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Topic: POLL | Should Gavin decline or accept the CFR invite ? - page 3. (Read 5401 times)

legendary
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Governments will be unable to stop a Bitcoin-based money that serves the masses.

Those who tell us:  "we need to ask for permission" from the parasitic psychopath ultra-elite (i.e. CFR, etc.), don't recognize that we now have the tool to take away their power; or they do recognize it but want to convince us of otherwise.

Those who tell us:  "we need to work within the framework" that holds abusive power over us, don't recognize that we now have the tool to create a new framework, a new paradigm; or they do recognize it but want to convince us of otherwise.

To Bitcoiners everywhere, we must be very careful of any who want to convince us that we have less power than we actually do; and of any who want to convince us that we should give up that power.

What power?  If they ban BTC, and they can, what will you do with all your BTC? You can't even wipe your ass with them?

Where will you spend them when no reputable place will take them and anyone who does risks prison?

That's not power, that's powerless and the whole point of this money is to take the little power the masses have and give it all to the Feds bad banks and look:  it's working brilliantly cause people are sheep.  Bitcoin was nothing more than the carrot, soon they will not need it anymore and they will use a different coin without the bad press and without some foundation to get in their way.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
My instincts believe yes, hence...

"Hence"? .... leave in a state of suspense Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
My instincts believe yes, hence...
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
Governments will be unable to stop a Bitcoin-based money that serves the masses.

Those who tell us:  "we need to ask for permission" from the parasitic psychopath ultra-elite (i.e. CFR, etc.), don't recognize that we now have the tool to take away their power; or they do recognize it but want to convince us of otherwise.

Those who tell us:  "we need to work within the framework" that holds abusive power over us, don't recognize that we now have the tool to create a new framework, a new paradigm; or they do recognize it but want to convince us of otherwise.

To Bitcoiners everywhere, we must be very careful of any who want to convince us that we have less power than we actually do; and of any who want to convince us that we should give up that power.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
People don't seem to understand that one single executive order would ban bitcoin based on national security and no entity would accept it which would render it useless except for illegal use.

It's that easy and the fact the govt hasnt fine it proves they have plans for it and if Bitcoin doesn't obey they will choose a different currency (iXcoin) and then find an easy way to kill BTC.

Of course the US government could ban bitcoin in an instant. Which is why the bitcoin community has to "play ball" if they want bitcoin to become a real economic force. Its what worries me about attempts to make a "totally anonymous coin" - now that is something everything government will quickly make illegal. What's the point?
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1534
www.ixcoin.net
People don't seem to understand that one single executive order would ban bitcoin based on national security and no entity would accept it which would render it useless except for illegal use.

It's that easy and the fact the govt hasnt fine it proves they have plans for it and if Bitcoin doesn't obey they will choose a different currency (iXcoin) and then find an easy way to kill BTC.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.



You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.


Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."

I beg to differ as you have severely misunderstood and/or underestimated Mr. Nakamoto's statement. He is in fact saying the complete opposite.

Moral and political reasoning aside, we simply DO NOT NEED THEM.

So.. go ahead.. ride that gator's back across the river. Wink

We absolutely need government support, or you end up with a currency that is just used for illegal activities and will eventually all be seized by the feds, just my 2 cents .....

It's not been about need.  We don't have a choice.  You people think the govts, the fed and banks are just gonna give up all that power, money and control to the masses?

Bhahahaaaaa.

That will never happen.  They can see these currencies can give them total control over the masses and they're gonna play it nice and slow to not scare anyone away but in the end whatever currency ends up being the global currency it will be controlled by the same people and they will use it to enslave the masses, err, fight poverty and terrorism.  lol.

But it can happen.

They are playing nice because they know we can throw the TOR and IP2 blankets over their heads and disappear from their radar.

@ empoweoqwj  I'm sooo tired of seeing people fall for the silk road/ illegal activities excuse/ cop out. eg. 70-90% of USD has traces of narcotics on it or is used in other illegal ways. Wink

All I was saying is if governments ban bitcoins from being used for legal purposes, like buying and selling stuff online or offline, or trading it, then all you have left is the illegal stuff. Not a complex argument and I've not "fallen" for anything.

Of course I understand cash is used for narcotic purchases. But cash is used legally for other things. If bitcoin is banned, it can only be used for illegal things.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1001
All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
WARNING !!

We have everything to gain !

They have everything to lose !
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1001
All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.


Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."

I beg to differ as you have severely misunderstood and/or underestimated Mr. Nakamoto's statement. He is in fact saying the complete opposite.

Moral and political reasoning aside, we simply DO NOT NEED THEM.

So.. go ahead.. ride that gator's back across the river. Wink

We absolutely need government support, or you end up with a currency that is just used for illegal activities and will eventually all be seized by the feds, just my 2 cents .....

It's not been about need.  We don't have a choice.  You people think the govts, the fed and banks are just gonna give up all that power, money and control to the masses?

Bhahahaaaaa.

