Oh wow, you most definitely are onto nothing with this one. The address that you're claiming is my HYIP address belongs to OKEX, an exchange I use. It's literally tagged on-chain and currently has over 65 million dollars sitting in it. I only have 1 personal wallet address that I have made public here at this forum and the rest are from exchanges.
Not only is that wrong but I also have chat history with Hedge here on the forum and on Discord.
I demand an apology and the removal of the negative trust as I have been accused for absolutely no reason. A large account such as yours should tread carefully but you decided to just stomp all over the place and make yourself look bad.
I'd like to ask any admin in here to check both IP addresses of my account and that of HedgeFX and compare the two.
Edit 1: You're ignoring one simple fact that takes down your whole accusation, the "HYIP" address belongs to OKEX and is not mine. Now you can be a grown up and admit the mistake or go on with your forum superpower of the negative trust. Never in my life have I participated in a Ponzi and never will. I have other ways of making money and it most definitely isn't shady operations.
Topic: [POLL] Question for Lenders concerning loans to enable Ponzi/HYPI etc to occur: - page 2. (Read 1047 times)
June 03, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
June 02, 2023, 08:34:55 PM
I understand Timelord2067 care about the forum and want it to be scam free and thats its very good!
But if this should show to being wrong and not true. Timelord2067 should apologize and remove the feedback.
Its nothing wrong to be wrong, we all are humans and have wrong sometimes.
But if your wrong you should be able to stand for it and say sorry. also maybe he is not wrong, we don´t know for sure.
Have you paid back your loans HedgeFx?
About alterra57 and HedgeFx should be same person I have no idea i haven´t been here long enough and don´t have time to investigate in stuff like that.
Giving negative feedback and accusing someone for scamming should in my opinion only be done if its 100% proof on the table.
To feel something or think something or think that somebody is not a cool or good person is not enough to give negative feedback!
This will only lead to the trust system will look frivolous and nothing will take it seriously i think, its a dangerous way to go.
But that´s just my opinion.
Hope eveything settles out good and the truth comes out to the table.
Wish you all the best.
Best regards CC!
But if this should show to being wrong and not true. Timelord2067 should apologize and remove the feedback.
Its nothing wrong to be wrong, we all are humans and have wrong sometimes.
But if your wrong you should be able to stand for it and say sorry. also maybe he is not wrong, we don´t know for sure.
Have you paid back your loans HedgeFx?
About alterra57 and HedgeFx should be same person I have no idea i haven´t been here long enough and don´t have time to investigate in stuff like that.
Giving negative feedback and accusing someone for scamming should in my opinion only be done if its 100% proof on the table.
To feel something or think something or think that somebody is not a cool or good person is not enough to give negative feedback!
This will only lead to the trust system will look frivolous and nothing will take it seriously i think, its a dangerous way to go.
But that´s just my opinion.
Hope eveything settles out good and the truth comes out to the table.
Wish you all the best.
Best regards CC!
June 02, 2023, 07:26:35 PM
As new user in lending discussion, I try to follow threads like these to get a valid opinion on the problems that arise from using wallets that do bad things.
But, after reading it over and over again, I think we are confusing the use of an exchange address with a Ponzi accomplice address.
I understand that for Timelord2067 the problem is real seeing that he also assigned a negative trust. Is it only based on the use of an exchange wallet that also offers services to Ponzi?
I also don't understand why there should be a direct connection between Ponzi's wallet and user @HedgeFx.
I'm not an experienced user, feel free to explain even obvious things to me.
Thank you
But, after reading it over and over again, I think we are confusing the use of an exchange address with a Ponzi accomplice address.
I understand that for Timelord2067 the problem is real seeing that he also assigned a negative trust. Is it only based on the use of an exchange wallet that also offers services to Ponzi?
I also don't understand why there should be a direct connection between Ponzi's wallet and user @HedgeFx.
I'm not an experienced user, feel free to explain even obvious things to me.
Thank you
June 02, 2023, 05:38:47 PM
Thank you Nutildah.
