Topic: Poker tournaments why tournaments in other games - page 3. (Read 2124 times)

It is pretty common in the poker world to stake each other for big tournaments. All the top poker players know each other and once you reach your first big payouts it becomes much better to spread your risk than to take it all on your own. In the big tournaments with hundreds of players the chance of winning is small, even for the professional poker player. He might make it into the money, but for reaching the first place you need to be lucky. And it also affects your strategy if you only play to reach the money, or if you want to win the tournament. Sharing some of their profits with other players helps to diversify risks and can lead to payouts even if you got knocked out of the tournament. Daniel Negreanu is doing that even for his fans, you can buy different structured packages before the WSOP each year and make a profit whenever he makes money in a tournament. It kind of similar when people at the final table make a deal among each other to split the money based on their poker rating and then only play for who gets the bracelet. Poker player are business man and are looking for ways to get the most money out of a situation. In tournaments once the rebuy phase is over things can go wrong very fast, imagine getting AA and the chip leader puts you all in preflop only to see his 99 hand hitting a 9 on the turn and you are out of the tournament.

It has been quite a time that we have seen some poker tournaments on the forum and few months I have personally played the game on any site.But it was really good to participate along with the forum members like on Betnomi and SwC poker with some good rewards as well and there was lot of excitement among members in the thread about it.But when you play along the real players the situation is entirely different and you have to skillfully handle each hand to see if you can make a good pair out of it and your balance on the table.

Have you just created this thread for your own benefits as to post your daily counts? because in your OP the topic stands as question but this post of yours seems to be you understand what you are asking for?
this sounds for me that there is no need for the thread to run as you already knew what is that?
poker is a game to gamble , so  like every games? there are different type of players in each games.

No, I'm not just thinking of professionals, and it's something I've explained repeatedly. Twice in this thread. I am not a professional player, I am a regular player, known also as "reg" and I have earned money playing poker for years, which complements the money I earn with my main job and other sources of income, like the signature campaigns here.

So you don't have to be a pro to make money in poker.


LOL.

Yes, you better not play poker.

Professional players base their strategies on averaging winning. Sometimes it may be as little as an advantage of 1 in 50 or 1 in 20 if playing with less experienced players, but that is it. This means that they need to play as many games as possible and make sure that the strategy is correct in each and everyone of them. Not an easy task and one that requires plenty of preparation.

Yes, that is the most correct and I think that this is the only way to see poker as one of the games that can be compared to chess, because it has a lot to do with its calculation, seeing poker in this way I think it is much deeper where emotions are left aside and it gives you that tranquility and peace of mind when playing, something very similar to when playing chess, the player does not think if he will win or lose, he only calculates each move and studies at least what he can do it in 3, 4, 5 or if I could see more moves, it's much better, I think that level of understanding refers, but to get there I think you need a lot of knowledge and experience.

What you say is very interesting and it makes a lot of sense when we play poker in a tournament that is online, that is like an all against all, we do not know who we are playing against, if they are professional or not, but there is something that must be taken into account that we can be novices and we can face a poker professional who lives from poker, then this is something that is both fair and undeserved, just because we are all in ideal conditions, and it is not deserved when it is up to a player to face a professional because obviously the professional would win, although in cards and poker much depends on luck.

You are thinking of a professional poker player, but not all poker players are professional, so the one that wins on the long run is a guy like Phil Helmut or Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey. Of course, those people will always end up earning some money when they get in, hell they are offered entry fee by others, just to share the winning pot if they win, meaning they may not even have to pay for anything anymore, they either win something or win nothing but not even lose anything.

So, if I start gambling poker, I would be terrible at it, and would lose in the long run, but those famous poker players would win, there is a big big difference.

Both require knowledge and good analysis, but the fact that poker games are still luck based, no matter how skilled you are or how good in money management, there are always more visible inevitable losses for professional poker players than in professional traders. Because as long as it’s gambling that is a gamble of chance and luck, even professional poker players are still subject for losses.

It depends on which kind of tournaments you are looking for, the large tournaments with thousands of players are rare and mostly publicity events. But there are quite a few smaller tournaments that have quite a high chance of finishing up in the money. For me the best thing are sit and go games with 30-100 players. They offer large enough price pools to make it worth playing a few hours and you usually have the option to rebuy if you fail with your first bullet. The good thing about these micro tournaments is that they are offered in different buyin sizes and run many times a day. There are fixed times and you can plan your evening accordingly. And when playing online you can play multiple games at once.

You've never been on a poker tournament that involves real people I guess mate. I don't think you're aware on the bitcointalk poker tournaments that was held by forum members here and if really not, you may check this recent one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betnomibitcointalk-forum-poker-series2500-grand-final-whole-field-gets-paid-5382245, this one isn't against a bot.

Tournament can be also be a series of set games of different matches but same game, it can involve playing with the computer or with other player and a single play mode can also be activated, it has an unfinished task that always comes in episodes or stages, you build yourself with potentials, skills, weapons and all the requirements for engaging a battle and the tournament match start as an adventure that proceeds from step to step, most arcade games are found in this category, action/thriller and car racing games were also common in playing games in tournament.

That's probably because what you've written has more to do with quota than with contributing anything meaningful to the discussion.

Of course, tournaments are what they are, and not what they seem or fail to seem to him.


