POLL: How likely do you think it is that Dorian is Satoshi, founder of Bitcoin? - page 2.

Bitcoin_is_here_to_stay

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Quote from: phillipsjk on March 08, 2014, 02:39:35 AM

Quote from: DaFockBro on March 08, 2014, 02:34:04 AM

Means nothing. Dorian could've just logged in and posted that.

Except by doing that, he risks confirming that he is Satoshi.

To whom? He is not videotaped at his home - I hope? - and if he is Satoshi, he knows how to log in without revealing his IP address.

The only thing it reveal it is that Satoshi - or somebody having access to his P2P account - is alive. Not breaking news, imho.

The strange part is - why Satoshi would not use his PGP key? Of course, there is no way for Satoshi to convince us just by posting he is not Dorian - but at least we would know that the person reviving P2P account was Satoshi - and that he is still following (bitcoin?) news

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There wasn't a 1 or 2 percent, so I voted 0%.

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Let the chips fall where they may.

Quote from: DaFockBro on March 08, 2014, 02:34:04 AM

Means nothing. Dorian could've just logged in and posted that.

Except by doing that, he risks confirming that he is Satoshi.

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Quote from: phillipsjk on March 08, 2014, 02:30:54 AM

It is telling that satoshi broke his silence to say he was not Dorian.

P2Pfoundation link

The real Satoshi risked exposure to clear Dorian's name.

Means nothing. Dorian could've just logged in and posted that.

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Let the chips fall where they may.

It is telling that satoshi broke his silence to say he was not Dorian.

P2Pfoundation link

The real Satoshi risked exposure to clear Dorian's name.

ebliever

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Interesting. We are beginning to see a tri-polar distribution of opinions!

Close to 50% are certain or almost certain that Dorian is not the founder of Bitcoin.

About ~25% is equally convinced that he is the author of Bitcoin.

A third grouping of ~25% is ambivalent, tilting to the side of skepticism.

And I remain the only respondent choosing 60%. Grin

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Quote from: BitChick on March 08, 2014, 01:59:28 AM

There is more evidence that it is Nick Szabo.

Can you or someone give a quick rundown of that evidence?

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Satoshi logged in and said, " I am not Dorian Nakamoto."

I know that he could be Dorian saying that but I would think anyone putting 100% is crazy.

There is more evidence that it is Nick Szabo.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on March 08, 2014, 01:07:59 AM

I would say 1% likely cause you don't know what you don't know. But generally there's clear evidence the guy wanted to be anonymous and you don't use your real name if that's your goal.

Where is the clear evidence that he wanted to remain anonymous? So many people say "he always used tor." Where is the evidence that he always used tor?

Could this perhaps be a Satoshi myth that has been spread around the forums? Sort of like an el chapo situation, forum hearsay that added to his legendary mythical status. "He always used tor and 7 proxies and never posted personal details, he can never be caught!"

I think he probably used his real name because he already felt anonymous posting on obscure mailing lists and forums that only a handful of people read at the time.

Same reason Ulbricht posted his personal gmail. It was an obscure internet forum that hardly anyone frequented back then.

There's no way Satoshi could have predicted that Bitcoin would turn into a global phenomenon that would make Satoshi Nakamoto a household name and send reporters swarming to his door.

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Quote from: progamerbet.com on March 08, 2014, 01:16:31 AM

I'd say there's no chance. Nobody who is as careful as Satoshi would have used his real name to do everything.

The problem with confident assertions like this is they are so easily undermined by plausible alternatives. On another thread I commented that many great efforts at secrecy had been compromised by unfathomable slip-ups, and at the same time on the same thread someone posted a perfect illustration of this, of how the founder of Silk Road was caught using his real name in an email address seeking to hire programmers.

When Satoshi first wrote his paper and signed on to this forum, Bitcoin was nothing. Privacy would have been of little issue at first, growing gradually over time. And by then it would be too late. So he could go to great lengths in other ways, but could only hide in plain sight on this point.

I'm not saying that's conclusive, just giving an example of how the various arguments being put forth pro and con are not very strong. Thus my surprise as how confident most people are - and yet one side or the other must be wrong.

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I'd say there's no chance. Nobody who is as careful as Satoshi would have used his real name to do everything.

ebliever

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On the one hand, this guy has the right name and a skill set and worldview consistent with what we would expect of the founder of Bitcoin. Not to mention no job/time available in the period in question, and an isolated lifestyle allowing great concentration on the subject.

On the other hand we have the after-the-fact denials, his apparent unfamiliarity with "bitcom", and his questionable English skills, not to mention the conflict between his efforts at privacy and the apparent use of his real name.

That's why I'm ambivalent. I'm surprised the distribution so far is looking to be bipolar.

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

I would say 1% likely cause you don't know what you don't know. But generally there's clear evidence the guy wanted to be anonymous and you don't use your real name if that's your goal.

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I like guns.

The deputies that responded to the call recently said that the quotes of what 'satoshi' said are accurate.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-la-sheriffs-say-satoshi-nakamoto-man-did-talk-about-bitcoin-to-newsweek-reporter-20140307,0,609860.story#axzz2vLMJEnVv

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I thought a poll structured like this would be more enlightening than a simple yes/no poll on everyone's opinions. What do you think, and why?

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