PM from admin demanding to exclude a certain user - page 7.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:00:43 PM

Since the "Lauda PM" is now public knowledge let me just state that this sort of thing - forum owner/admin sending a PM ~~demanding~~ "recommending" to exclude a certain user from my trust network - is deeply unwelcome. Theymos can blacklist anyone he wants, there is no need for him to coerce others into doing this. At the very least this call for action should have been done publicly. I want to put this out in case anyone wants to exclude (or blacklist Wink

) me for this opinion.

Not sure if this is more a Meta topic or a Reputation topic, feel free to move as appropriate.

Funny, none of you had any objection whatsoever when the same was done in my case.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:48:15 PM

Quote from: tmfp on June 12, 2019, 04:25:35 PM

Theymos' pm to me contained a recommendation, not a demand, and I'll treat it as such.

Reminds me when the school principal recommended me to flush the pack of Marlboro reds down the toilet in lieu of other consequences.

I know j/k, but in this case what are the "other consequences" of failure to act on his recommendation?
Theymos excludes me because I decide not to exclude Lauda?
the tmfp account vanishes as if it were never there?
I should stop answering the door/phone?
What?

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on June 12, 2019, 04:47:05 PM

Given that hes essentially just another member of DT

You are delusional to think that people see theymos as "just another member of DT" or that he would actually be just a member of DT.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 04:09:10 PM

Perhaps he should just blacklist anyone who keeps lauda in their trust list.

He was trying to convince others to agree with him.

All blacklisting would do is exclude someone from being DT1. He would have to completely overhaul the system to make it impossible for any DT1 member to include someone in their trust list, therefore making that person DT2.

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

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The flags are just implemented and could work better, as the directly crazy red tagg's so a new member is already afraid whiteout knowing anything of that persons real trades Roll Eyes

Also not because the flags are here today that means dozens of people need to be instant red flagged ...

Need to give this new system e proper time.... instead of already writing it out.

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Quote from: tmfp on June 12, 2019, 04:25:35 PM

Theymos' pm to me contained a recommendation, not a demand, and I'll treat it as such.

Reminds me when the school principal recommended me to flush the pack of Marlboro reds down the toilet in lieu of other consequences.

Quote from: Last of the V8s on June 12, 2019, 04:37:34 PM

Your pm was about more than one user, or is this just a turn of phrase?

Just Lauda. I edited the OP. My initial thinking was that this might be an ongoing strategy but since we have only one example let's make it singular.

Quote from: redsn0w on June 12, 2019, 04:41:02 PM

You literally asked to be removed, didn't you?

I don't think Lauda meant "theymos, please send a PM to everyone and recommend them to exclude me" but that's not quite the point. theymos has the power to blacklist and should use it if he deems appropriate. Exclusions should be voluntary.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:39:19 PM

Fair point. I would however, at this point question the trustworthiness and honesty of anyone who cried "bullying" about me but does not do the same now regarding this PM.

Again, people can question the trustworthiness and honesty of anyone based on their own opinion. People who cried about you bullying them either have those that support, oppose, or don't care about their opinion. You could say that Theymos is "bullying" other users now if you want, and similar groups will form that either support, oppose, or don't care.

Theymos is not an absolute detached party from trust, and not unreasonably far out of reach of having the same authority as DT. While I don't know for certain what would happen if everyone decided to exclude Theymos, I doubt he'd have a fit and rig the system so that others would have to listen to him. Given that hes essentially just another member of DT, I don't think its unreasonable for him to share his opinion with others or ask for their consideration regarding this matter the same way that its reasonable for you or any other member to do so.

