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Quote from: mak013 on January 11, 2023, 02:16:52 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 10, 2023, 04:30:39 AM

~I personally think that playing in free-to-enter tournaments is bad for your knowledge of the game, but starting from a $1 buy-in you can get a good initial practice, and then move to a $10 buy-in, which is actually better.

Yes, it is so. I tried free-to-enter, free-rolls tournaments, even won several times, but i understood fast enough that i see mostly newbies that try to bluff without strategy or playing as it was written in the book "How to win poker in 3 days". In $1 buy-in i saw not so many "allin-ers" but the quality of players was really low. I`m not serious player but it was boring even for me. Now i play with $5-10 buy-in and it is about my level. But i feel that i need increase it to level up my skills and spend much more time playing.

Only don't make another job out of it. Just have fun playing.

$5-$10 buy-ins are about my level too, and although you can still see those all-inners in such tournaments too, you can simply ignore them, because there's only a few of them, one at a table or even less. You can't be ignoring them if there's half of the players like that.

Quote from: noormcs5 on January 12, 2023, 12:48:13 AM

Quote from: mak013 on January 11, 2023, 02:16:52 PM

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Yes, it is so. I tried free-to-enter, free-rolls tournaments, even won several times, but i understood fast enough that i see mostly newbies that try to bluff without strategy or playing as it was written in the book "How to win poker in 3 days". In $1 buy-in i saw not so many "allin-ers" but the quality of players was really low. I`m not serious player but it was boring even for me. Now i play with $5-10 buy-in and it is about my level. But i feel that i need increase it to level up my skills and spend much more time playing.

So do you think that you need to buy the poker course in order to level up your skills ?
Personally, experience teaches you many things which books may not be able to tell you. Personally, if I needed to level up my skills I may find free tutorials for it on internet and youtube and then practice them to level up my skill set. [/quote]

You are absolutely right, especially regarding YouTube. While tutorials feel like dead books to me, recently uploaded videos are fun to watch, and you can learn some latest poker strategies from them.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on January 12, 2023, 12:48:13 AM

Quote from: mak013 on January 11, 2023, 02:16:52 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 10, 2023, 04:30:39 AM

Quote from: mak013 on January 04, 2023, 09:05:38 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 04, 2023, 07:02:48 AM

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I think that they have no interest to spend time playing low stakes oO but i believe you. The same time i never meet overskilled players in such tournaments.
As for me, you always have to play yourself to understand why it works and how it works. When you look videos you see what they do, but don`t understand why. May be i mistake, but i think that you need play by yourself to level up.

No, you are absolutely right, it goes without saying that practice is very important. What I meant was that you don't necessarily need to play with the best of the best to learn from them, you can watch how they play on YouTube. But, of course, as in any other field, theoretical knowledge is nothing without practice.

I personally think that playing in free-to-enter tournaments is bad for your knowledge of the game, but starting from a $1 buy-in you can get a good initial practice, and then move to a $10 buy-in, which is actually better.

Yes, it is so. I tried free-to-enter, free-rolls tournaments, even won several times, but i understood fast enough that i see mostly newbies that try to bluff without strategy or playing as it was written in the book "How to win poker in 3 days". In $1 buy-in i saw not so many "allin-ers" but the quality of players was really low. I`m not serious player but it was boring even for me. Now i play with $5-10 buy-in and it is about my level. But i feel that i need increase it to level up my skills and spend much more time playing.

So do you think that you need to buy the poker course in order to level up your skills ?
Personally, experience teaches you many things which books may not be able to tell you. Personally, if I needed to level up my skills I may find free tutorials for it on internet and youtube and then practice them to level up my skill set.

Nope. I`m not high level poker player. Even on my level to level up i need to spend much time in game and i haven`t so much time. And now i can watch or read different free courses and watch videos of top-players as @Betwrong says. But i can suppose that there are some paid courses(not these ones the OP try to sell) that can help to understand some moments on really high level.

