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Topic: Ponzi Sub-Forum????????? (Read 2200 times)

sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 08:44:33 PM
#29
Thanks, Maged! I am very satisfied with how this was dealt with. I love how the administration discusses these types of things with the user base. The new policy is very reasonable. Keep up the great work! :D
legendary
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August 26, 2011, 06:40:15 PM
#28
I have posted a policy post about it here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/one-thread-per-site-only-39621
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August 26, 2011, 03:09:32 AM
#27
I'm pretty sure this is what theymos means (sorry if i'm horribly incorrect):

Once upon a time, when bitcoinduit/bitcatch "create game" feature didn't exist, people had to host their own games. Advertising your game during that time was not considered spam because the only possible way to find those games were through the forum. It did however start to get bad with the google docs ones just before bitcoinduit came around, imo.

Now, all of the games are hosted by either bitcoinduit or bitcatch. This means they can be viewed simply by going to these sites, which everyone who plays ponzi already knows about. Those who don't know about the sites should be able to find the site in the gambling section, not see spam of all the games hosted on it. Much like bitcatch didn't create a new thread for every new round back in the days.
sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 01:57:21 AM
#26
Quote from: Cory
No matter what it done, "automated" ponzi games should not be treated any worse than those put on by an individual.

Automated games are maybe no better than simple spreadsheet games, but games with their own domain names are better, and they should stand out. If I create a Ponzi category, the high-quality sites will still be drowned out by low-quality games.

I could create a category just for simple, no-work games, but would anyone really read that section? Many of the Bitcoinduit topics have only 0-2 replies.
Games with their own domain names, like Bitcoinduit and Bitcatch, are indeed often better! I think that if you created a ponzi category, the high-quality games would stand from the low-quality ones because they would get more replies and would remain near the top of the subforum. If "no-work" ponzis are banned, it only follows that all ponzis should be banned. Policies must be consistent.

I don't have a problem with all of the ponzis being posted in the main gambling subforum, either. The ponzi subforum would only be to please those who do. And I would read that section. Wink
sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 01:51:04 AM
#25
You can play all of the games on bitcoinduit that you want, but we don't need a new post every time someone "creates" their "game".  There are so many being made all the time and all it does is spam the forums.
I think we do need a new post every time somebody creates a game. How else will others know about it? It is far too ambiguous to decide what makes a game "good enough", since that's so subjective; that only opens the doors for abuse. We need clear, straightforward policies in order to maintain a functional forum.

Go create a new forum for advertising bitcoinduit games if you want.
That's exactly what I'm rooting for. Since it seems some people are bothered by the lack of gambling variety, a ponzi subforum should be put into place so the main gambling subforum can be used for other types of games.

It is very important to me that this forum stays as free (as in freedom Wink) as possible, as outlined in the forum moderation policy.
sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 01:50:34 AM
#24
Go create a new forum for advertising bitcoinduit games if you want.

No need to create yet another forum... alternate fora seem to be popping up all the time anyway.

http://www.bitcoinboard.com
http://www.bitcoin-board.com
http://www.bitcoinforums.net
administrator
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August 26, 2011, 01:45:39 AM
#23
Quote from: Cory
No matter what it done, "automated" ponzi games should not be treated any worse than those put on by an individual.

Automated games are maybe no better than simple spreadsheet games, but games with their own domain names are better, and they should stand out. If I create a Ponzi category, the high-quality sites will still be drowned out by low-quality games.

I could create a category just for simple, no-work games, but would anyone really read that section? Many of the Bitcoinduit topics have only 0-2 replies.
legendary
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Keep it real
August 26, 2011, 01:40:07 AM
#22
Bitcoinduit is so popular because it works. I would feel much better about playing a ponzi game hosted with Bitcoinduit than one put together by an individual, the only documentation a Google Spreadsheet.

Bitcoinduit should be treated no worse than any other ponzi schemes.

You can play all of the games on bitcoinduit that you want, but we don't need a new post every time someone "creates" their "game".  There are so many being made all the time and all it does is spam the forums.

Go create a new forum for advertising bitcoinduit games if you want.
sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 01:33:39 AM
#21
No more ponzi games. Sad

Ponzi games are fine (I even have one in my signature). But it's annoying when people post topics announcing games that are almost identical to other games, especially when they've put almost no work into creating the game.

It would be OK for Bitcoinduit games to be advertised in replies to a single topic.
I would feel much more comfortable if there were clear rules. Perhaps restrict the number of ponzi topics a user can post per week, or necessitate "twists" in the game. Better yet, allow anybody to post any ponzi game in a designated ponzi subforum.

No matter what it done, "automated" ponzi games should not be treated any worse than those put on by an individual.

He's saying no more bidcoinduit posts from what I read.... we don't need a new post every time someone is able to post outside of the noob den.
Bitcoinduit is so popular because it works. I would feel much better about playing a ponzi game hosted with Bitcoinduit than one put together by an individual, the only documentation a Google Spreadsheet.

