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legendary
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September 24, 2022, 05:03:41 AM
#22
NVIDIA Retained 80% Discrete GPU Market Share Versus AMD’s 20% In Q2 2022 Despite Gaming Revenue Losses
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-retained-80-discrete-gpu-market-share-amd-20-in-q2-2022-despite-gaming-revenue-losses/
It is stated that the oversupply issue is being made a huge deal and NVIDIA can move their inventory really quickly through their partners. The GPU vendor is currently planning to offer a second round of price cuts in September which will bring prices down even further.

Selling at a discount won't kill them. Because before that, the companies had a very good profit.
legendary
Activity: 3738
Merit: 1708
September 22, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
#21
I think the issue with Nvidia is that they are trying to be the next Apple. They basically made it very difficult for AIB to profit, so no surprise that EVGA left the GPU market. And they like Apple, are overcharging for everything and they think their loyal followers will pay these prices.

According to the forums, many of the Nvidia fan boys are just going to turn to AMD. They need to becareful what they do in the future because their stock and business can come crashing down very quickly.

full member
Activity: 1386
Merit: 220
September 22, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
#20
All this AI stuff including tensor cores (nVidia), AMX (CPU), etc, isn't any help for POW mining. It all uses floating point at
reduced precision (FP16, FP8) while POW mining uses INT32 almost exclusively. If/Until matrix processors support INT32
they're useless for mining. But if they ever do they will provide an order of magnitude increase in POW performance once
the mining software is optimized.

https://www.techspot.com/article/2049-what-are-tensor-cores/
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 456
September 22, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
#19
poor nvida I wouldn't say really since for months they have speculated for billions with the excuse that they could not produce enough gpus ... they fired bomb prices at launch which in the end were never respected until 1 month ago. Obviously nvidia will lose a good slice of the market since GPU mining has had a tremendous blow (at least for now) but the prices of the new cards are very normal, the RTX 20 generation had a higher msrp price than the 30. This of the 40 mi it seems fair also given the historical moment in which we are where everything is most expensive regardless. Obviously I will not buy an RTX 40 then who knows.
legendary
Activity: 2226
Merit: 1304
September 22, 2022, 11:16:33 AM
#18

 and yeah why buy a 4090 and pay  so much more than a used 3090 or 3090 ti


When I saw the price of new gen RTX 4xxx I thought they didn't know about the end of ETH mining  Cheesy

4080 12gb - U$ 899,00
4080 16gb - U$ 1199,00
4090 24gb - U$ 1599,00

They already said dlss 3 will not work with RTX 3XXX hehe, it looks like 4xxx gen will be that gen that most gamers will skip, buying cheap hardware from miners
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1026
September 22, 2022, 07:42:37 AM
#17
They never really wanted to be in the crypto business anyway. I think they’re fighting to try and get control of the AI and self driving car markets for the coming years. With things like augmented reality & the metaverse becoming more common, I think they’ll do just fine no matter what. I’ve even been a buyer of AMD on this dip.

Nvidia is spending a lot of budget on AI from many years now and they even come up with some data that showed a completely self driving car in Germany not that long ago however I have not read or heard any news of the same from AMD,most probably AMD is not heavily invested in this.

The prices of video cards are falling down dramatically right now at ebay I saw brand new 3060 ti for 399 USD which is a really good price,also the Rtx 3080 at near 700 USD is again a normal price compared to what we had in the bull run.I think they will fall even more and maybe it is time to get some and wait for the right time to put them back to work.
What video cards are used in AI?
NVIDIA Tesla V100 is reported to be more efficient, it consumes less power than the current 3090 and 4090 by several times and has better computing performance? The 3060 ti is good for gamers, but what's the use of it in AI computing?


The high end cards of Nvidia are being used to test Artificial Intelligence in order to make possible self-driving cars and they had a prototype in Germany in 2021 if I recall it correctly and the other fields they are using them is for Medical Breakthroughs which became a necessity during the Covid era as before Covid only for the self-driving car they were mainly used but now with the invention of Immunotherapy for cancer which you instill stamina cells and you boost directly the immunity after Chemio Therapy is a great usage of such cards.I of course only pray for fast success in this second area which is medicine rather than self driving cars.

Everyone wants a piece of pie in the medicine industry and Nvidia is fighting hard for this not because they care about people but because corporate tyranny only cares about money.

