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Topic: Points, Miles, Cash-back... Should we create similar systems in bitcoin? - page 2. (Read 311 times)

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I'm not 100% sure if by "creating similar systems in Bitcoin" you mean that we should have more merchants adopting this cashback/points system or you meant that we should have this system somehow directly implemented in the Bitcoin Core. With the second option, I don't know honestly if it's even realizable..


Hell no!
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I would personally stay away from linking Bitcoin to any bank-like systems. Guess we all know banks are there not to help us but to bait us into basically debt slavery.

I'm not 100% sure if by "creating similar systems in Bitcoin" you mean that we should have more merchants adopting this cashback/points system or you meant that we should have this system somehow directly implemented in the Bitcoin Core. With the second option, I don't know honestly if it's even realizable..

As others answered before me, there are already merchants doing these discounts. It is completely their choice and should stay that way. But while this kind of system would bait more people into BTC, do we really need to bait anyone or do we want natural adoption? I personally believe the latter is way healthier.

Now on the other hand, considering we'll soon enough have to confront a quite harsh battle between BTC and national cryptos, these "baits" and assimilating BTC with them/banks could come in as a very handy thing to convince people that financial freedom is way more important..
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but there is nothing that we can do about it! this is a merchant related decision based on their business model. whether they want to give interesting offers depends on how much of their revenue they want to be in form of bitcoin.
besides people who use bitcoin are doing it because they want what the decentralization offers them without a middle man to snoop around in their pockets or blocks them from using their money.
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Simple, all I'm saying is that merchants can give a 2% discount on payment with bitcoins rather than credit cards...

That is already being done. For example, at APMEX:

Quantity    Check/Wire    BTC/BCH    CC/PayPal
1 - 9    $2,097.29    $2,119.14    $2,184.68
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I think it's impossible to add a credit system direct to bitcoin and i will explain why. If the bank loans you $1000 with 10% interest, then you have to get that extra $100 from somewhere. And bitcoin has a number of coins, so, since people can't create more coins from nowhere (Like banks printing money) the most of the people will not be able to pay back the loan with interest.

OP never mentioned anywhere that a credit system should be created.

He is talking about the advantages credit cards have (points, miles, cash back).
Further, he proposed something like 1%-2% cash back / rebate when paying with BTC than compared to paying with FIAT.


@OP
There are already crypto cards available which give you cashback in crypto when using them.
Further, each merchant would have to decide for him/herself when accepting crypto. Nothing speaks against merchants giving a discount when paying with specific payment methods. Actually this is being utilized already (not with crypto tho afaik).

I am not sure what kind of system you are thinking about which would be needed.

Simple, all I'm saying is that merchants can give a 2% discount on payment with bitcoins rather than credit cards...


For example if a taxi driver charged $10 using a credit card, they can charge $9.80 using bitcoin as they will avoid the credit card merchant fees.

So the person paying with bitcoin pays less, and that not only offsets the rewards offered by a credit card (cash back, miles, points) but it's also faster since you don't have to wait to earn rewards and it's clearer since you don't have to worry about Merchant Category Codes (MCCs)

That's a good start I think, and it would only be natural for it to be implemented.

Certain merchants like gas station might do individual loyalty programs +2% discount. So you get stacking benefits. Perhaps separating loyalty programs from  payment methods is the best way, so you get the best deal using both a loyalty program and a more advantegeous payment method.

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I think it's impossible to add a credit system direct to bitcoin and i will explain why. If the bank loans you $1000 with 10% interest, then you have to get that extra $100 from somewhere. And bitcoin has a number of coins, so, since people can't create more coins from nowhere (Like banks printing money) the most of the people will not be able to pay back the loan with interest.

OP never mentioned anywhere that a credit system should be created.

He is talking about the advantages credit cards have (points, miles, cash back).
Further, he proposed something like 1%-2% cash back / rebate when paying with BTC than compared to paying with FIAT.


@OP
There are already crypto cards available which give you cashback in crypto when using them.
Further, each merchant would have to decide for him/herself when accepting crypto. Nothing speaks against merchants giving a discount when paying with specific payment methods. Actually this is being utilized already (not with crypto tho afaik).

I am not sure what kind of system you are thinking about which would be needed.
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Credit cards lure customers in with all this nonsense. The money has to come from somewhere, so I think the most reasonable thing we can do with bitcoin is make it so that it undercuts credit cards by being the cheaper option (since the merchants won't be charged fees).

So with bitcoin a merchant could charge 1.3-3.5% less than with credit cards and use the money of the future.

I understand that this is a minor issue. I'm here for inflation free money that can't be confiscated by the government and the banks in the blink of an eye. But it can't hurt to give ourselves an edge when it comes to credit cards.

Pay with bitcoin and save 2% as the standard (over credit cards) would go a long way if we want bitcoin to spread.

I think it's impossible to add a credit system direct to bitcoin and i will explain why. If the bank loans you $1000 with 10% interest, then you have to get that extra $100 from somewhere. And bitcoin has a number of coins, so, since people can't create more coins from nowhere (Like banks printing money) the most of the people will not be able to pay back the loan with interest.

If you think this example is wrong is because you are thinking in small amounts, but thing about 10,000 btc loans and it will work Wink
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Credit cards lure customers in with all this nonsense. The money has to come from somewhere, so I think the most reasonable thing we can do with bitcoin is make it so that it undercuts credit cards by being the cheaper option (since the merchants won't be charged fees).

So with bitcoin a merchant could charge 1.3-3.5% less than with credit cards and use the money of the future.

I understand that this is a minor issue. I'm here for inflation free money that can't be confiscated by the government and the banks in the blink of an eye. But it can't hurt to give ourselves an edge when it comes to credit cards.

Pay with bitcoin and save 2% as the standard (over credit cards) would go a long way if we want bitcoin to spread.

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