Topic: Political compass! (who believes what?) - page 2. (Read 13588 times)

They are indeed.

Apparently I just barely beat you to it.  I've been mulling it over for a few days as well but just have been busy trying to finish up things for my classes (finals week). 


Mother of Mary.  I would have had an epileptic fit and then would have gone on a chain-saw massacre of the guilty parties.  I hope those assholes are paying for the damages.

No insult taken.
I like mind challenges. 

I wasn't attempting to be incendiary, so if I came across as insulting to BCEmporium, I apologize.  Sometimes I take things too seriously?   

I just mean that I'm enjoying the educated debate/argument. (and making off topic comments in an attempt to get people to be a little less serious and make some jokes)

So your point is that we must all remain silent, because otherwise we will find some points we don't agree with each other and that for you is... flaming?!

inb4 being awesomely flamed about accusing awesome flamers of being awesomely flaming!

Flame?! Where?!
Flame wars are about senseless insults, I wouldn't ever engage such a thing, we're discussing over some arguments here. Different points of view, but arguments.

inb4 totally awesome flame warz continuingz

Why? Because one caused a World War and the other not, at least yet? Never heard on Rothbard's contest on Hitler's policies - actually almost nobody does contest Hitler's policies as it is never discussed other than come out with the social and emotional effects of Nazism. (This does NOT mean people agree to Hitler's policies, just that issue is barely, rarely or almost never discussed).

Also you guys take everything seriously, and by taking it way too seriously even for a little piece of fun test, you second my thoughts of the danger in the extremes and ultimate danger in corners.

As for that sentence, turns funny, if use it a sole "Absolute argument" would be arbitrary, the fact is it's oppose isn't less arbitrary than it nor less arrogant - And put to practice the argument that "there's absolute truth" is a statement of Authority, taken that if there's than we must all abide by such "truth". I would ask outside math and theories where we can find something, some social or economic value to be in a position we can call "Absolute".

BTW, even on math and written theories you can find the burden of arbitrary, why do we say 2+2=4 and not o+o=d or something else instead? And those characters we use? Do they've any absolute value? Are they more worthy than chinese? Or arabic? And our languages?...
A value to be absolute would need to be immune to time, political quadrant, ideologies, so that from pre-historic times to the future ahead and from libertarians to authoritarians, left to right, it would remain unchanged... up to so far I found no such a thing in the planet, at least in this one.

+1

My internet has been down for a couple of days (funny story see below), and I've been thinking of a nice neat refutation of BCEmporium's analysis. I get back on line and find this ^ which is almost word for word what I had in mind. Nice.

So what happened to my internet connection? .. My housemate came in absolutely shit faced with a couple of his friends at 4am, and woke me out of a lucid dream, playing ridiculous music on MY computer. Incensed, I did what any other self respecting linux noob would do. I shut the machine down remotely using bash from my laptop, then proceeded to giggle myself to sleep.

I awoke the next day to find my monitor smashed and the router ripped out of the wall and thrown in the garden, in the rain.

inb4 my thread gets more awesome! :3

BCEmporium,  you have some disturbingly illogical views on this subject.  I respect your right to your opinion (so don't take personal offense), but I disagree with it. Here's why:

You were saying that anyone who falls into the corners of the chart is an extremist and therefore dangerous.  Yet, you, refusing to evaluate individuals on an individual basis, but instead lumping diverse peoples into a single group and labeling them "extremist" and "dangerous", are being extremist yourself.  To say that Fascist Right-wingers, and Authoritarian Leftists are the same as traditional Anarchists and "anarcho"-Capitalists is an extreme position to take.  The chart distinguishes between authoritarians and freedoms lovers, as well as rightist and leftist economic views.  To say that Hitler (upper Right) and Rothbard (lower Right) are the same is utter nonsense.


It seems like you are actually the extremist as a lot of people have tried to explain concepts to you but you blindly proceed with your arbitrary classifications.  Also, to say that there are no absolute truths in the world is illogical.  A meta-analysis of your position will destroy it. 

Consider, for you to state that "There are no absolute truths in the world" is in itself, a statement of the absolute.  If there are no absolutes in the world you cannot actually be sure that your statement is correct.  Therefore, there may actually be absolutes.  The best that you could do would be to admit that there is one absolute, and that is: that there are no absolutes other than this statement.  However, if you admit that there is at least one absolute, why could there not be others?  To say that there is a single absolute in the world is arbitrary and arrogant.  You cannot possess enough knowledge to say for certain something of that magnitude.

Your thoughts? 

vague questions and not the best test imho

Well I'm ofcourse not opposed to voluntary Democracy.

It's NOT Democracy that goes around that "abide or be killed/arrested", it's the Government, they're different things.
You got the very same "abide or else..." action within almost all other forms of State, Dictatorships use it even more lightly.

Democracy is just the way issues are addressed and bodies are elected not how to deal with those who don't comply.

BTW, this so called "reputation" systems remembers me why many people complaint of BS on Democracy, it's not "just" politicians fault, it's the people's fault as well, people love to be BS'ed. Like if I come here, just say what you guys want to hear, regardless I would do it or even think on such way, and see my "rep." rocketing... a bit like the votes in a regular democracy. 

+1

Yeah, BCEmpouriem.  +/- rating system are tools of those damn evil anarcho-capitalists!  How could you participate in such an undemocratic system?

Democracy sucks because in the end, you're forced to do what the majority says or else you will be killed.

This is not democracy, this is reputation tool, like reddit's karma or slashdot's moderation.