. All the critics are because of the way he tries to enforce it.
legendary
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90% are ok with gavins plan. there is already huge consensus.

Which is a blatant lie. The Gavincoiners' struggle to rig the polls to 50%. We've seen two polls with large participation which both show Gavincoiners' have possible not even a majority, they are just more obtrusively.

Also at least 3 threads talking about Gavin being possibly of shady background and dealings with three letter agencies. These polls also show around 50% of people do not trust Gavin at all.

Talking about '90%' and 'huge consensus' is a obnoxious attempt of manipulating the discussion.

The only poll that matters is the amount of people that download and use Bitcoin XT.

People invested in alt coins need not worry about which wallet Bitcoin users are using.
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90% are ok with gavins plan. there is already huge consensus.

Which is a blatant lie. The Gavincoiners' struggle to rig the polls to 50%. We've seen two polls with large participation which both show Gavincoiners' have possible not even a majority, they are just more obtrusively.

Also at least 3 threads talking about Gavin being possibly of shady background and dealings with three letter agencies. These polls also show around 50% of people do not trust Gavin at all.

Talking about '90%' and 'huge consensus' is a obnoxious attempt of manipulating the discussion.
legendary
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How about this proposal:
They actually ask Gavin about it? There is no reason to be waging unneeded wars, hopefully the peaceful method is going to work.

Asking Gavin already happened. He does not react. So that's that.

Shouldn't be preceived as 'war'. We're just looking for a consensus which in case it can be found is likely the opposite of war as it would put all this upheaval in the community to rest and we could go back to fight bulls vs bears instead of Gavincoin vs Core which i think everyone prefers.
I'm just proposing the most simple and obvious solution to the blocksize debate and i think this proposal should be absolutely included for the options to resolve the "great bitcoin blocksize crisis"

90% are ok with gavins plan. there is already huge consensus.
hero member
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@OP
Please, just leave the Bitcoin space. Nobody cares.
How many stupid "Gavin is a bad person"-threads, which don't add anything to a constructive discussion, do we need?
legendary
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What's more important? Gavin or Bitcoin? I think it's only natural that when Gavin tries to undermine Bitcoin and hurts peoples' investement with this thing giving rise to fear, uncertainty and doubt, he certainly won't earn more respect with that. I don't care if Gavin is undermined but i do care if Bitcoin is undermined (by Gavin in this case). I think Bitcoin would benefit from Gavin taking some distance to it. A lot of people are actually pretty sick of him.

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This makes sense to me. If someone holds the alert key he should be united with Bitcoin's Core Team.

Imagine a rogue Microsoft employee retaining the ability to push out update notices to every single windows desktop.
This doesn't apply exactly. He can't push out updates to anyone, what he can do is make an alert. I don't see it being that dangerous nor do I think that Gavin is going to abuse his power in this case.

Ahh I see now...

Someone sold too low and now wants the price to drop again to buy back in.  Roll Eyes

FUD about some Gavin conspiracy won't bring down the price. Buy in now, the bear market is over.
We've seen this countless times. A group of people are trying to undermine Gavin, however that isn't going to really have an effect.

What's more important? Gavin or Bitcoin? I think it's only natural that when Gavin tries to undermine Bitcoin and hurts peoples' investement with this thing giving rise to fear, uncertainty and doubt, he certainly won't earn more respect with that. I don't care if Gavin is undermined but i do care if Bitcoin is undermined (by Gavin in this case). I think Bitcoin would benefit from Gavin taking some distance to it. A lot of people are actually pretty sick of him.
legendary
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This makes sense to me. If someone holds the alert key he should be united with Bitcoin's Core Team.

Imagine a rogue Microsoft employee retaining the ability to push out update notices to every single windows desktop.
This doesn't apply exactly. He can't push out updates to anyone, what he can do is make an alert. I don't see it being that dangerous nor do I think that Gavin is going to abuse his power in this case.

Ahh I see now...

Someone sold too low and now wants the price to drop again to buy back in.  Roll Eyes

FUD about some Gavin conspiracy won't bring down the price. Buy in now, the bear market is over.
We've seen this countless times. A group of people are trying to undermine Gavin, however that isn't going to really have an effect.
legendary
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Oh my god another idiotic not needed bs thread. Pure FUD from OP here!
legendary
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Exactly. This and i feel blackmailed and distorted by Gavin and personally would wish he would be excluded from everything 'Bitcoin' so i can feel safe again storing my hard earned money in btc again.
If he keeps being accepted as "bitcoin dev" by the community i am sorry, i wouldn't invest a dime anymore into this.  

Ahh I see now...

Someone sold too low and now wants the price to drop again to buy back in.  Roll Eyes

FUD about some Gavin conspiracy won't bring down the price. Buy in now, the bear market is over.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
By the way: since Gavin propagates his software outside devteam and BIP i don't see why he would even need to have alertkeys for core? He should have to choose if he wishes to hold alertkeys for core or xt - i don't think he can hold the keys to both or at least it doesn't look fair to me.
Just imagine all of the core devs start to propagate alternative clients that would fork the network when adopted?!
I don't think the community can accept his behaviour and he certainly needs to be excluded for the sake of investors confidence alone. He should release shitcoins and make hostile takeover in shitcoins because i don't think he's mature enough for BTC.

The alert keys for core and xt are the same. XT is the same as Core except the added feature that when there is a consensus agreement, then the block size will increase.

Are you against the consensus of Bitcoin users agreeing on an upgrade? Or would you rather leave that to a centralized group of people?
sr. member
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one person should not have such power over bitcoin .. what if he sent out the alert 'Bitcoin is dying, jump ship!'  There are a lot of morons who would sell off , driving price down!
legendary
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By the way: since Gavin propagates his software outside devteam and BIP i don't see why he would even need to have alertkeys for core? He should have to choose if he wishes to hold alertkeys for core or xt - i don't think he can hold the keys to both or at least it doesn't look fair to me.
Just imagine all of the core devs start to propagate alternative clients that would fork the network when adopted?!
I don't think the community can accept his behaviour and he certainly needs to be excluded for the sake of investors confidence alone. He should release shitcoins and make hostile takeover in shitcoins because i don't think he's mature enough for BTC.



This makes sense to me. If someone holds the alert key he should be united with Bitcoin's Core Team.

Imagine a rogue Microsoft employee retaining the ability to push out update notices to every single windows desktop.
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By the way: since Gavin propagates his software outside devteam and BIP i don't see why he would even need to have alertkeys for core? He should have to choose if he wishes to hold alertkeys for core or xt - i don't think he can hold the keys to both or at least it doesn't look fair to me.
Just imagine all of the core devs start to propagate alternative clients that would fork the network when adopted?!
I don't think the community can accept his behaviour and he certainly needs to be excluded for the sake of investors confidence alone. He should release shitcoins and make hostile takeover in shitcoins because i don't think he's mature enough for BTC.
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