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Quote from: mak013 on January 11, 2023, 02:16:52 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 10, 2023, 04:30:39 AM

Quote from: mak013 on January 04, 2023, 09:05:38 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 04, 2023, 07:02:48 AM

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I think that they have no interest to spend time playing low stakes oO but i believe you. The same time i never meet overskilled players in such tournaments.
As for me, you always have to play yourself to understand why it works and how it works. When you look videos you see what they do, but don`t understand why. May be i mistake, but i think that you need play by yourself to level up.

No, you are absolutely right, it goes without saying that practice is very important. What I meant was that you don't necessarily need to play with the best of the best to learn from them, you can watch how they play on YouTube. But, of course, as in any other field, theoretical knowledge is nothing without practice.

I personally think that playing in free-to-enter tournaments is bad for your knowledge of the game, but starting from a $1 buy-in you can get a good initial practice, and then move to a $10 buy-in, which is actually better.

Yes, it is so. I tried free-to-enter, free-rolls tournaments, even won several times, but i understood fast enough that i see mostly newbies that try to bluff without strategy or playing as it was written in the book "How to win poker in 3 days". In $1 buy-in i saw not so many "allin-ers" but the quality of players was really low. I`m not serious player but it was boring even for me. Now i play with $5-10 buy-in and it is about my level. But i feel that i need increase it to level up my skills and spend much more time playing.

So do you think that you need to buy the poker course in order to level up your skills ?
Personally, experience teaches you many things which books may not be able to tell you. Personally, if I needed to level up my skills I may find free tutorials for it on internet and youtube and then practice them to level up my skill set.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 10, 2023, 04:30:39 AM

Quote from: mak013 on January 04, 2023, 09:05:38 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 04, 2023, 07:02:48 AM

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I think that they have no interest to spend time playing low stakes oO but i believe you. The same time i never meet overskilled players in such tournaments.
As for me, you always have to play yourself to understand why it works and how it works. When you look videos you see what they do, but don`t understand why. May be i mistake, but i think that you need play by yourself to level up.

No, you are absolutely right, it goes without saying that practice is very important. What I meant was that you don't necessarily need to play with the best of the best to learn from them, you can watch how they play on YouTube. But, of course, as in any other field, theoretical knowledge is nothing without practice.

I personally think that playing in free-to-enter tournaments is bad for your knowledge of the game, but starting from a $1 buy-in you can get a good initial practice, and then move to a $10 buy-in, which is actually better.

Yes, it is so. I tried free-to-enter, free-rolls tournaments, even won several times, but i understood fast enough that i see mostly newbies that try to bluff without strategy or playing as it was written in the book "How to win poker in 3 days". In $1 buy-in i saw not so many "allin-ers" but the quality of players was really low. I`m not serious player but it was boring even for me. Now i play with $5-10 buy-in and it is about my level. But i feel that i need increase it to level up my skills and spend much more time playing.

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Quote from: mak013 on January 04, 2023, 09:05:38 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 04, 2023, 07:02:48 AM

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I think that they have no interest to spend time playing low stakes oO but i believe you. The same time i never meet overskilled players in such tournaments.
As for me, you always have to play yourself to understand why it works and how it works. When you look videos you see what they do, but don`t understand why. May be i mistake, but i think that you need play by yourself to level up.

No, you are absolutely right, it goes without saying that practice is very important. What I meant was that you don't necessarily need to play with the best of the best to learn from them, you can watch how they play on YouTube. But, of course, as in any other field, theoretical knowledge is nothing without practice.

I personally think that playing in free-to-enter tournaments is bad for your knowledge of the game, but starting from a $1 buy-in you can get a good initial practice, and then move to a $10 buy-in, which is actually better.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 04, 2023, 07:02:48 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 29, 2022, 07:53:37 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 29, 2022, 04:41:12 AM

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Yes, at first, when just copy the game style of the best players, we don't understand why it works most of the time. But, trust me, with a lot of practice, and I mean practice on the battlefield with real players, not with bots, not with your friends, but with real online players, who want to beat you, eventually you will start to understand why the style of the best in the business works.