And yes the Teslas are being used as the brain of the devices they reside in to make science advance further in the above mentioned fields.
The video card chip for games has a different architecture, for example, it is optimized for ray building and better graphics in games.
I understand that the Nvidia Geforce RTX 3000-RTX 4000 can give good compute performance for AI beginners, but I think for professional work there is Quadro, Tesley or Amazon AWS or Google Cloud services.
legendary
Activity: 4116
Merit: 7849
'The right to privacy matters'
September 21, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
#16
Nvidia new GPU was released and price is staggering. If you go and read on Nvidia forums or Reddit groups most gamers are saying they aren’t going to buy the new GPUs they will just buy used ones from miners.

I am pretty sure this will be the trend from now on. Why would anyone pay such high prices for a GPU. If anything they should of released this 2 months prior and they would get more sales. Now I don’t think many have that kind of money to spend on a GPU when you can buy an entry level gaming desktop for a similiar price.

Or V.B. will be strong armed into altering eth yet again.

1264 price and under attack from US government.

as pos it is pretty much what they say it is a bond and subject to government regs.

Should be fun watching it unwind over the next few months.

Hmm ripple was how high 3.80 in early 2018 US government attacked it and it neve got back over 1.50

right now it is 41 cents.

 and yeah why buy a 4090 and pay  so much more than a used 3090 or 3090 ti
legendary
Activity: 3738
Merit: 1708
September 21, 2022, 11:08:09 PM
#15
Nvidia new GPU was released and price is staggering. If you go and read on Nvidia forums or Reddit groups most gamers are saying they aren’t going to buy the new GPUs they will just buy used ones from miners.

I am pretty sure this will be the trend from now on. Why would anyone pay such high prices for a GPU. If anything they should of released this 2 months prior and they would get more sales. Now I don’t think many have that kind of money to spend on a GPU when you can buy an entry level gaming desktop for a similiar price.
legendary
Activity: 3136
Merit: 1233
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
September 21, 2022, 09:45:56 AM
#14
They never really wanted to be in the crypto business anyway. I think they’re fighting to try and get control of the AI and self driving car markets for the coming years. With things like augmented reality & the metaverse becoming more common, I think they’ll do just fine no matter what. I’ve even been a buyer of AMD on this dip.

Nvidia is spending a lot of budget on AI from many years now and they even come up with some data that showed a completely self driving car in Germany not that long ago however I have not read or heard any news of the same from AMD,most probably AMD is not heavily invested in this.

The prices of video cards are falling down dramatically right now at ebay I saw brand new 3060 ti for 399 USD which is a really good price,also the Rtx 3080 at near 700 USD is again a normal price compared to what we had in the bull run.I think they will fall even more and maybe it is time to get some and wait for the right time to put them back to work.
What video cards are used in AI?
NVIDIA Tesla V100 is reported to be more efficient, it consumes less power than the current 3090 and 4090 by several times and has better computing performance? The 3060 ti is good for gamers, but what's the use of it in AI computing?


The high end cards of Nvidia are being used to test Artificial Intelligence in order to make possible self-driving cars and they had a prototype in Germany in 2021 if I recall it correctly and the other fields they are using them is for Medical Breakthroughs which became a necessity during the Covid era as before Covid only for the self-driving car they were mainly used but now with the invention of Immunotherapy for cancer which you instill stamina cells and you boost directly the immunity after Chemio Therapy is a great usage of such cards.I of course only pray for fast success in this second area which is medicine rather than self driving cars.

Everyone wants a piece of pie in the medicine industry and Nvidia is fighting hard for this not because they care about people but because corporate tyranny only cares about money.

And yes the Teslas are being used as the brain of the devices they reside in to make science advance further in the above mentioned fields.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1026
September 21, 2022, 08:20:17 AM
#13
They never really wanted to be in the crypto business anyway. I think they’re fighting to try and get control of the AI and self driving car markets for the coming years. With things like augmented reality & the metaverse becoming more common, I think they’ll do just fine no matter what. I’ve even been a buyer of AMD on this dip.

Nvidia is spending a lot of budget on AI from many years now and they even come up with some data that showed a completely self driving car in Germany not that long ago however I have not read or heard any news of the same from AMD,most probably AMD is not heavily invested in this.

The prices of video cards are falling down dramatically right now at ebay I saw brand new 3060 ti for 399 USD which is a really good price,also the Rtx 3080 at near 700 USD is again a normal price compared to what we had in the bull run.I think they will fall even more and maybe it is time to get some and wait for the right time to put them back to work.
What video cards are used in AI?
NVIDIA Tesla V100 is reported to be more efficient, it consumes less power than the current 3090 and 4090 by several times and has better computing performance? The 3060 ti is good for gamers, but what's the use of it in AI computing?
legendary
Activity: 3136
Merit: 1233
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
September 19, 2022, 02:39:38 AM
#12
They never really wanted to be in the crypto business anyway. I think they’re fighting to try and get control of the AI and self driving car markets for the coming years. With things like augmented reality & the metaverse becoming more common, I think they’ll do just fine no matter what. I’ve even been a buyer of AMD on this dip.

