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March 12, 2015, 11:49:30 AM
I well I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of proof. Bye
March 12, 2015, 11:42:52 AM
PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on? I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together. I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for? The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.
Hell YES.
i made is acc to prove that its all ogre
game over
sorry for your loss
#YOLOSWAG420N0Sc0pErekt
March 12, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on? I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together. I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for? The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.
Hell YES.
March 12, 2015, 11:33:11 AM
PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on? I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together. I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for? The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.
March 12, 2015, 11:02:18 AM
Look I have to be honest, I don't think the full PandaX is even remotely realistic right now.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.
All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.
This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.
The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.
Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.
Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.
The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.
All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.
This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.
The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.
Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.
Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.
The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.
MaNI, this is precisely why I wrote my impassioned plea. You have more than satisfied my need to know. It gives us much more information and direction than we had. AND, it helps damp down all that fucking FUD out there. It had to be asked. It had to be answered. And you have done that. Many thanks, kind Teammate. ~Pelgoran
March 12, 2015, 10:48:47 AM
That said I am happy to answer your question. Here is an IRC log from the other day where I tried to explain the basics of PandaX.
Understand that - as with most large projects - there were multiple role players each with only a partial understanding of how the parts of the system they weren't involved in would work, there were many very long discussions, diagrams and arguments to get on 'the same page' as one another, it is unlikely that any one person even fully understood how *everything* would work.
My role was mostly to code the parts needed in the wallet - so I can only give a full overview of that, and even there unless I want to go through weeks of explaining I can probably only put forward a simplistic view of what was going to happen.
Below logs reflect a very simplistic summary of the system, without going into too much detail of how exactly it all comes together and works.
Understand that - as with most large projects - there were multiple role players each with only a partial understanding of how the parts of the system they weren't involved in would work, there were many very long discussions, diagrams and arguments to get on 'the same page' as one another, it is unlikely that any one person even fully understood how *everything* would work.
My role was mostly to code the parts needed in the wallet - so I can only give a full overview of that, and even there unless I want to go through weeks of explaining I can probably only put forward a simplistic view of what was going to happen.
Below logs reflect a very simplistic summary of the system, without going into too much detail of how exactly it all comes together and works.
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[12:53] yes, MaNI, is there any way we can help bring pandax back?
[12:53] is it irretrievable?
[12:54] I've put various of the pieces in the project ideas
[12:54] the 100k thing - i assumed that involved cooperating with a company somehow
[12:54] ^
[12:55] The starting point was to integrate seemless BTC transactions into the wallet to allow spending BTC as if it were PND - this would technically give us over '100k merchants' but it was realised this was just a 'trick' so it was not the whole picture.
[12:55] i see
[12:55] ok that cleared up alot for me MaNI
[12:55] The next part was to integrate a web store/portal into the wallet itself
[12:55] paybase 
haha sorry that just popped into my mind when you mentioned the portal
[12:55] Pandabase
[12:55] #noscam
[12:56] BTC merchants would be scrapped and put into it, there would be negotations for cashback offers and stuff like that
[12:56] IPO - Initial Plummit Offering
[12:56] kind of like a groupon or something
[12:56] so largely it's coding and negotiation with individuals
[12:56] the wallet was going to become a dual wallet so you could have a BTC wallet and PND in one to draw BTC users
[12:56] so pretty much what paycoin tried doing but failed at so miserably because homero is a greedy theif
[12:57] little more complicated but yeah
[12:57] there would be PND cash back on all BTC transactions to entice BTC users to PND
[12:57] that's not bad
[12:57] Surprised hes not on trial, or is he?
[12:57] can the pnd be spent?
[12:57] sales figures and promotions would be used to entice various vendors to start taking PND payments directly
[12:57] with the merchants
[12:57] ah
[12:57] thats the rough thing
[12:57] it's a good idea
[12:57] it was very big/complex how it all tied together
[12:58] and I was focused more on various technical aspects not how the merchant part itself would work
[12:58] i guess we can slowly put parts of it together.
[12:58] beats paycoin since they don't even want to accept their own coin as payment... hows that for retarded
[12:58] i can't recall who, but someone is creating a way to make btc transactions with pnd
[12:58] but yeah there are a lot of skills needed to tie it all together at once without those skills I don't think its something we could do now
[12:58] we can integrate that
[12:58] though we could slowly add various pieces and work toward it
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[12:59] there was a very skilled guy with experience doing shopping portals doing the shopping portal side
[12:59] bdanyo had just pulled him in a few weeks before he dissapeared
[12:59] oh man
[12:59] the guy obviously then dissapeared as well
[12:59] !lotto
[12:59] Wow! pndtip tipped tymbrwlf 21 Ᵽ! "/msg pndtip help" to claim.