I agree that the best experience is that experience you`ve got by yourself, but it this way you spend your time and money to level up your skills. I think that it is true for everything but in such situation the price can be to big for studying. And if you`ll play low-level competitions you can`t see the true skilled players.

Firstly, true skilled players do play low stakes online, it's a known fact. But I agree that the probability of meeting them at the tables is extremely low when it's not a $1,000+ buy-in.

But do you actually need to play with them to level up your skills? Imo, it's better to watch them playing with each other, the best with the best, in recently uploaded videos on YouTube.

I think that they have no interest to spend time playing low stakes oO but i believe you. The same time i never meet overskilled players in such tournaments.
As for me, you always have to play yourself to understand why it works and how it works. When you look videos you see what they do, but don`t understand why. May be i mistake, but i think that you need play by yourself to level up.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 29, 2022, 07:53:37 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 29, 2022, 04:41:12 AM

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Yes, at first, when just copy the game style of the best players, we don't understand why it works most of the time. But, trust me, with a lot of practice, and I mean practice on the battlefield with real players, not with bots, not with your friends, but with real online players, who want to beat you, eventually you will start to understand why the style of the best in the business works.

I agree that the best experience is that experience you`ve got by yourself, but it this way you spend your time and money to level up your skills. I think that it is true for everything but in such situation the price can be to big for studying. And if you`ll play low-level competitions you can`t see the true skilled players.

Firstly, true skilled players do play low stakes online, it's a known fact. But I agree that the probability of meeting them at the tables is extremely low when it's not a $1,000+ buy-in.

But do you actually need to play with them to level up your skills? Imo, it's better to watch them playing with each other, the best with the best, in recently uploaded videos on YouTube.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 29, 2022, 04:41:12 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 24, 2022, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 24, 2022, 03:23:47 AM

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We don`t know how qualified is this someone, but there is one moment i`m sure in. This thread was started about half a year ago, so these courses were actual a half a year ago or more. So i don`t sure that it can be useful today, may be if you study online...
When you watch YouTube games, you see just the result. If we will just copy their play, we can`t understand why they do so, and if we get situation we haven`t seen we can`t get the right answer how to play.

Yes, at first, when just copy the game style of the best players, we don't understand why it works most of the time. But, trust me, with a lot of practice, and I mean practice on the battlefield with real players, not with bots, not with your friends, but with real online players, who want to beat you, eventually you will start to understand why the style of the best in the business works.

I agree that the best experience is that experience you`ve got by yourself, but it this way you spend your time and money to level up your skills. I think that it is true for everything but in such situation the price can be to big for studying. And if you`ll play low-level competitions you can`t see the true skilled players.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 24, 2022, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 24, 2022, 03:23:47 AM

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We don`t know how qualified is this someone, but there is one moment i`m sure in. This thread was started about half a year ago, so these courses were actual a half a year ago or more. So i don`t sure that it can be useful today, may be if you study online...
When you watch YouTube games, you see just the result. If we will just copy their play, we can`t understand why they do so, and if we get situation we haven`t seen we can`t get the right answer how to play.

Yes, at first, when just copy the game style of the best players, we don't understand why it works most of the time. But, trust me, with a lot of practice, and I mean practice on the battlefield with real players, not with bots, not with your friends, but with real online players, who want to beat you, eventually you will start to understand why the style of the best in the business works.

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Quote from: virasog on December 24, 2022, 11:12:41 AM

Why are people not buying the course? Mainly because most of gamblers think they are experts in gambling and buying this course won't help.

Where do you see the OP is asking for money for the poker course?

If you see the OP, he is offering to help for free. By the way, you can also find a lot of free material on YouTube regarding Poker, so even if OP is not active, you can still learn from other sources.

