Topic: Poll : Dash presence on the Bitcointalk forum (poll results are in !!) (Read 3796 times)

OMG - There's nothing there - How does that coin survive?

Looks accurate but this is not including compounding future payments into building more masternodes so it is theoretically higher as a net income on a longer timeline if there is reinvestment and lets say the first 1 year of payments is missed out.

so roughly, if you got 12% from 2016 to 2017 and owned 9 masternodes, you would get 1080 Dash per annum, take off the costs of ~80 Dash for hosting the 9 nodes and then reinvest the 1000 Dash for another masternode.
Now you have 10 masternodes each still paying 11.49% but your total income has increased by another 11.1%  

And if you delayed payments for a second year, you would have 11 masternodes with another 10% added
So for 2 years, your total income will have raised by +21.1% by constant reinvestment.

There was some concern raised about the yearly % of MN payouts, so i did some investigating :

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Official+Documentation

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/questions/12910621/how-much-is-the-roi-of-a-masternode

note : a few things to keep in mind

* the masternode network has grown since 30th of september 2015 (its now 3296) so the annual return will get lower and is also scheduled to get lower over time
* the formula uses avg_reward, with low mining difficulty MN payout will get higher then average... (or it evens out over the year, not totally sure).
* there is a yearly annual decrease of 7 % on block rewards (both for miners and masternodes) which will influence things

Using moocowmoo's sheet as point of reference, it does seem i was a bit too high with my numbers when i mentioned 17% (although i dont know
how accurate this sheet actually is as it seems to be focussed on minimum MN payouts) :

Link : https://masternode.me/downloads/diy_masternode_calc.ods



http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Dash/masternode_payments_stats.html

What all these 'trade with extreme caution experts' overlook is that most of the Dash work goes on via emails/PMs/atlassian/presentations.

Do they think that the multiple video series subtitled in many languages happened by accident?
https://www.dashpay.io/dash-video-series/

and even one purely for fun,
https://youtu.be/8EZ8U5F8V1U

How is it possible to get 15%-20% return per annum with a 1k Dash stake through proof of service and create a masternode network that spans the globe(~40 countries) based only on cloned code?
The masternode network is the only other network that competes with the bitcoin network in terms of speed and node count with the added exception that is 2 tier and you get paid for supporting the network as an incentive making it very quick and currently underused.
http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Darkcoin/masternode_payments_stats.html

How many other coins have a voting system built into the blockchain that funds project and development where anyone can propose a vote and if the (currently) 3300 masternode like the idea they will vote superblocks to pay the workers for their time and expense??
This is a the first decentralized company and in effect runs kind of like a virtual co-coperative.

The next rollout of 'Evolution' will make Dash infinitely scalable, 51% attack proof, 1500 tps for starters and anonymous at the protocol level, the whitepaper is due out shortly.
https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-official-announcement-next-january-in-miami.6415/

Results are in :



Interesting results. Thanks for voting on this guys...

xcoin, darkcoin dash whatever it's called now. To clarify ....the one with the huge captive instamine that then cut the minting by like 75% DASH


*dashcoin - sorry to accuse you of such instamine tactics

Want to hear a funny story ?
I posted a Poll here before.. when i felt like it i changed the Poll questions around.. for LOL'z
What does that mean ?
It meant i could control the votes

The fact you hid your poll lends no credibility to your advertising topic here.
You created a poll knowing what the response would be..

I do wish people would make the distinction between dashcoin which is a cryptonote currency and Dash, the cryptocurrency we are
actually discussing here and having a poll over .. they are two very different cryptocurrencies.

20 minutes before poll closes...

trolls = telling the truth (in the dashcoin reality)

and yet another interesting way to view things  
such hatred and venom some of these trolls show in their posts, it never ceases to amaze me.

In three hours we should get the results of the poll, which means you all still have some hours left to vote !!  

Yes, everyone is aware that eduffield enjoys to make pathetic excuses.. he believes everyone is stupid naive and will believe his lies




It does sound like he knows exactly how many coins he obtained    


He is of course trying to hide the instamine, that is why it is not mentioned anywhere on Bitcointalk - only on "Dashtalk" which is already full of Dash bagholder scammers who do not wish to share the instamine information with new crypto users.

Here is also another screenshot i found on the many Dash truth threads on Bitcointalk.. look at his lies 0.0000000% premine... he is using loose definition of unfair mining instamine vs premine to hide that it was a huge instamine. Scum like DASH would do something like this




Edit for Mr. qwizzie: i have removed insults, now only the facts remain.

Too many trolls here and too little, or non-existent moderation of trolls. My vote would be that the entire positive Altcoin communitity, and even the entire positive Bitcoin community, move elsewhere which is better moderated with regard to trolls.

thats certainly an interesting view on things 

Don't bother reading the above let me sum that bullshit up in one go.