[12:59] this is really a shame
[12:59] !withdraw PQw3SXc8Zceg6XivMAM6w2LPV3VtCx6fzC
[12:59] so yeah its a huge shame and why I can't believe he would have just dumped it all on his own accord
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March 12, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
Look I have to be honest, I don't think the full PandaX is even remotely realistic right now.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.
All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.
This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.
The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.
Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.
Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.
The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.
All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.
This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.
The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.
Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.
Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.
The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.
March 12, 2015, 10:03:52 AM
GG PND is dead. We want the truth!
I have been in contact with an ex-prominent dev member, and what that person had to expose to me in private is extremely alarming.
o amdoge is a fraud and a NEET with no skillsets besides js and basic coding that barely contributed to the past success of PND. The recent post by Mani highlighted that as a mercenary, he was responsible for all the past wallet innovations since August 31st, and amdoge had very little to do with it, with Ozzke/Bdanyo/Mani as the major driving forces for the past success. Amdoge was described as more of a background character that is arrogant and not trustworthy.
o the current dev team on the OP post is a lie and we as a community should demand the truth on who's still on the development team =
amDOGE: Founder of Pandacoin (PND). Takes part in community management, public relations, marketing, web development and maintenance for the PND wallet.
xfr: Senior programmer and cryptographer. Operates and maintains the multipool. Currently works as a Java lecturer and can code in multiple languages. My insider said xfr disappeared from the dev team since July last year, and ceased all contact with the team. Why is she/he listed as a dev even if he just maintains the multipool and no dev team member heard from him for over half a year?
Sakr: Senior Programmer with e-commerce, sys-admin and security/white hat hacking background. Can code in multiple languages This "Sakr" person is only listed as a filler person to boost dev numbers. Was supposed to be a dev member, but disappeared since March last year and not contributed to the team once.
Skirmant: Software and Mobile Applications developer. Proficient in C, C++, Java, Javascript & PHP programming languages. Skirmant was paid a bounty and only cloned the android wallet. Why is he still listed as a developer when he's not even in the development team? He/she is a contractor and is another filler to boost numbers
Brokencalculator: Business, executions and strategic consultant. Currently working for a large banking corporation, and his current position is to advise upper management on business direction Apparently got kicked out of the dev team half a year ago as he/she was suspected to be trading on insider information. Also was noted no contributions and is listed as another filler dev
Chris_Sze: Chinese Marketer, Community Manager and Translator. He works in the China and develops the Chinese PND community on Weibo, QQ, and Bitcointalk. Currently is the general manager of a manufacturing firm in China. Still around, but my insider said he does very little over on the China side, zero marketing.
Linux_Mint_Pal: Specialist in public education. Assists in marketing and in community outreach to the mainstream public. Currently tutoring Physics before moving on to a PhD program in Optics, and specializes in synthesizing complex information to a medium that is simple and easily understood by the mainstream. Disappeared and suspected of dumped PND long time ago.
This is a major issue. So many questions now unanswered, and we should demand answers together or PND will end up in the litoshis again.
o How can we trust the dev team or amdoge after they have deceived us?
o Why doesn't amdoge care as per above screenshot? doesnt she/he have 2 billion pnds? she dumped?
o Is anything being worked on anymore?
o Why were we left in the dark the whole time without any official responses?
o Who's really left in the dev team now and what do they do?
o Why do they hide and not go public with their identities?
I have been in contact with an ex-prominent dev member, and what that person had to expose to me in private is extremely alarming.
o amdoge is a fraud and a NEET with no skillsets besides js and basic coding that barely contributed to the past success of PND. The recent post by Mani highlighted that as a mercenary, he was responsible for all the past wallet innovations since August 31st, and amdoge had very little to do with it, with Ozzke/Bdanyo/Mani as the major driving forces for the past success. Amdoge was described as more of a background character that is arrogant and not trustworthy.
o the current dev team on the OP post is a lie and we as a community should demand the truth on who's still on the development team =
amDOGE: Founder of Pandacoin (PND). Takes part in community management, public relations, marketing, web development and maintenance for the PND wallet.
xfr: Senior programmer and cryptographer. Operates and maintains the multipool. Currently works as a Java lecturer and can code in multiple languages. My insider said xfr disappeared from the dev team since July last year, and ceased all contact with the team. Why is she/he listed as a dev even if he just maintains the multipool and no dev team member heard from him for over half a year?