You are right: I use my OKEx and other Exchange addresses
TJbHp48Shg4tTD5x6fKkU7PodggL5mjcJP is identified as a ponzi/hyip address on this page: https://e-investars.com/details/lid/483/p/2/ - archive [1] [2]
That's not what that says... it says that funds were sent as a HYIP payment to that address... It's not the HYIP itself.
Meanwhile TWGZbjofbTLY3UCjCV4yiLkRg89zLqwRgi is the Okex hot wallet:
Every single USDT deposit to TFqN1GmbXtQNZu1BsuhrExzpKLszXBfQ4U was sent to the Okex hot wallet, which means its rational to conclude it is a Okex deposit wallet.
Of course I am opposing these flags, you should probably withdraw them as they are based on faulty assumptions.
June 02, 2023, 05:20:41 PM
You are out of mind! I never invested or promoted any kind of Ponzi.
I use my OKEx account as staked addres!
Edit: I’m not connected whit Alterra. Check all my posts: I only speak Italian and my English is very poor. Check Alterra’ post and will understand that we are from different countries!
I use my OKEx account as staked addres!
Edit: I’m not connected whit Alterra. Check all my posts: I only speak Italian and my English is very poor. Check Alterra’ post and will understand that we are from different countries!
Ponzi participant's wallet address still makes it a Ponzi address (one of the subtleties of the English language)
Odd that you would split hairs on grammar
Odd that you would split hairs on grammar
June 01, 2023, 06:44:21 PM
Explain why the two users are using the same wallet (give examples by all means) unless of course you are denying they used the same wallet?
They're not "using the same wallet." As is labeled as such and as I've shown you a couple times already, the "wallet" you think is theirs is owned by an exchange. Its a hot wallet. Its not their wallet. Funds flow in and out of there from what appears to be hundreds of customers on a daily basis. The fact that it has been used to process Ponzi payouts does not mean the forum member you are accusing was involved with a Ponzi.
Hey thanks for re-posting your thorough investigation countering mine. It was very descriptive and you were able to article yourself very well.
Now that you have multiple times stated your case, you don't need to restate your observations. (unless of course you have fresh *cough* evidence)
First warning.
OK, feel free to delete my posts if you'd like, I'm prepared to open my own thread about the situation.
I couldn't guarantee that I would look in on such a thread - most of your threads of angst riddled and are just open ended echo chambers with no substance reminding us of how hard done by you are in life and wouldn't actually investigate the abuse of good-natured lenders by borrowers seeking to fund their gambling habits by participating in Ponzi/Hyips which is what this thread concerns.
June 01, 2023, 07:24:23 AM
Explain why the two users are using the same wallet (give examples by all means) unless of course you are denying they used the same wallet?
They're not "using the same wallet." As is labeled as such and as I've shown you a couple times already, the "wallet" you think is theirs is owned by an exchange. Its a hot wallet. Its not their wallet. Funds flow in and out of there from what appears to be hundreds of customers on a daily basis. The fact that it has been used to process Ponzi payouts does not mean the forum member you are accusing was involved with a Ponzi.
First warning.
OK, feel free to delete my posts if you'd like, I'm prepared to open my own thread about the situation.
June 01, 2023, 06:13:35 AM
You literally claimed it was their address.
FUD
TM1zzNDZD2DPASbKcgdVoTYhfmYgtfwx9R is used by both alterra57 and HedgeFx
FUD
That you for confirming that I stated the two users used the same wallet address, nothing more.
You are attempting to introduce uncertainty and doubt (otherwise known as FUD) where there is none.
Explain why the two users are using the same wallet (give examples by all means) unless of course you are denying they used the same wallet?
This other post of yours might explain your (ir)rationale:
And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension.
But you're not?
First warning.
June 01, 2023, 03:39:08 AM
You literally claimed it was their address.
Furthermore, your Ponzi evidence comes from someone labeling the hot wallet address as a scammer address, which has made over 47.6 million transactions. To use this as evidence against a forum member, make assumptions about alt accounts, give them red trust and open flags against them is ridiculous.