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Quote from: redsn0w on June 12, 2019, 04:43:11 PM

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:42:05 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on June 12, 2019, 04:41:02 PM

Lauda said:

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 07:52:35 AM

The system is terrible. Other's have followed in blindly on that flag not knowing/understanding the full stupidity of the system (or just for the sake of testing - see yahoo's post) at the time. I wasn't sure of how bad the implications of it either, i.e. it's much more worse than I originally thought. Now that that has sorted (there is no support on the flag), it's all good. I'm fine with a blacklist if mr. theymos wants to. All flags created after that are fully valid; maybe only not the flag on BSV.

You literally asked to me removed, didn't you?

I did not ask for anything. I said that I'd accept it for the greater good or as proof of fake-decentralization.

Ah ok, I was just asking.
No problem for me, thanks.

No worries. The flag is a mistake; I'm not insisting on it nor have I asked for support on it after realizing that isn't proper use of the current "rules". I am, however, insisting that the system is fundamentally flawed now (much worse than where were before).

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Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:42:05 PM

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Lauda said:

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 07:52:35 AM

The system is terrible. Other's have followed in blindly on that flag not knowing/understanding the full stupidity of the system (or just for the sake of testing - see yahoo's post) at the time. I wasn't sure of how bad the implications of it either, i.e. it's much more worse than I originally thought. Now that that has sorted (there is no support on the flag), it's all good. I'm fine with a blacklist if mr. theymos wants to. All flags created after that are fully valid; maybe only not the flag on BSV.

You literally asked to me removed, didn't you?

I did not ask for anything. I said that I'd accept it for the greater good or as proof of fake-decentralization.

Ah ok, I was just asking.
No problem for me, thanks.

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Quote from: redsn0w on June 12, 2019, 04:41:02 PM

Lauda said:

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 07:52:35 AM

The system is terrible. Other's have followed in blindly on that flag not knowing/understanding the full stupidity of the system (or just for the sake of testing - see yahoo's post) at the time. I wasn't sure of how bad the implications of it either, i.e. it's much more worse than I originally thought. Now that that has sorted (there is no support on the flag), it's all good. I'm fine with a blacklist if mr. theymos wants to. All flags created after that are fully valid; maybe only not the flag on BSV.

You literally asked to me removed, didn't you?

I did not ask for anything. I said that I'd accept it for the greater good or as proof of fake-decentralization.

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I agree with the general sentiment of suchmoon and others here. Especially now when this new flag thing was implemented, it isn't surprising to see it being accidentally misused or problematic at this point. Also, I would not go distrust Lauda solely because Lauda really just made a negative flag about Quickseller, regardless of whatever was incorrect or bad in the flag.

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Lauda said:

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 07:52:35 AM

The system is terrible. Other's have followed in blindly on that flag not knowing/understanding the full stupidity of the system (or just for the sake of testing - see yahoo's post) at the time. I wasn't sure of how bad the implications of it either, i.e. it's much more worse than I originally thought. Now that that has sorted (there is no support on the flag), it's all good. I'm fine with a blacklist if mr. theymos wants to. All flags created after that are fully valid; maybe only not the flag on BSV.

You literally asked to be removed, didn't you?

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 04:09:10 PM

Perhaps he should just blacklist anyone who keeps lauda in their trust list.

He was trying to convince others to agree with him.

My teeth are grinding.

My teeth are grinding.

Did I mention that my teeth....

I'm sitting on this for the moment, as it's an unprecedented request since I've been a member here. I've always thought Lauda did more good than harm, and I've had a fair amount of loyalty to him/her since before my DT days because of support I received. Lauda was definitely impulsive today with the exclusions over the bill gator thing and the QS flag.

Lauda, I'm going to do nothing but sit on my hands right now and see how this crap goes down. I may step away from the keyboard for a while after this as well.

I did support someone else's flag referencing QS's escrow shenanigans, so that one I felt justified in getting behind. The friggin' highlight of my day right there, sorry QS.

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on June 12, 2019, 04:38:23 PM

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:31:37 PM

Are you sure that all users know that? Are you sure that all those users are not afraid of authorities?