Sakr: Senior Programmer with e-commerce, sys-admin and security/white hat hacking background. Can code in multiple languages This "Sakr" person is only listed as a filler person to boost dev numbers. Was supposed to be a dev member, but disappeared since March last year and not contributed to the team once.
Skirmant: Software and Mobile Applications developer. Proficient in C, C++, Java, Javascript & PHP programming languages. Skirmant was paid a bounty and only cloned the android wallet. Why is he still listed as a developer when he's not even in the development team? He/she is a contractor and is another filler to boost numbers
Brokencalculator: Business, executions and strategic consultant. Currently working for a large banking corporation, and his current position is to advise upper management on business direction Apparently got kicked out of the dev team half a year ago as he/she was suspected to be trading on insider information. Also was noted no contributions and is listed as another filler dev
Chris_Sze: Chinese Marketer, Community Manager and Translator. He works in the China and develops the Chinese PND community on Weibo, QQ, and Bitcointalk. Currently is the general manager of a manufacturing firm in China. Still around, but my insider said he does very little over on the China side, zero marketing.
Linux_Mint_Pal: Specialist in public education. Assists in marketing and in community outreach to the mainstream public. Currently tutoring Physics before moving on to a PhD program in Optics, and specializes in synthesizing complex information to a medium that is simple and easily understood by the mainstream. Disappeared and suspected of dumped PND long time ago.
This is a major issue. So many questions now unanswered, and we should demand answers together or PND will end up in the litoshis again.
o How can we trust the dev team or amdoge after they have deceived us?
o Why doesn't amdoge care as per above screenshot? doesnt she/he have 2 billion pnds? she dumped?
o Is anything being worked on anymore?
o Why were we left in the dark the whole time without any official responses?
o Who's really left in the dev team now and what do they do?
o Why do they hide and not go public with their identities?
Is this a test of our will? I reread absolutely everything from MaNI's beginning post on http://www.pandacointalk.com/index.php?topic=190.0 . It's all excruciating. So is "PNDisDEAD"'s FUD for thought. It'd be nice as hell to be able to counter all this fucking negativity and disappointment with action. I'd like us to take PandaX to the hilt and see it through. We need help, though, to be able to do it: like What is it?!! Can somebody please divulge it to one of us so we can make it happen? MaNI, you describe it as something magically powerful. I believe Ozzke has given his blessing, now why don't YOU hand it over to say, PhiPhi only, to preserve its confidentiality so that we have a chance to proceed with what you termed "a real game-changer." To just tease us with it, and divulge no more, is absolutely mean-spirited. Unless, that is, YOU are going to proceed with it as our paid mercenary. One way or the other, if PandaX is so "all that," then we need to enact it, bring it to fruition, and kick some major league cryptocurrency PND ASS with it. Understood?
March 12, 2015, 09:38:08 AM
Has a coin ever comeback from a community takeover from the original devs?
March 12, 2015, 09:12:05 AM
The dev team did an awesome job bringing PND to where it is today. PND is one of the best coins, if not THE best already.
The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community. While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up. This is where we are at right now.
Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon. They have done their part. Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.
We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.
BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today. PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community? You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.
Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.
its going to be hard to pull it off lol but youre right why did ozzke and bdanyo leave? The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community. While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up. This is where we are at right now.
Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon. They have done their part. Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.
We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.
BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today. PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community? You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.
Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.
http://www.pandacointalk.com/index.php?topic=190.0
Pandacointalk is the answer of almost every question.
I suggest you to check it and you will also see things aren't that bad as it seems here. We, the community are already working on regrouping and filling the gaps that opened without bdanyo and Ozzke.
Those who are spreading FUD here aren't real community members, they have no clue what's happening atm and also only cared about their money instead of fellow Pandas.
March 12, 2015, 09:11:49 AM
tl;dr:
bdanyo disapeared. At this point everyone's guess is that something fatal happened. He didn't sell his wallet and was all around a honest person (see his chat with jacobux) so it's not like he dumped and escaped.
ozzke was facing a burnout and has urgent personal things to go about. He's still around sometimes, just not as a comunity manager. He's a great person and I hope he's doing well.
bdanyo disapeared. At this point everyone's guess is that something fatal happened. He didn't sell his wallet and was all around a honest person (see his chat with jacobux) so it's not like he dumped and escaped.
ozzke was facing a burnout and has urgent personal things to go about. He's still around sometimes, just not as a comunity manager. He's a great person and I hope he's doing well.