That will never happen.  They can see these currencies can give them total control over the masses and they're gonna play it nice and slow to not scare anyone away but in the end whatever currency ends up being the global currency it will be controlled by the same people and they will use it to enslave the masses, err, fight poverty and terrorism.  lol.

But it can happen.

They are playing nice because they know we can throw the TOR and IP2 blankets over their heads and disappear from their radar.

@ empoweoqwj  I'm sooo tired of seeing people fall for the silk road/ illegal activities excuse/ cop out. eg. 70-90% of USD has traces of narcotics on it or is used in other illegal ways. Wink
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.


Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."

I beg to differ as you have severely misunderstood and/or underestimated Mr. Nakamoto's statement. He is in fact saying the complete opposite.

Moral and political reasoning aside, we simply DO NOT NEED THEM.

So.. go ahead.. ride that gator's back across the river. Wink

We absolutely need government support, or you end up with a currency that is just used for illegal activities and will eventually all be seized by the feds, just my 2 cents .....

It's not been about need.  We don't have a choice.  You people think the govts, the fed and banks are just gonna give up all that power, money and control to the masses?

Bhahahaaaaa.

That will never happen.  They can see these currencies can give them total control over the masses and they're gonna play it nice and slow to not scare anyone away but in the end whatever currency ends up being the global currency it will be controlled by the same people and they will use it to enslave the masses, err, fight poverty and terrorism.  lol.

You are right. We don't have a choice. Governments set regulations. Regulations define what can and can't be done in their country. If you are saying its inevitable governments will inevitably end up controlling bitcoin you may ..... unfortunately be right. But I still don't think Gavin has anything to lose by talking  to people Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1534
www.ixcoin.net
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.


Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."

I beg to differ as you have severely misunderstood and/or underestimated Mr. Nakamoto's statement. He is in fact saying the complete opposite.

Moral and political reasoning aside, we simply DO NOT NEED THEM.

So.. go ahead.. ride that gator's back across the river. Wink

We absolutely need government support, or you end up with a currency that is just used for illegal activities and will eventually all be seized by the feds, just my 2 cents .....

It's not been about need.  We don't have a choice.  You people think the govts, the fed and banks are just gonna give up all that power, money and control to the masses?

Bhahahaaaaa.

That will never happen.  They can see these currencies can give them total control over the masses and they're gonna play it nice and slow to not scare anyone away but in the end whatever currency ends up being the global currency it will be controlled by the same people and they will use it to enslave the masses, err, fight poverty and terrorism.  lol.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.


Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."

I beg to differ as you have severely misunderstood and/or underestimated Mr. Nakamoto's statement. He is in fact saying the complete opposite.

Moral and political reasoning aside, we simply DO NOT NEED THEM.

So.. go ahead.. ride that gator's back across the river. Wink

We absolutely need government support, or you end up with a currency that is just used for illegal activities and will eventually all be seized by the feds, just my 2 cents .....
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1001
All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.

Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."

I beg to differ as you have severely misunderstood and/or underestimated Mr. Nakamoto's statement. He is in fact saying the complete opposite.

Moral and political reasoning aside, we simply DO NOT NEED THEM.

So.. go ahead.. ride that gator's back across the river. Wink
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.

Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.


Indeed. And I'm sure Satoshi would applaud such cooperation. That's why he said things like:

Quote
"Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.

Its not about "obeying" - its about co-operating so that bitcoin can operate in a regulated environment. Try operating an ATM or exchange if the feds are after you all the time.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.


You are, of course, absolutely right. And yes, Gavin and the rest of the Bitcoin developers will obey the government and the banksters.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.

FWIW, I happen to agree. Bitcoin has to play ball if it wants to grow. A truly anonymous currency like ZeroCoin will just get stamped on by every government in the world.
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1534
www.ixcoin.net
You people are naive.  I've said from day one there is no such thing as anonymous digital currencies and whatever digital currency is chosen as the global currency, it will be owned and controlled by the same powers who control money now, only they will use this new power of digital money to completely control the sheep masses who were too stupid to see this coming.

In other words, if Bitcoin doesn't play ball they will destroy it very easily via media propaganda and legislation and replace it with a different currency.  There will never be anything like ZeroCoin in circulation and you can bet if Bitcoin were to adopt ZeroCoin it would be destroyed.

So stop asking silly questions.  The real question is:  will Gavin et al obey the govt and banks all the way and if they don't which coin will they choose as its replacement?

That is the only relevant question.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1001
All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
So why not work within the guidelines.

Who's guidelines and what are those guidelines?
They are 1) I believe he has accepted so he is going
2) they expect an appearance  3) a big cardboard finger is left in front of the mic while he excuses himself and leaves.

Don't forget to include a caption that reads :

"On behalf of the people of the world who you have enslaved, occupied and bombed... "

Grin
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
So why not work within the guidelines.

Who's guidelines and what are those guidelines?
They are 1) I believe he has accepted so he is going
2) they expect an appearance  3) a big cardboard finger is left in front of the mic while he excuses himself and leaves.
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