Topic: Polmine-Switches to PPS without notice and docks miners of several solved blocks (Read 4625 times)

I'm pretty sure that applies to everyone - by making proportional payouts on the long blocks where it pays less than PPS and then retroactively switching the payout method to PPS as soon as they had a cluster of short blocks where proportional would've paid out more, they effectively short-changed every single miner even if they didn't pool hop.

just one thing: greedy scam
nothing to discuss here, he can say 1000 times everything was announced/correct/etc, its still was/is a greedy scam!

How can it be harmful only for hoppers when you take money out of all user accounts?

You made the switch to PPS retroactive and took back money that had already been paid under the old system. Most people who run a bitcoin service would not dream of doing something like this.

Heh, funny guy this tomaszsz dude.

almost one year late.

..wait, i can't remember if i still have some of my btc held hostage there.



eh, whatever.

 
JoelKatz says true, it was harmfull ONLY for hoppers, Honest folks who dont try do cheat are very satisfied with polmine.pl.

As I says it was a poll, so honest miners decide/vote  to switch do PPS, so it was peoples decision Evething was described on polish and english forum.polmine.pl before we switch to PPS.

As I says, we dont need cheaters, liars and hoopers. Even if you write your lies with big letters it wont become a true,

i dont want to fight on forum, i just want to inform people about REAL events on polmine.pl , and that what you post was just revenge not REAL information...

EOT

No tomaszsz, it is you that is lying.
You have effectively stolen approximately 60% of the payments you were supposed to pay out by freezing payments and retroactively applying a change to the payout system.  I don't have a problem with you changing the payout system, but you can't apply the change retroactively.  In fact, I believe most miners would expect a notification several days prior to the change taking place.  I did keep up with reading your pool's forum and was aware of the discussion to switch payout systems.  But that's all it was, a discussion (and a poll).  There was never any warning/notification to miners as to when (or if) the change was going to be made.

I don't believe anyone ever got a response or answer as to why payments were frozen in the first place.  It sounds to me like the intention was there all along to steal from/shortchange miners when you froze payments.

With more and more of these small pools dwindling away into the sunset, it becomes even more important for miners to ensure that they mine with a trustworthy pool.  Your pool should be relegated to the junkyard heap of pools such as bitclockers that have stolen from their members. Your switch to PPS will bring about your demise rather soon.  Good luck with that at your pool's current hash rate.

I also find it interesting that you only now decided to reply to this thread,  11 months later. 

Good bye Polmine and good riddance.


JoelKatz,  both pool hoppers and non-pool hoppers were adversely affected by the retroactive change in the payout system.

By the way, I am the one who unlocked the topic to give you a chance to explain their actions.

I gave you a chance to explain why you thought is was OK to recalculate existing payouts. Yet you wish to repeat yourself once again.

1.Your forum is in polish, yet you had an interface to your pool in English.
2.You could have posted an announcement in English on your English Pool interface.
3.You also could have posted an announcement of the change here in the thread used to get miners.
4.You froze all payouts for days prior to making any change to the payout system.
5.You retroactively applied your new payout system to those frozen payouts.
6.You claimed that the differences on what was rightfully earned and what you paid out were to be taken by the pool to fund your pps.

Then after 11 months you come here to argue and defend your actions of stealing payments that were rightfully due to miners on your pool.

Those are your so-called lies.

You could have (should have) paid out all outstanding balances prior to your switchover. You FAILED to do that.

Good bye sir. I am done with you.
Take your dishonest practices and self delusion back to your forum on forum.polmine.pl

DO NOT MINE AT THIS POOL

You forgot to mention that this post was addressed only to pool hoppers. Honest folks might get the wrong idea.

1. evething was explained on forum.polmine.pl
2. there was even poll  and miners can vote about switch polmine to pps and when to do it !
3. poll   and, news and forum discusion was before switch to pps

buy you prefer rather to post lies without explanation, and without lookin for answers in right place forum.polmine.pl

and after that you just lock topic.

nice ! but fortunately there are administrators who responded appropriately

just great - polmine.pl does not need such miners, hoopers and people doing things like you

and now you can lock this topic Buddy

Ok Buddy, you wanted to re-open this topic. Here is your opportunity to explain your side of the story.

You never posted it on your pool's website. You intentionally froze all payments before the switchover and then applied your new payouts retroactively.

It is you sir, who is the lier and thief. Your pool should be designated as a scammer zone and should be shunned by all.

I just want to say that all above informations is not true, and in fact are lies !

Above peoples/hoppers  instead post on polmine forum (forum.polmie.pl and try to resolve this issue)  made a lot of noise on bitcointalk as revenge .

Switch to PPS, was announced BEFORE switch, people which are hoopers usualy dont folow pool rules , and always try to abuse.

All poll fight with such kind fraud and i hope polmine will do it forever !

polmine is biggest and best polish pool, are ASIC redy, and very profitable to miners

just try by yourelf instead trust in lies of pool  hoppers !

thanks

Went from ~1.43 BTC to 0.18 BTC, without warning.  Definitely not a happy camper.

Yep.  Same here.  Had almost 10BTC that I couldn't withdraw, and suddenly he balance dropped to 6BTC which showed up in my wallet last night. 

Sayonara polmine... not the right way to do things.. certainly won't shed a tear for you when you are gone.

They have fully converted now to PPS and retroactively applied it back to block 148 without notice:
http://forum.polmine.pl/index.php?topic=759.msg7200#msg7200

Google translated version:
 
I had 24.23 btc in earnings from several lucky prop rounds recently.  Polmine disabled any payouts and changed all earnings of earlier blocks to PPS.  My new payout: 9.11 btc.  No notice, no option to keep what you earned.  They kept the 15 btc difference between my prop and PPS earnings (and the same for other members) to fund their PPS buffer, without users' consent.

DO NOT MINE ON THIS POOL.   In the future, who knows what they will do with your earnings without telling you.

Polmine has switched to PPS without notice and applied it retroactive to several blocks without notice. Avoid this pool.

Their payout system is weird indeed, I got some crazy payout on previous short blocks then I got a huge payout above proportion for a long block.

I then combined the blocks and payouts and noticed it was the exact proportion payout combined across blocks.

Not sure how their actual calculations work but across different blocks it still paid out what it should have per block, so I didnt lose any value.

The namecoin mining is bit suspicious as I noticed this for last couple of days yet no namecoin balance credited.

for 2 weeks? Then it starts showing a neg balance and no payouts in their records. It is the correct address, I have received payments from them before.

Proportional.

955/410461*50.03550010 = 0.1164152077676076

135)   T Tx: 4e4f2ca1               955                                       410 461   2011-11-02 01:03:29   0 dni 10 godz. 50 min. 48 sek.   50.03550010   0.11641520