Quote from: SkyGamer on July 09, 2022, 09:46:52 AM

As a poker player, I am offering help on how to get started and start crushing the micros for free.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on December 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM

Quote from: Desmong on December 05, 2022, 06:22:37 PM

Quote from: tabas on November 29, 2022, 06:47:41 PM

After reading a few of his replies, he seems to be claiming that he's a successful poker player so this is going to be an easy thing for him if he wants to have a demo that he's got from those courses that he's got.
But his last reply was since July and then he's online last Nov. 12 so basically, he's still on this thread looking out for the replies of the others and this could reach him back whenever he's back to this thread even he's offline.

I hope he should have gotten what he's looking for since there had been so many replies from people that make everyone to be alert so know what they want and what they can get from all these. Selling a poker course should not be a problem here but the mist difficult part which is absurd is selling what is not rightly yours which is what many is kicking against.

There's over 200 plus reply in this thread already but many of them are not about the interest of buying the course. The only way to know if the op actually get some clients is by letting him confirm here or that person that bought his course post his feedback here. That should change the view of others and who knows, they might also be interested to try it out.

There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

Why are people not buying the course? Mainly because most of gamblers think they are experts in gambling and buying this course won't help.

Secondly, there is no feedback about the course. If anyone would have taken the course and shared the feedback, it would be much better for those who had doubt on the usefulness of the course.

Finally, OP is not active on the thread anymore so he might have abandoned this service or is not interested in selling this course.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 24, 2022, 03:23:47 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 19, 2022, 07:57:23 AM

~ You can spend a lot of time learning and using courses, or you can save your time by using someone else's experience. At the same time, there are many such courses or just information about poker strategies for free so you don`t need to pay. At least until you are ready for big tournaments. I think that only serious gamers may need the subtleties that are found in large tournaments and their analysis.

And if you are going to play in those big tournaments, tournaments with hundreds of thousands of USD buy-ins, you will hardly benefit from advice of someone who has never played in them, and knows only theoretically how to play there. Isn't it better to watch on YouTube how the best guys in the business play and learn from them?

We don`t know how qualified is this someone, but there is one moment i`m sure in. This thread was started about half a year ago, so these courses were actual a half a year ago or more. So i don`t sure that it can be useful today, may be if you study online...
When you watch YouTube games, you see just the result. If we will just copy their play, we can`t understand why they do so, and if we get situation we haven`t seen we can`t get the right answer how to play.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 19, 2022, 07:57:23 AM

~ You can spend a lot of time learning and using courses, or you can save your time by using someone else's experience. At the same time, there are many such courses or just information about poker strategies for free so you don`t need to pay. At least until you are ready for big tournaments. I think that only serious gamers may need the subtleties that are found in large tournaments and their analysis.

And if you are going to play in those big tournaments, tournaments with hundreds of thousands of USD buy-ins, you will hardly benefit from advice of someone who has never played in them, and knows only theoretically how to play there. Isn't it better to watch on YouTube how the best guys in the business play and learn from them?

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Quote from: BlackRexuz on December 12, 2022, 10:43:39 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 05:54:49 AM

Quote from: SirLancelot on December 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM

~ There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

but spending your time on some useless courses is what we don't need too, right? Then, also, the following can happen: you learn a technique, you win with it, and thinking it's working you pay for the courses, while in fact you were winning just because of luck, and the technique you've learned simply works like any other, it works until it doesn't.

Actually it doesn't matter if he has a lot of money to take poker courses, but it looks funny to me, because I just found out that someone opened a training place to play poker, actually you just need technique in playing poker, at least learn someone's moves in owning cards bad or good cards, of course there are special movements to find out the opponent's cards, and back to the players how to bully opponents so they make sure our cards are in a good position.

You can spend a lot of time learning and using courses, or you can save your time by using someone else's experience. At the same time, there are many such courses or just information about poker strategies for free so you don`t need to pay. At least until you are ready for big tournaments. I think that only serious gamers may need the subtleties that are found in large tournaments and their analysis.

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Quote from: BlackRexuz on December 12, 2022, 10:43:39 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 05:54:49 AM

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Actually it doesn't matter if he has a lot of money to take poker courses, but it looks funny to me, because I just found out that someone opened a training place to play poker, actually you just need technique in playing poker, at least learn someone's moves in owning cards bad or good cards, of course there are special movements to find out the opponent's cards, and back to the players how to bully opponents so they make sure our cards are in a good position.

