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Quote from: shawshankinmate37927 on September 08, 2014, 05:56:52 AM

like i said on other topic if we took wal mart profit and gave it to the workers instead of shareholders who had nothing to do with creating that wealth everyone would get a 50% pay increase, this is maybe not the case for some small businesses

of course greedy libertarian no taxes for anything except police and military type on bitcoin forum don't like it because they are the wal mart shareholder and enjoy getting that bonus income from someone elses labour

It's easy to put other people's money where your mouth is. Start your own company so you can put your money where your mouth is and then let us know how that works out for you. When you employ as many people as Wal-mart does and you share all of the profits with your employees, then I'll be willing to listen to what you have to say.

I think cooperatives might be getting there. See Mondragon for example. Payments are far more equal than what you see in normal companies, which is a good start.

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Quote from: Interized on September 04, 2014, 11:41:13 PM

...so that these scum bags can all be replaced by automated machines and techies who deserve that pay...

Good one! While very modest hikes to the minimum wage can easily be absorbed or offset in other ways if you increase the cost of something you get less of it.

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I'm in favor of a $0 minimum wage.

Switzerland is doing just fine with one.

Quote from: maurya78 on September 08, 2014, 10:18:13 AM

Industrial automation is going to wipe out the unions in time anyway
No human workers, no employment law provisions

Wasn't Karl Marx the guy who predicted that?

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Industrial automation is going to wipe out the unions in time anyway
No human workers, no employment law provisions

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Quote from: itsAj on September 07, 2014, 01:56:06 PM

Quote from: Hippie Tech on September 07, 2014, 08:29:56 AM

How about we raise the minimum wage for the third world first. Roll Eyes

You'll be amazed at what can happen when 95% of the world's workforce has money to spend. Wink

I think this would likely cause inflation, more inflation then raising the wages of the unskilled. In order for third world countries to increase their national income they need to produce exports that are in demand throughout the rest of the world. (also the US does not dictate the wage levels of any country but the US).

They are producing exports that are in high demand and its your corrupt business/politcal leaders who are responsible for establishing and maintaining the status quo.

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The average consumer/ worker/slave is just as compliant with this form of barbarism.

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like i said on other topic if we took wal mart profit and gave it to the workers instead of shareholders who had nothing to do with creating that wealth everyone would get a 50% pay increase, this is maybe not the case for some small businesses

of course greedy libertarian no taxes for anything except police and military type on bitcoin forum don't like it because they are the wal mart shareholder and enjoy getting that bonus income from someone elses labour

It's easy to put other people's money where your mouth is. Start your own company so you can put your money where your mouth is and then let us know how that works out for you. When you employ as many people as Wal-mart does and you share all of the profits with your employees, then I'll be willing to listen to what you have to say.

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Quote from: Bonam on September 05, 2014, 01:33:51 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 05, 2014, 01:29:09 PM

LOL causing crash in economy, creating huge unemployment just to be able to say "We told you so!" is a bit extreme, and probably it will only have a very short-term educational effect.

Just one city that actually did it. We'll see the effects! Actually Seattle may be able to sustain it with the huge concentration of Amazon, Boeing, Microsoft, etc employees with lots of disposable income to spend on more expensive restaurant bills, more expensive groceries, etc.

2 of those are transplants. Boeing more or less moved all of Southern California aerospace (MD & Boeing) to Everett and thanks to the crazy labor contracts had to start looking elsewhere in the last 5 years. It's only a matter of time before more of those companies set up satellites. How much has MSFT moved out to Hyderabad. Even Expedia is there in Seattle and they're moving 1/3 out of Seattle soon.

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Loose lips sink sigs!

Techies get paid 4 times that rate

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By raising the minimum wage you increase automation and reduce human work force, this creates greater unemployment and further social grant dependency and plays to a more socialist government that diverts resources to support the unemployed making smaller businesses less sustainable. A vicious spiral to totalitarian control. Not always the best idea

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Quote from: Hippie Tech on September 07, 2014, 08:29:56 AM

How about we raise the minimum wage for the third world first. Roll Eyes

You'll be amazed at what can happen when 95% of the world's workforce has money to spend. Wink

I think this would likely cause inflation, more inflation then raising the wages of the unskilled. In order for third world countries to increase their national income they need to produce exports that are in demand throughout the rest of the world. (also the US does not dictate the wage levels of any country but the US).