For years you've gone out of your way to harass forum members by fudging connections that aren't there. You should work harder to assure your facts are straight before you blast someone next time.
Defaulting on a loan would be reason to tag somebody. Scrutinizing their blockchain activity to make baseless assumptions about their off-forum activity is not.
TM1zzNDZD2DPASbKcgdVoTYhfmYgtfwx9R is used by both alterra57 and HedgeFx
Furthermore, your Ponzi evidence comes from someone labeling the hot wallet address as a scammer address, which has made over 47.6 million transactions. To use this as evidence against a forum member, make assumptions about alt accounts, give them red trust and open flags against them is ridiculous.
For years you've gone out of your way to harass forum members by fudging connections that aren't there. You should work harder to assure your facts are straight before you blast someone next time.
Defaulting on a loan would be reason to tag somebody. Scrutinizing their blockchain activity to make baseless assumptions about their off-forum activity is not.
June 01, 2023, 03:00:41 AM
No, you did.
May 31, 2023, 10:32:17 PM
Nice to have you join the conversation concerning what should be done about loans that are (unknowingly) used to facilitate loans to participate in Ponzi's.
Except that's not what happened and I proved that.
Please, before anyone else chimes in on their views on Ponzis I implore you to actually look at the evidence Timelord provided. Take a good, objective look at the claims he made and determine whether or not there's any truth to them based on the evidence he provided.
Also Timelord I'd like an answer to this question:
Do you really think they have $94 million worth of assets?
Because that's what you are inferring.
May 31, 2023, 06:19:32 PM
If the lenders don't report a problem with loan repayment, I don't see what exactly is the problem here. Is it a smart investment? Certainly not, but as long as these users bear the eventual losses. I don't see the difference between this kind of investment and gambling as a reason for a loan.
Nice to have you join the conversation concerning what should be done about loans that are (unknowingly) used to facilitate loans to participate in Ponzi's. What happens when the borrower takes out a loan and never pays it back? The lender waits. Then waits. Then waits some more. They'll probably contact the borrower and wait some more. Then eventually, they create a scam accusation concerning the default of their funds. Collectively negative trust feedback and or DT negative trust is dispensed and the borrower moves onto their next alt. Rinse and repeat.
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A participant in any HYIP scheme is just a naive person who thinks he will make a lot of money in a short time. Most often, he is not a fraudster.
In my examples I've shown that the borrower doesn't actually need the loan adding the funds to a much larger pot they have gathered which was then sent to an address identified as participating in Ponzis. (both of the "three days later" examples) - The loans occur to give the illusion they are trustworthy borrowers and by taking out loans from other lenders it gives credence to their alt's lending service as "just another payday lender"
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I haven't tracked everything, but it seems that there is a possibility that the accounts are connected. Certainly, this can be important information for lenders, and it is up to them how they will manage loans according to these user/s.
I appreciate you are at least considering that they are alts and are considering what the ramifications of random borrowers borrowing funds that have been derived from Ponzi activities.
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edit: Timelord2067, I just saw that you left negative feedback on these accounts. I invite you to double-check the matter, the fact where someone spends their money should certainly not be the subject of trust assessment. Tagging them only complicates the issue of currently active loaners and discourages them from maintaining their reputation on this forum.
I am opposed to your flags, I hope I won't have to leave positive feedback as a counter to yours.
I am opposed to your flags, I hope I won't have to leave positive feedback as a counter to yours.
I've found people usually take "this trust feedback is counter X feedback" not just with a grain of salt but with mirth and merriment as the persons later on who stumble upon it will know the author has had a clash with the one they are countering and makes the author look foolish.
Go right ahead and be "that guy" and leave a *cough* counter trust feedback to mine. Or, we could just discuss this in a rational manor.
Reconfirm they are alts, or, prove me wrong.
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In the last week I have read a totally different thread concerning the ramifications of funds that were paid out to signature campaigners that came from a mixing site that has been seized and it's owner arrested.