March 12, 2015, 09:08:59 AM
Why don't they just come back? I am serious. Thank you.
March 12, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
The dev team did an awesome job bringing PND to where it is today. PND is one of the best coins, if not THE best already.
The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community. While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up. This is where we are at right now.
Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon. They have done their part. Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.
We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.
BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today. PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community? You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.
Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.
its going to be hard to pull it off lol but youre right why did ozzke and bdanyo leave? The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community. While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up. This is where we are at right now.
Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon. They have done their part. Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.
We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.
BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today. PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community? You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.
Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.
March 12, 2015, 08:42:15 AM
The dev team did an awesome job bringing PND to where it is today. PND is one of the best coins, if not THE best already.
The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community. While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up. This is where we are at right now.
Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon. They have done their part. Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.
We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.
BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today. PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community? You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.
Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.
The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community. While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up. This is where we are at right now.
Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon. They have done their part. Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.
We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.
BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today. PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community? You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.
Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.
March 12, 2015, 08:35:42 AM
i admit things dont look good :/
March 12, 2015, 07:27:29 AM
everyone is thinking the same thoughts.
Well they clearly are not, you are one of the active few right now thinking like this and you can't even do it using your usual identity. You make very bold and negative unsubstantiated claims under quite frankly a lame pseudonym, you are literally the epitome of a troll and for that reason I feel sorry for you. I hope one day you can come to some peace from the emotional trauma that is causing you so much anguish.
March 12, 2015, 05:27:52 AM
I'm not the type of person to call people names, generally speaking, but you, sir, are quite full of shit.
If you're actually sincerly genuinely concerned with PND you've chosen the worst way possible (anonimity, shit-talking, and factoids), but this time I won't give you the benefit of doubt, as your post is some of the finest carefully written fud.
amDOGE is one of the most straightforward people I've known, and she've never lied about anything from her compentences to the developments etc. The fact that your expectations don't meet amDOGE's position, which is more or less the same as a year ago.
Just reread the very screenshot you posted: amDOGE is CRYSTAL CLEAR about her positions, no lying, no deception, no bullshit. You got all the answers, right there, you can't get anymore straightforward than that. Quite the contatry of "being described (lol) as arrogant and not trustworthy".
PND has problems. The marketing team disintegrated, the dev list is outdated. Yes.
But people are already re-organizing, just have a look at pndcointalk.
tl;dr: If you're in good faith, you've chosen the worst way possible ("PNDisDEAD"? lol). If not, just go we don't need you here. Either way, you're full of shit.
If you're actually sincerly genuinely concerned with PND you've chosen the worst way possible (anonimity, shit-talking, and factoids), but this time I won't give you the benefit of doubt, as your post is some of the finest carefully written fud.
[...]Amdoge was described as more of a background character that is arrogant and not trustworthy.[...]
Was "described". By whom? What are you talking about? Arrogant? lol. Untrustworthy? You're stupid. amDOGE is one of the most straightforward people I've known, and she've never lied about anything from her compentences to the developments etc. The fact that your expectations don't meet amDOGE's position, which is more or less the same as a year ago.
Just reread the very screenshot you posted: amDOGE is CRYSTAL CLEAR about her positions, no lying, no deception, no bullshit. You got all the answers, right there, you can't get anymore straightforward than that. Quite the contatry of "being described (lol) as arrogant and not trustworthy".
PND has problems. The marketing team disintegrated, the dev list is outdated. Yes.
But people are already re-organizing, just have a look at pndcointalk.
tl;dr: If you're in good faith, you've chosen the worst way possible ("PNDisDEAD"? lol). If not, just go we don't need you here. Either way, you're full of shit.
March 12, 2015, 02:56:51 AM
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Chris_Sze: Chinese Marketer, Community Manager and Translator. He works in the China and develops the Chinese PND community on Weibo, QQ, and Bitcointalk. Currently is the general manager of a manufacturing firm in China. Still around, but my insider said he does very little over on the China side, zero marketing.