Nope, but I also don't know that all users are not afraid of ducks either. This is pretty much the same thing I said when people were complaining about you "bullying" others. People are free to ignore anyone they want whether its a random newbie, a legendary account, a DT1 account, or an admin (can't ignore admins about rule breaking I suppose). If you don't know that, that isn't the admin, your, or duck's fault.

Fair point. I would however, at this point question the trustworthiness and honesty of anyone who cried "bullying" about me but does not do the same now regarding this PM.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:31:37 PM

Are you sure that all users know that? Are you sure that all those users are not afraid of authorities?

Nope, but I also don't know that all users are not afraid of ducks either. This is pretty much the same thing I said when people were complaining about you "bullying" others. People are free to ignore anyone they want whether its a random newbie, a legendary account, a DT1 account, or an admin (can't ignore admins about rule breaking I suppose). If you don't know that, that isn't the admin, your, or the duck's fault.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:00:43 PM

certain users

Your pm was about more than one user, or is this just a turn of phrase?

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on June 12, 2019, 04:25:11 PM

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:20:43 PM

Let's see where all those users are which claim that others act when I PM them only because they are afraid of me. This must be taken to the next-level if the admin PMs you then, no? In comparison to a swift blacklist and authority-figure, I have zero power here.

Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:17:47 PM

Just to make it clear: I obviously don't mind theymos expressing his opinion, I appreciate it. I dislike the way it was done. He can blacklist users (and preferably explain the decision) if he wants to. Or post his opinion publicly and let everyone make their decisions.

And no, it's not the same as someone else (e.g. Lauda) campaigning for inclusions/exclusions. I could tell Lauda to fuck off and nothing would happen regardless of what the conspiracy theories would lead you to believe. I don't think many recipients of that PM would feel the same way about a request from admin. Perhaps my reading of the situation is flawed. Let's hope that's all there is.

You can tell Theymos to fuck off too if you want. He doesn't take it too personal.

Are you sure that all users know that? Are you sure that all those users are not afraid of authorities?

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:00:43 PM

Since the "Lauda PM" is now public knowledge let me just state that this sort of thing - forum owner/admin sending PMs demanding to exclude certain users from my trust network - is deeply unwelcome. Theymos can blacklist anyone he wants, there is no need for him to coerce others into doing this. At the very least this call for action should have been done publicly. I want to put this out in case anyone wants to exclude (or blacklist Wink

) me for this opinion.

Theymos' pm to me contained a recommendation, not a demand, and I'll treat it as such.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 04:20:43 PM

Let's see where all those users are which claim that others act when I PM them only because they are afraid of me. This must be taken to the next-level if the admin PMs you then, no? In comparison to a swift blacklist and authority-figure, I have zero power here.

Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:17:47 PM

Just to make it clear: I obviously don't mind theymos expressing his opinion, I appreciate it. I dislike the way it was done. He can blacklist users (and preferably explain the decision) if he wants to. Or post his opinion publicly and let everyone make their decisions.

And no, it's not the same as someone else (e.g. Lauda) campaigning for inclusions/exclusions. I could tell Lauda to fuck off and nothing would happen regardless of what the conspiracy theories would lead you to believe. I don't think many recipients of that PM would feel the same way about a request from admin. Perhaps my reading of the situation is flawed. Let's hope that's all there is.

You can tell Theymos to fuck off too if you want. He doesn't take it too personal.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2019, 04:17:47 PM

And no, it's not the same as someone else (e.g. Lauda) campaigning for inclusions/exclusions. I could tell Lauda to fuck off and nothing would happen regardless of what the conspiracy theories would lead you to believe. I don't think many recipients of that PM would feel the same way about a request from admin. Perhaps my reading of the situation is flawed. Let's hope that's all there is.

Let's see where all those users are which claim that others act when I PM them only because they are afraid of me. This must be taken to the next-level if the admin PMs you then, no? In comparison to a swift blacklist and authority-figure, I have zero power here.

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