Shouldn't we be mature enough to have a conversation about the harm Ponzis cause in people's lives? In that other thread it was confirmed to me that admin/mods of the Forum are banned from participating in Mixer campaigns - if the Forum is at least willing to take a small step, let's actually take a stand on Ponzi's (and no, I've never participated in a ponzi, thanks for asking).
May 31, 2023, 10:16:42 AM
Lenders @shasan, @DarkStar_ and @alterra57 have all loaned HedgeFx USDT TRC20 funds to wallet TFqN1GmbXtQNZu1BsuhrExzpKLszXBfQ4U. The funds are then sent to HYIP/PONZI sites.
If the lenders don't report a problem with loan repayment, I don't see what exactly is the problem here. Is it a smart investment? Certainly not, but as long as these users bear the eventual losses. I don't see the difference between this kind of investment and gambling as a reason for a loan.
A participant in any HYIP scheme is just a naive person who thinks he will make a lot of money in a short time. Most often, he is not a fraudster.
I haven't tracked everything, but it seems that there is a possibility that the accounts are connected. Certainly, this can be important information for lenders, and it is up to them how they will manage loans according to these user/s.
edit: Timelord2067, I just saw that you left negative feedback on these accounts. I invite you to double-check the matter, the fact where someone spends their money should certainly not be the subject of trust assessment. Tagging them only complicates the issue of currently active loaners and discourages them from maintaining their reputation on this forum.
I am opposed to your flags, I hope I won't have to leave positive feedback as a counter to yours.
May 31, 2023, 07:51:22 AM
Both loans are overdue. The borrower has a history of paying late with silence as the days go by.
Plus, the lender was advised by me of this investigation *prior* to them facilitating the last loan, so the lender knew the risks.
Plus, the lender was advised by me of this investigation *prior* to them facilitating the last loan, so the lender knew the risks.
May 31, 2023, 07:06:18 AM
Is there a rule that says you are not allowed to participate in an HYIP or Ponzi? Running 1 and participating are 2 totally different thing IMO. These guys or this guy wants to risk his money, then so be it. Would be better if you warned the person of the risks of participating vs tagging and running them off. Maybe they are aware, maybe not but gotta hear their side IMO before tagging. If they are running the Ponzi then yes tag them, but are you sure here?
When a person borrows, the lender likely doesn't care what they do with the money as long as it's repaid. You have likely put the current loans(if there are any) at risk of being repaid.
When a person borrows, the lender likely doesn't care what they do with the money as long as it's repaid. You have likely put the current loans(if there are any) at risk of being repaid.
May 31, 2023, 06:07:11 AM
Pretty obvious they both use Okex
May 31, 2023, 05:47:06 AM
Hard to say how much money has been lost to Ponzi scams, but the sorrow it causes is very damaging.
What's your alternative explanation for the borrower using the same wallet to repay funds the lender sent from?
What's your alternative explanation for the borrower using the same wallet to repay funds the lender sent from?
May 31, 2023, 05:10:34 AM
Are you saying they are not alts even though they both used the same wallet?
The wallet you think is "theirs" is actually another Okex hot wallet, its even labeled as such on the explorer you've been using.
https://tronscan.org/#/address/TM1zzNDZD2DPASbKcgdVoTYhfmYgtfwx9R
So I'm saying this is not proof they are alts.
Do you really think they have $94 million worth of assets?
May 31, 2023, 04:53:15 AM
Are you saying they are not alts even though they both used the same wallet?
May 31, 2023, 04:43:43 AM
It really doesn't matter one way or the other because there is no connection between the accused and the crimes you are accusing them of.
The funds got deposited to Okex. The actual Ponzi coordinator withdrew them from Okex to pay out Ponzi participants.
It would appear you accused somebody of a crime they didn't commit. You even red tagged them for it
Should have waited to see if they defaulted on the loan.
The funds got deposited to Okex. The actual Ponzi coordinator withdrew them from Okex to pay out Ponzi participants.
It would appear you accused somebody of a crime they didn't commit. You even red tagged them for it
Should have waited to see if they defaulted on the loan.
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