Yup we instamined it whilst telling you it was not premined and that it was a totally fair launch with no windows wallet for mining with. Then we reduced the minting to make sure you really got screwed for your own good.

We don't deny that but listen .....it was good for the coin because it created a few darkcoin rich people who are interested in seeing themselves get richer.

He admits the instamine (which he has to) but the dash thread stills says it was a fair launch LOL - so now you have instamine coins with no windows wallets are fair launches. This was not your usual instamine either it was probably the worst of all time.

Luckily though they slashed the minting back like 75% so that the rich instaminers became way richer and even more motivated to become super wealthy by pushing dash on everyone else so you can now join in and buy their coins at $3 which they mined up at 100's per second at the start.

The best bit is you are getting more lucky by the day because those rich dash owners are getting 18% more motivated each year to keep the scam going.


Here are some threads to enjoy that don't try to spin the huge captive instamine into a positive load of BS


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-darkcoin-instamine-2-millions-drks-50-of-darkcoin-in-circulation-560138

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/darkcoin-aka-dash-the-biggest-ongoing-scam-in-crypto-995710

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-the-darkcoindashdashpay-instamine-matters-999886


back on topic NO continued dark/dash spam is bad for dash i think the dash community should pay you to stop destroying their already tainted image further

stay on the dash thread you are destroying their chance to hoodwink noobs into buying their coins by spamming the main section.

Dash officially addressing the Instamine, a timeline :

The Birth of Darkcoin
https://dashtalk.org/forums/general-discussion.2/
Date : Mar 29, 2014
Views : 12,100




Dash Video Series
Date : 21 september 2015
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eEJKZjTx9Bg
time 7:26

Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash?
https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118
Date : Date : 11 october 2015



So is Dash lying about the Instamine ? No
So is Dash trying to hide the Instamine ? No

Yet that is exactly what certain fud posters are trying to make people think : that Dash is somehow lying about the Instamine and trying to hide it as well.

Anyways lets get back to topic, today will be the last day to vote ... make it count.

Don't get me wrong there. I was the first person here to create a DARKCOIN scam thread in the main section and to this day strongly dislike the way the captive instamine took place and the subsequent reduction of the minting to compound those evil deeds.

However, i just meant i think the darkcoin scam threads have been done, and rarely is another one created for no reason. It is only when darkcoin/dashcoin spammers litter the main section does the instamine scam get another mention.

They are doing dashcoin no favours by continuing to post more and more dash threads here since every one turns into another dash instamine scam thread.

Yes i agree we should never let it slide regarding what happened -  not just to make sure dash pays the price for this, but also to make sure other devs know they will not be able to pull that shit again without their coin being called out as a scam for it's entire life cycle.

However posting a new scam thread every day on the main section gets like spamming too after a while if it's about the same coin.

Anyway i voted NO it is counterproductive.

Its actually posts like the one above where people clearly trying to spread fud (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about Dash on a daily basis in either the ANN thread or in threads in the altcoin discussion section that makes this poll so interesting.
A smearing campaign against Dash could be avoided if we focus a lot more on other forums and let this forum be versus any talk about Dash is good publicity for Dash.

Let your voice be heard, vote !

I don't believe that "most" are willing to forget the instamine. The reason it would not be mentioned is simply because the DASH team and cult-like bagholder community continue to lie about, downplay it and pretend it doesn't matter. The reality is 30% of the current supply has been instamined by "devs and friends" in the first 8 hours of launch. Most people would say a 3% premine is outrageous, while no one cares about a 30% instamine?  

DASH devs hate that people know about the instamine they tried so hard to hide. I think DASH is a big fraud and encourage everyone to question fraudulent shitcoins

Edit: Mr. Qwizzie post below is a good example of the denial and downplay.. notice how he has claimed i am spreading FUD by mentioning the instamine, when it in fact happened and cannot be denied. 1.5 million coins instamine in 8 hours of launch, this is a fact. If you really believe that the instamine was just a coding error, you are beyond all hope. Dash needs a serious criminal investigation.. the sooner the better.

Only 1 more day before the poll results get in, i wonder how many people in total will have voted by then and what the result of the poll will be....

One day of voting left !

How do we know any of the above is true?

No, this constant spamming in the main forum is not a good thing. More people question the dash captive instamine than ever before due to excessive mentioning of that coin in the main forum. If dash was not mentioned in the main forum then the instamine would not be brought up over and over again. So noobs arriving here at this board would not be put off investing in this coin due to the dark past and would stumble upon the dash thread in the announcement section since that is often on the first page and noticable on coin market cap where nothing about the instamine is mentioned. Dash has many competitors they will not let an opportunity to mention the the instamine everytime they see a new dash thread in the main section. Keep to where dash is safe on your own thread in the announcements section.

Most are willing to forget the instamine to the degree they won't bring it up for no reason or come looking for trouble in the dash thread after all of this time. However, it will always be mentioned if there are too many dash threads posted in the main section.