Bitcoinduit should be treated no worse than any other ponzi schemes.
legendary
Activity: 966
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Keep it real
August 26, 2011, 01:30:32 AM
#20
No more ponzi games. Sad

Ponzi games are fine (I even have one in my signature). But it's annoying when people post topics announcing games that are almost identical to other games, especially when they've put almost no work into creating the game.

It would be OK for Bitcoinduit games to be advertised in replies to a single topic.
I would feel much more comfortable if there were clear rules. Perhaps restrict the number of ponzi topics a user can post per week, or necessitate "twists" in the game. Better yet, allow anybody to post any ponzi game in a designated ponzi subforum.

No matter what it done, "automated" ponzi games should not be treated any worse than those put on by an individual.

He's saying no more bidcoinduit posts from what I read.... we don't need a new post every time someone is able to post outside of the noob den.
sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 01:23:04 AM
#19
No more ponzi games. Sad

Ponzi games are fine (I even have one in my signature). But it's annoying when people post topics announcing games that are almost identical to other games, especially when they've put almost no work into creating the game.

It would be OK for Bitcoinduit games to be advertised in replies to a single topic.
I would feel much more comfortable if there were clear rules. Perhaps restrict the number of ponzi topics a user can post per week, or necessitate "twists" in the game. Better yet, allow anybody to post any ponzi game in a designated ponzi subforum.

No matter what it done, "automated" ponzi games should not be treated any worse than those put on by an individual.
administrator
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August 26, 2011, 01:18:52 AM
#18
No more ponzi games. Sad

Ponzi games are fine (I even have one in my signature). But it's annoying when people post topics announcing games that are almost identical to other games, especially when they've put almost no work into creating the game.

It would be OK for Bitcoinduit games to be advertised in replies to a single topic.
sr. member
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August 26, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
#17
Just to be clear, you're allowing me to start deleting new Bitconduit game posts?

Yes, unless the post is somehow very substantive.
Please make this new policy known in a sticky in the gambling subforum. No more ponzi games. Sad
administrator
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August 26, 2011, 12:59:13 AM
#16
Just to be clear, you're allowing me to start deleting new Bitconduit game posts?

Yes, unless the post is somehow very substantive.
legendary
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August 26, 2011, 12:34:37 AM
#15
Can it be made against the rules to spam a bitconduit "game"?

It's against the rules to spam anything...

Any post containing only "promotional text" for a link is probably spam if the site has already been announced.

Just to be clear, you're allowing me to start deleting new Bitconduit game posts?

I don't ever read the gambling section, though, and I suppose the other moderators don't read it much, either.
Like all things, I sometimes will see things from my global view on Show unread posts.
sr. member
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August 25, 2011, 11:03:09 PM
#14
Perhaps we should encourage somebody to moderate the gambling section.

However, I wouldn't consider links to your ponzi games referral spam. Just like topics announcing spreadsheet ponzi games weren't considered spam, neither should topics linking to a ponzi game just because it's hosted through a service such as Bitcoinduit.

I think they should be counted as spam.  It was different when people had to use spreadsheets, because at least then they had to put in effort... and the game wasn't hosted somewhere else so nowhere else to have discussion about it.

Bitconduit allows anyone to create a new game in under a minute, and this leads to lots of spamming.  The gambling forum seems to be about 50% circle jerk of people advertising bitconduit games.

I wish I had  never started up the ponzi thing that the original guy let die.... though it still probably would have happened anyways.
I would support a ponzi subforum, but a ponzi game is a ponzi game. If one is hosted through a reputable, automatic service rather than an individual, it is certainly no more spammy than the game hosted by the individual, if not less.
legendary
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Keep it real
August 25, 2011, 10:59:25 PM
#13
Perhaps we should encourage somebody to moderate the gambling section.

However, I wouldn't consider links to your ponzi games referral spam. Just like topics announcing spreadsheet ponzi games weren't considered spam, neither should topics linking to a ponzi game just because it's hosted through a service such as Bitcoinduit.

I think they should be counted as spam.  It was different when people had to use spreadsheets, because at least then they had to put in effort... and the game wasn't hosted somewhere else so nowhere else to have discussion about it.

Bitconduit allows anyone to create a new game in under a minute, and this leads to lots of spamming.  The gambling forum seems to be about 50% circle jerk of people advertising bitconduit games.

I wish I had  never started up the ponzi thing that the original guy let die.... though it still probably would have happened anyways.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
August 25, 2011, 10:52:15 PM
#12
Perhaps we should encourage somebody to moderate the gambling section.

However, I wouldn't consider links to your ponzi games referral spam. Just like topics announcing spreadsheet ponzi games weren't considered spam, neither should topics linking to a ponzi game just because it's hosted through a service such as Bitcoinduit.
administrator
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August 25, 2011, 10:42:30 PM
#11
Can it be made against the rules to spam a bitconduit "game"?

It's against the rules to spam anything...

Any post containing only "promotional text" for a link is probably spam if the site has already been announced.

What happened to the forum moderation policy? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.254443

Referral spam is still prohibited, of course. I don't ever read the gambling section, though, and I suppose the other moderators don't read it much, either.
sr. member
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August 25, 2011, 10:33:07 PM
#10
What happened to the forum moderation policy? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.254443
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