From your comments it is clear that you have played poker and understand it, so I doubt if this is a typo:

A skilled poker player tends to win in the long run. There are only a few exceptions:

1) That he moves up levels and ends up playing at a level where he has no edge. Therefore, assuming he manages his bankroll well, he has to go down a level.
2) He is going through a bad psychological moment in his life, which leads to alcohol or drug consumption and that affects his gambling.
3) In the case of big tournaments played live, the variance can last for months or years without significant results. Thus there have been a few players who quit the modality or poker altogether.

But a winning NL100 SH player, settled at the level for years and who wins at 6bb/100h, and hasn't dabbled in alcohol or drugs is always going to win in the long run.

Without doubt, this is one of the strangest posts that this thread has and that I have seen in relation to poker.

In any case, your poker skills are measured in the game, not in what is said or intended to be shown in a comment, you can be a good connoisseur of the game and have exceptional analysis, it happens in many areas but that does not imply that in practice you have that skills, in poker, being an analyst or expert in the field does not guarantee the result as winning player in the long term, that in essence is the magic of poker, open to any type of player, even the fish are winners at some point.

On the other hand, online poker is played against another player, the forum has at least 7 registered series and more than 50 players have gone through these series, but that does not imply that there are more players, anyway, You want play poker!, it is very easy to do it, so not there are excuses if you feel like it.

The tournaments in poker are very limited, seeing the comments of people who are very up to date with what has to do with poker, the forum is not interested in poker or is what active players are giving a very subliminal message, they care about is games where there are no complications and they can win or lose whether it is against the casino or not.

I have not seen game tournaments, a tournament for me is when people face each other, and they do not fight against a computer, or against a system, I have never been in tournaments that have the impression and communication with others, I think it is the most typical way to raise the adrenaline and with money, with poker I have not seen here but only against the computer and almost all casinos have poker games.

Not really.

10 Poker Players Who Went Broke

These are just 10 but there are many more. Even Negreanu went broke several times in the past:

Being Broke but Never Quitting: The Years That Built Daniel Negreanu’s Career

In the case of very high buy-in tournaments or even high stakes games, it is relatively common for professional players to play with the financial support of others (who provide part of the necessary funds in exchange for a share of the profits).

Poker as a career is not only about playing well, but also about having great emotional control and knowing how to manage your finances. Another very common thing is the players who become established and start earning serious money, many start spending as if there were no tomorrow, exponentially increasing their consumption and lifestyle, instead of taking advantage to ensure an economic cushion and a huge bankroll. Then come the rough patches and they have to go looking for financial support and stuff.

There are actually more and more tournament formats becoming active every single day in the form of esports. These are essentially a form of electronic game just like poker is replicating the real world card games. They're also getting more popular with bookmakers as they can have huge fanbases that could potentially be drawn into placing a bet with the right sort of prompting. You used to only see games like Dota and CS:GO on most gambling sites, but there are more modern games being offered now at some of the biggest sportbooks like FIFA. I expect this market to get even bigger over time, the trick is the ability to prevent any cheating so potentially only live events where no tampering can happen will be tolerated.

It is very common for a professional poker player to say phrases or habsurd things for anyone like "never mind, I lost playing well..." There are cooler (e.g.) that seem meaningless...for most but have EV+.  The long term defines the good poker player and is the reason for such phrases, because the professional or that player who knows what he does does not play with having luck in his favor plays with EV +.

Yes, this is a very good way, but don't worry, there are many ways to learn to play with more precision, but it's good that you play and play because experience is also what makes a person grow, for me poker is It is a very popular game and it is excellent to bet on, poker tournaments have more chances of winning, you just have to play very discreetly so that other players do not take the routines or patterns with which you play, that is a very peculiar way of knowing how a person plays and how to play it, this is something that can be taken into account for every player.

Each person has his style of play and that is what everyone is looking for, to know how they do it to establish their strategy.


You are right, the psychological aspect I think has everything for the best decision making, I know that many people when they are on a good run only think that they will win and they will win, the concept they have about failure is very little, and really that is not wrong, they have an excellent positivism, but before winning every player must imagine a scenario where he fails because it is better to have his feet firmly on the ground.

However, the most famous poker players are people who usually have a lot of money to withstand any loss, perhaps that is one of the things why professionals recover quickly.

Well, that's fine in theory, but we're all human and even the most seasoned professionals sometimes let emotions get in the way of their gambling decisions.

First I want to repeat a distinction that I often mention in these threads but that most people don't seem to understand: between professional and regular players.

Both types of players are quite similar in that they are long term winners, take poker as a job and take care to make the most rational decisions possible (EV+). The difference between these two types of players is that the professionals are dedicated exclusively to poker and the regulars have a main job but with poker they earn extra income. That and the level of income. The average professional makes much more money than the average regulars, who can be found in micro-limits (although these regular are often people who are learning).

A regular or professional poker player when he bets, if he does it well, is not thinking about the value of the money the chips have, he is calculating an EV+ move in the most emotionally neutral way possible. A recreational player or fish, on the other hand, is usually an occasional player who is thinking about the cash value of the chips, going up if he wins or going into tilt if he loses. In both cases he usually ends up losing soon because even though he starts with a winning streak, due to the feeling of confidence and thinking that he is on a "winning streak" he makes even worse decisions than he would normally make.

I think that this is true for the most part of poker. But this is not about the bluff. I read several books about plying poker and tried to play as they teach. It really helps but i understood that i lost the interest. The poker became just a job. But i didn`t bet several thousands for one time. May be it gives other emotions.