He organizes translation of all marketing material to Chinese - also the recent wallet translations to Chinese (both classical and traditional) - and does various other posts etc.That alone seems plenty to me, if he hasn't been active in the last month or two it is because the marketing team disintegrated so there is no more new material for him to translate.
March 12, 2015, 02:26:13 AM
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How can we trust the dev team or amdoge after they have deceived us?
Firstly deceived is really pushing it but anyway. As you yourself have pointed out there is no dev team anymore they have all left, so I guess this question is moot, who cares if you can trust people who are no longer with us.You only have to trust whoever the 'new' dev team is and the best way to do that is to be active in the new community effort to replace the 'dev team' with an active community.
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Why doesn't amdoge care as per above screenshot? doesnt she/he have 2 billion pnds? she dumped?
I don't think she has dumped, her address is AFAIK fairly common knowledge and AFAIK still has a huge amount of coins in it. You seem to be trying to spread FUD here...As for why amDOGE doesn't care I'm not sure the reason really matters that much, maybe amDOGE is depressed or maybe that is just how she is, she only started the coin because of wolong and that is now over so maybe she just doesn't have a goal anymore perhaps th e coin has outgrown her? Also though she may not be the wallet dev she does maintain various infastructure the webpage included and has done her part so its not fair to say she doesn't care entirely.
I personally would like to see her far more active too, but look at how far we already got without her, it definitely isn't a necessity.
Either way I don't see why dwelling on this is going to help - its time to focus on moving forward not to sit and cry about the past.
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Is anything being worked on anymore?
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Why were we left in the dark the whole time without any official responses?
1) It wasn't that long2) Everyone was probably hoping that bdanyo would return, it would be silly to tell everyone bdanyo is gone after only 2 weeks and then he suddenly rocks up so it was at least necessary to wait long enough for everyone to properly come tog rips with this.
3) Perhaps the remaining people were scared of a witch hunt by people like you.
Personally I think amDOGE should have said something sooner - but again what do we achieve crying about it? Rather focus energy towards building.
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Who's really left in the dev team now and what do they do?
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Why do they hide and not go public with their identities?
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But thanks for validating my research as facts
You are picking and choosing again, I said that "much of it" was "facts" not the entirety, a lot of it is half truths or presented in a delibrite way to make things look worse. March 12, 2015, 02:18:53 AM
With all due respect while much of your post is based on facts I personally have several problems with your post.
1) Why do you aim to tear things down instead of build, pnd is only dead if people like you intent on tearing it down make it so, there is no reason pnd could not go on to thrive from here - perhaps you should make yourself aware of all the *positive* talk going on at http://www.pandacointalk.com and become part of the solution instead of the problem.
2) You complain about others hiding their identity yet you make a special account to post under not even using your normal 'pseudo identity' - why not lead the way and at least have the guts to post under your normal nickname?
3) You paraphrase in a lot of places and put words that are not there - my post certainly doesn't show amDOGE to be 'untrustworthy' - unresponsive and disinterested, yes you could definitely say so but nowhere do I feel or insinuate that amDOGE is untrustworthy - I have no doubt that amDOGE can be trusted. I also definitely do not feel amDOGE to be arrogant, either as above only unresponsive and disinterested.
There could be many reasons for this other than arrogance, depression for instance.
1) Why do you aim to tear things down instead of build, pnd is only dead if people like you intent on tearing it down make it so, there is no reason pnd could not go on to thrive from here - perhaps you should make yourself aware of all the *positive* talk going on at http://www.pandacointalk.com and become part of the solution instead of the problem.
2) You complain about others hiding their identity yet you make a special account to post under not even using your normal 'pseudo identity' - why not lead the way and at least have the guts to post under your normal nickname?
3) You paraphrase in a lot of places and put words that are not there - my post certainly doesn't show amDOGE to be 'untrustworthy' - unresponsive and disinterested, yes you could definitely say so but nowhere do I feel or insinuate that amDOGE is untrustworthy - I have no doubt that amDOGE can be trusted. I also definitely do not feel amDOGE to be arrogant, either as above only unresponsive and disinterested.
There could be many reasons for this other than arrogance, depression for instance.
I'm merely speaking behalf of those that are too scared of 'FUDDING' that might impact short term price. But really, everyone is thinking the same thoughts.
But thanks for validating my research as facts, as I was not sure whether my insider was telling 100% truth. But it seems like the current dev member list needs a massive overhaul, and that we've been lied to for months about who was actually working on the coin.
The space needs transparency, and we're getting none.
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