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How about we raise the minimum wage for the third world first. Roll Eyes

You'll be amazed at what can happen when 95% of the world's workforce has money to spend. Wink

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Quote from: RoadTrain on September 06, 2014, 08:42:17 AM

You take one interpretation (monetarist) of the inflation phenomenon as if it's the only one that's proved right.
But there a more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Causes

Definitions shouldn't be a matter of opinion or interpretation, they should be a matter of agreement. Whether inflation is the cause of rising prices or not can be debated, but debating the definition of the word "inflation" is just an attempt to distract. It's a technique used by those that are behind and profit from the fiat monetary scam.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 06, 2014, 08:07:21 AM

Quote from: Lethn on September 06, 2014, 05:27:05 AM

No it doesn't, increasing the money supply contributes to inflation.

IMO, it will contribute to inflation. If employers are forced to raise the wages of their employees, then the basic prices of various items will go up, resulting in a big spike in inflation. For example, constructing a home can get more expensive, processed cheese can get more expensive... every single item which needs manual labor to process will get more expensive.

This is exactly why we should not raise the minimum wage. It will cause the prices of everything to go up for everyone, not just the lazy and unskilled. It will cause less unskilled jobs to be available as businesses will have more incentives to invest in automation. It will force businesses to raise prices because they are now paying their workers more.

EDIT: $15 per hour is a ridiculous amount of money to ask for. This is not something that a fast food worker is worth. This is something that someone who has actual skills with actual experience is worth paying.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 05, 2014, 07:28:49 AM

Quote from: Bonam on September 05, 2014, 12:17:42 AM

Well, they're doing it in Seattle. If this spurs increased adoption of automated/robotic cashiers, restaurant staff, food preparation systems, etc, that'd be awesome.

It'll be awesome until hoards of unemployed start raiding the houses of employed ones, to get their goods. If the system is to work properly, all the low skilled (majority of population?) must have some opportunities for employment. Driving MW too high is definitely not a way to go.

For the hoard of raiders there is a simple solution...

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Quote from: Interized on September 04, 2014, 11:41:13 PM

...so that these scum bags can all be replaced by automated machines and techies who deserve that pay...

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Quote from: Lethn on September 06, 2014, 08:31:36 AM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inflation

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Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation).

Raising the minimum wage by itself does not automatically mean that the currency is being inflated, it's pretty much a form of price fixing, the product in question is someone's labour and the government is deciding the price of that, it isn't a result of inflation, now if we were to examine wages as a whole, then that would be an indicator of inflation because it's very generalised much like how you can look at the price of basic food and so on.

You take one interpretation (monetarist) of the inflation phenomenon as if it's the only one that's proved right.
But there a more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Causes

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inflation

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Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation).

Raising the minimum wage by itself does not automatically mean that the currency is being inflated, it's pretty much a form of price fixing, the product in question is someone's labour and the government is deciding the price of that, it isn't a result of inflation, now if we were to examine wages as a whole, then that would be an indicator of inflation because it's very generalised much like how you can look at the price of basic food and so on.

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Quote from: Lethn on September 06, 2014, 05:27:05 AM

No it doesn't, increasing the money supply contributes to inflation.

IMO, it will contribute to inflation. If employers are forced to raise the wages of their employees, then the basic prices of various items will go up, resulting in a big spike in inflation. For example, constructing a home can get more expensive, processed cheese can get more expensive... every single item which needs manual labor to process will get more expensive.

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Quote from: Lethn on September 06, 2014, 05:27:05 AM

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Also contributes with the inflation and stuff.

No it doesn't, increasing the money supply contributes to inflation.

Not necessarily.

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Also contributes with the inflation and stuff.

No it doesn't, increasing the money supply contributes to inflation.

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