If your opponent has a hand that he/she knows is good most of the time, they will never fold to your bluff, however skillful it was. And if you are doing this "bullying" too often, they can even call your bluff with a not very nice hand and win. Constant bluffing used to be the best strategy in the past, but not anymore. Now it's more like the opposite is what makes you win. It's when you have a great hand and make your opponents to believe you are bluffing.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 05:54:49 AM

Quote from: SirLancelot on December 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM

~ There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

I personally don't think OP was aimed at stealing someone's money, but spending your time on some useless courses is what we don't need too, right? Then, also, the following can happen: you learn a technique, you win with it, and thinking it's working you pay for the courses, while in fact you were winning just because of luck, and the technique you've learned simply works like any other, it works until it doesn't.

Yes he don't have that intention which I know and if the buyers have any problem or are afraid then they can escrow the money so that when the buyers get what they want, the funds will be released to the owners which will look very good and helping each other. I think they should be many interested buyers that could be massaged the op on his offer.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 05:54:49 AM

Quote from: SirLancelot on December 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM

~ There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

but spending your time on some useless courses is what we don't need too, right? Then, also, the following can happen: you learn a technique, you win with it, and thinking it's working you pay for the courses, while in fact you were winning just because of luck, and the technique you've learned simply works like any other, it works until it doesn't.

Actually it doesn't matter if he has a lot of money to take poker courses, but it looks funny to me, because I just found out that someone opened a training place to play poker, actually you just need technique in playing poker, at least learn someone's moves in owning cards bad or good cards, of course there are special movements to find out the opponent's cards, and back to the players how to bully opponents so they make sure our cards are in a good position.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 12, 2022, 05:54:49 AM

Quote from: SirLancelot on December 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM

~ There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

I personally don't think OP was aimed at stealing someone's money, but spending your time on some useless courses is what we don't need too, right? Then, also, the following can happen: you learn a technique, you win with it, and thinking it's working you pay for the courses, while in fact you were winning just because of luck, and the technique you've learned simply works like any other, it works until it doesn't.

I don't think OP is forcing anyone to get coached. As long as escrow service still exist on the forum then one can take advantage of it. No technique in gambling is good enough to promise a consistent win but there are techniques that are designed to improve and limit losses. As long as the lesson is been delivered in real time OP deserves a chance to express and impact.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on December 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM

~ There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

I personally don't think OP was aimed at stealing someone's money, but spending your time on some useless courses is what we don't need too, right? Then, also, the following can happen: you learn a technique, you win with it, and thinking it's working you pay for the courses, while in fact you were winning just because of luck, and the technique you've learned simply works like any other, it works until it doesn't.

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Quote from: Desmong on December 05, 2022, 06:22:37 PM

Quote from: tabas on November 29, 2022, 06:47:41 PM

After reading a few of his replies, he seems to be claiming that he's a successful poker player so this is going to be an easy thing for him if he wants to have a demo that he's got from those courses that he's got.
But his last reply was since July and then he's online last Nov. 12 so basically, he's still on this thread looking out for the replies of the others and this could reach him back whenever he's back to this thread even he's offline.

I hope he should have gotten what he's looking for since there had been so many replies from people that make everyone to be alert so know what they want and what they can get from all these. Selling a poker course should not be a problem here but the mist difficult part which is absurd is selling what is not rightly yours which is what many is kicking against.

There's over 200 plus reply in this thread already but many of them are not about the interest of buying the course. The only way to know if the op actually get some clients is by letting him confirm here or that person that bought his course post his feedback here. That should change the view of others and who knows, they might also be interested to try it out.

There is still a free trial to see if the op is really good at it. I think the op isn't selling a kind of e-book or pdf but he clearly mentioned that he was a coach so I expect that the lesson that we will be getting are delivered in real time. This is a proof that no stealing is involved in here.

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