I posted an Open Letter to the Moderators regarding just this issue. It did get some attention among community members, with feelings from both sides. But the mods tended to side more with the hands off, let the community determine the postings, etc.
I'll bump it. Heres the link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/for-admins-an-open-letter-to-bitcointalkorg-admins-regarding-ponzi-schemes-934416
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Topic: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still (Read 1582 times)
I agree it is annoying but I like to think it is a self correcting problem as the people stupid enough to send their coins to a "game" that is synonymous with scam will quickly tire of throwing their money away.
Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
I think most of the ponzis should just be moved to the Games and section. After all, thats what they are.
If it has a homepage -> Gambling
If it does not -> Games and Rounds
Ponzi or not does not matter as long as we dont have a new section.
Agree we need a separate section for ponzis/HYIP
Its such a pain to go look for the thread of your favorite casino
Its such a pain to go look for the thread of your favorite casino
create a sub-forum for them they BRING no value to this forum I would say a lot of forum members here would agree!
Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
I think most of the ponzis should just be moved to the Games and section. After all, thats what they are.
These scams should be outright removed or at the very least placed in their own section. I'm surprised we're still arguing over this.
PS: Also hope some of the bigger ones will be caught, like these Over 70 Bitcoin Scams Shut Down By New York Law Enforcement
I just realized that most ponzi operators violate the "no more than 24 hours between bumbps/updates" rule. They are basically spamming to stay on the first page of the gambling section, which moves fast.
Thus I think its a good idea to stop bumping their threads for free with warnings/mockings/etc and keep reporting their spam.
Thus I think its a good idea to stop bumping their threads for free with warnings/mockings/etc and keep reporting their spam.
Yes in this case we should report them, and the staff should ban these users.
I just realized that most ponzi operators violate the "no more than 24 hours between bumbps/updates" rule. They are basically spamming to stay on the first page of the gambling section, which moves fast.
Thus I think its a good idea to stop bumping their threads for free with warnings/mockings/etc and keep reporting their spam.
Thus I think its a good idea to stop bumping their threads for free with warnings/mockings/etc and keep reporting their spam.
Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
I've been putting negative trust on anyone trying to scam people by running a ponzi on here.
99% of them are newbies...
I was doing that too, but they keep making new accounts. I feel like people are going to throw their money in there with or without negative trust.
Yes , because a simple negative trust will not stop their intention. However I agree with the other users , we need a new child board only for the hiyp and the various ponzi.
Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
I've been putting negative trust on anyone trying to scam people by running a ponzi on here.
99% of them are newbies...
I was doing that too, but they keep making new accounts. I feel like people are going to throw their money in there with or without negative trust.
it's a simple matter of:
- gamblers = one group
- ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group
- there exists slight overlap in groups
- the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied
- "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam
- thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads
- bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose
- gamblers = one group
- ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group
- there exists slight overlap in groups
- the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied
- "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam
- thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads
- bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose
This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:
Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?
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Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.
Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?
Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
I've been putting negative trust on anyone trying to scam people by running a ponzi on here.
99% of them are newbies...
Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
I think it's a pretty good idea to have a separate section for them... They've been booming lately and filling the Gambling zones!
Also, they'll eventually die off, and if they are sit in one section, it will be easier to delete all the threads...
haha
Also, they'll eventually die off, and if they are sit in one section, it will be easier to delete all the threads...
haha it's a simple matter of:
- gamblers = one group
- ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group
- there exists slight overlap in groups
- the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied
- "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam
- thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads
- bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose
I think you are pretty much right. Especially with the fact that most ponzis are essentially a copy of eachother. This does skirt the rule that only one thread per site is allowed as the same person can make 3 or 4 almost identical sites then open 4 threads (one about each site). - gamblers = one group
- ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group
- there exists slight overlap in groups
- the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied
- "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam
- thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads
- bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose
Yep, I totally agree. Has there been any movement on this? I actually like both but yeah, they should be separated. But I do like gambling more and would actually like to engage more in gambling discussions but it's hard to weed through all the ponzi stuff.
Agree we need a separate section for ponzis/HYIP
Its such a pain to go look for the thread of your favorite casino
Its such a pain to go look for the thread of your favorite casino
it's a simple matter of:
- gamblers = one group
- ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group
- there exists slight overlap in groups
- the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied
- "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam
- thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads
- bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose
- gamblers = one group
- ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group
- there exists slight overlap in groups
- the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied
- "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam
- thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads
- bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose
You are right. This apparently happens every so often in the gambling section when one ponzi is successful then many others try to follow in their footsteps and try to scam various gamblers.
I do agree that there should be some kind of HYIP/ponzi section outside of the main gambling section. When we do have ponzi crazes they all seem to make it no fun for people who want to gamble in a fair way
I do agree that there should be some kind of HYIP/ponzi section outside of the main gambling section. When we do have ponzi crazes they all seem to make it no fun for people who want to gamble in a fair way
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