POLL: Will Avalon Batch 3 or raw ASIC Chips ship first? - page 2.

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Quote from: Dalkore on May 07, 2013, 11:33:53 PM

It would be a travesty if chips shipped first. That would not be a good move on their part being that Batch 3 was ordered "before" the chips.

i totally agree

how much time passed between batch 3 sales and the bulk chip sales? In my opinion, that number is the MINIMUM amount of time that should pass after the last batch 3 unit is delivered , until the FIRST bulk chip order is delivered. I'm guessing that's about 2.5 months.

/EDIT: This issue is not as significant when you compare the relative processing power of batch 2 versus batch 3, and therefore batch 3 doesn't absolutely need to be delayed as much as the chips. but the chips, when shipped, will devastate the ROI on the customers of batch 3....... there's a big difference... so let's not even start comparing the delay of batch 2 / batch 3 delivery to the delay of the bulk chip delivery.....

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Fingers crossed it wil be batch 3

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 09, 2013, 03:37:41 AM

Didn't you hear? They weren't even interested in being a business in the first place.

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 07:33:32 AM

"Not interested in it" does not equal to they can break the basic rule.

You're missing the point I was proposing (tongue-in-cheek as it may have been)-- they were not intending to make this into a business in the first place. They weren't interested in being a business. That should speak volumes to you in their attitude towards handling customers.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 09, 2013, 07:23:00 AM

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 05:32:06 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 09, 2013, 03:37:41 AM

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 03:36:08 AM

If chip goes first, that means Avalon breaks the basic rule of business. It will make them lost trust to any customers or pontential customers in future.

Didn't you hear? They weren't even interested in being a business in the first place.

Ridiculous! If so, how you define "selling chips"? Charity or donation?

Read the article. It answers that question and others.

"Not interested in it" does not equal to they can break the basic rule. In this logic, they can have all our money but don't give us anything and say: Hey guys, we are not interested in the business with you guys.

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Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 05:32:06 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 09, 2013, 03:37:41 AM

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 03:36:08 AM

If chip goes first, that means Avalon breaks the basic rule of business. It will make them lost trust to any customers or pontential customers in future.

Didn't you hear? They weren't even interested in being a business in the first place.

Ridiculous! If so, how you define "selling chips"? Charity or donation?

Read the article. It answers that question and others.

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Bad business sense to sell chips first. Easier, sure, but stupid.

If they have invested in the full rigs, they need to clear that inventory first.

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There's no option "The boys are off to bahamas, and nothing will ever ship"

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 09, 2013, 03:37:41 AM

Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 03:36:08 AM

If chip goes first, that means Avalon breaks the basic rule of business. It will make them lost trust to any customers or pontential customers in future.

Didn't you hear? They weren't even interested in being a business in the first place.

Ridiculous! If so, how you define "selling chips"? Charity or donation?

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Quote from: Wayne_Chang on May 09, 2013, 03:36:08 AM

If chip goes first, that means Avalon breaks the basic rule of business. It will make them lost trust to any customers or pontential customers in future.

Didn't you hear? They weren't even interested in being a business in the first place.

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If chip goes first, that means Avalon breaks the basic rule of business. It will make them lost trust to any customers or pontential customers in future.

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Quote from: glendall on May 08, 2013, 02:12:51 PM

I'll be very disappointed if the chips go out before batch 3.

The chips should be a heck of a lot easier for Avalon to get out the door though, obviously.

This- Batch 3 customers paid first, they should get their product first.

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chips will go out first ..

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I'll be very disappointed if the chips go out before batch 3.

The chips should be a heck of a lot easier for Avalon to get out the door though, obviously.

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Quote from: wrenchmonkey on May 08, 2013, 10:58:09 AM

Quote from: Kartaiv on May 08, 2013, 10:51:53 AM

If the chips ship first, which is possible since they do not requiring any assembly, they still won't be running and online for some time after that. So even if batch 3 ships after the chips they will likely be online before a vast majority of any of the raw chips.

Personally, I think you grossly underestimate the skills and determination of some of the members of these chip buys. There are at least two projects which I am confident will be completed and tested prior to shipment of chips, meaning that boards can be assembled and ready for chips as soon as they arrive. 15 minutes in a reflow station, and these boards will be ready to mine.

I guarantee there will be many people who will be up and mining within a day of receiving their chips.

Thats what I think too. I've been working on such a project when the announcement came and we've worked out a somewhat detailed plan of what is needed to do and what timeframe one would need to set everything up so only the chips need to be assembled. It was less than 8 weeks!

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Quote from: Kartaiv on May 08, 2013, 10:51:53 AM

If the chips ship first, which is possible since they do not requiring any assembly, they still won't be running and online for some time after that. So even if batch 3 ships after the chips they will likely be online before a vast majority of any of the raw chips.

Personally, I think you grossly underestimate the skills and determination of some of the members of these chip buys. There are at least two projects which I am confident will be completed and tested prior to shipment of chips, meaning that boards can be assembled and ready for chips as soon as they arrive. 15 minutes in a reflow station, and these boards will be ready to mine.

I guarantee there will be many people who will be up and mining within a day of receiving their chips.

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If the chips ship first, which is possible since they do not requiring any assembly, they still won't be running and online for some time after that. So even if batch 3 ships after the chips they will likely be online before a vast majority of any of the raw chips.

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The real question in my mind is how soon will rev2 chips come out after all off these rev1 chips are sold?

Or am i reading too much from this interview
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/engineering-the-bitcoin-gold-rush-an-interview-with-yifu-guo-creator-of-the-first-asic-based-miner

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If ASICs are the technological pinnacle, what’s next for bitcoin and mining?

Of mining’s technological evolution? Yes. In terms of major technological developments, it will be a while. What’s going to happen is that there is going to be a die shrink in order to reduce power consumption and increase speed based on smaller gate sizes. Eventually we’re going to reach the theoretical wall because of physics. The atoms will be too small. I don’t know when that will be hit, but the sooner the better.

If bitcoin is a $1 billion market, and it only takes less than $1 million to secure the network right now, that’s not a lot of money for someone to try and take over the mining scene. The faster the technology progresses, the more secure the network is, because it will be that much harder for a malevolent entity to mess with the system. We want to reach 14 or 10 nanometers as soon as possible. IBM/Intel is playing with 7 nanometers right now. The sooner the better so we’ll never again have this scenario where one company like Avalon essentially controls more theoretical computing power than the entire network’s hash rate. This will never happen again.

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I very much doubt the chips would go out first. Probably a month after batch #3 is fully shipped.

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It would be a travesty if chips shipped first. That would not be a good move on their part being that Batch 3 was ordered "before" the chips. I very much doubt they would do that to their customers of Batch 3.

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Chips. Fewer steps to ship, fewer delays.

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