Nvidia is spending a lot of budget on AI from many years now and they even come up with some data that showed a completely self driving car in Germany not that long ago however I have not read or heard any news of the same from AMD,most probably AMD is not heavily invested in this.

The prices of video cards are falling down dramatically right now at ebay I saw brand new 3060 ti for 399 USD which is a really good price,also the Rtx 3080 at near 700 USD is again a normal price compared to what we had in the bull run.I think they will fall even more and maybe it is time to get some and wait for the right time to put them back to work.
donator
Activity: 4732
Merit: 4240
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
September 19, 2022, 02:35:23 AM
#11
They never really wanted to be in the crypto business anyway. I think they’re fighting to try and get control of the AI and self driving car markets for the coming years. With things like augmented reality & the metaverse becoming more common, I think they’ll do just fine no matter what. I’ve even been a buyer of AMD on this dip.
member
Activity: 1196
Merit: 26
September 19, 2022, 01:55:22 AM
#10
Why poor nvidia and amd? They sold everything what they got now they are on beach drinking coctails.dont believe what news says about ohh they cant sell anymore oohh look price lower than msrp  Grin finally caputulation is here i waited this whole year.
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 4
September 18, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
#9
Strange thing, is here at least, price of Nvidia or AMD graphic card (RTX 3060 for example) did not drop a cent for a couple of month now.
legendary
Activity: 3136
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September 18, 2022, 03:08:29 PM
#8
Poor the biggest graphic cards companies? These companies are already in big fat success before mining become a thing, yes it's true that they made more because of crypto miners but it's not as if they will go bankrupt because Ethereum mining is no more lol.

I think only Nvidia will see their earnings come down as their 3000 series was bought at the fastest possible rate from miners,gamers and everyone who needed them.Nvidia didn't want the miners so they came up with the LHR cryptolock that "would so be a good option for the gamers" and thus since then the market didn't like Nvidia,I am talking about the mining market while AMD never made such a gesture and since the LHR lock was in place AMD saw some increase in their sales.

However it is a sure thing that they will miss the target sales and especially Nvidia will miss a lot of sales in the 4000 series,no one would give a damn,as even a 3070 or 3070 ti is great for any gaming performance or rendering in architecture.
sr. member
Activity: 714
Merit: 296
Cashback 15%
September 18, 2022, 05:57:33 AM
#7
Poor the biggest graphic cards companies? These companies are already in big fat success before mining become a thing, yes it's true that they made more because of crypto miners but it's not as if they will go bankrupt because Ethereum mining is no more lol.
full member
Activity: 242
Merit: 115
September 17, 2022, 07:21:27 PM
#6
In a strange irony I saw a Gigabyte 3070 advertized on a major online retailer bragging about the Eth hashrate for their LHR card.
There wasn't a lot of public pushback by the AIBs but it's clear now they're pissed.


They can't really fight NVIDIA, they're too big to fail. Net worth of almost 330 billion dollars. They're colossal
full member
Activity: 1386
Merit: 220
September 17, 2022, 07:08:41 PM
#5
In a strange irony I saw a Gigabyte 3070 advertized on a major online retailer bragging about the Eth hashrate for their LHR card.
There wasn't a lot of public pushback by the AIBs but it's clear now they're pissed.

full member
Activity: 242
Merit: 115
September 17, 2022, 06:58:19 PM
#4
If both companies were smart enough they saved money, because they made tons and tons of money selling cards to miners.
I remember Nvidia saying some things about miners but it was happy enough to sell every single card launched, even 1660 and 2060...

Market will probably get back to "normal", selling cards to gamers, renders etc

Nvidia have bad news, EVGA will not work with them anymore: https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-ends-nvidia-video-card/
You can see some companies like EVGA, Apple and Microsoft leaving Nvidia.
Let's see how they will deal with those problems.
Nvidia fucked all AIBs with their founders edition nonsense(as in FE not having LHR). EVGA just got tired of their bullshit and told them to go fuck themselves. Justifiably so if I may add.
legendary
Activity: 2226
Merit: 1304
September 17, 2022, 11:15:01 AM
#3
If both companies were smart enough they saved money, because they made tons and tons of money selling cards to miners.
I remember Nvidia saying some things about miners but it was happy enough to sell every single card launched, even 1660 and 2060...

Market will probably get back to "normal", selling cards to gamers, renders etc

Nvidia have bad news, EVGA will not work with them anymore: https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-ends-nvidia-video-card/
You can see some companies like EVGA, Apple and Microsoft leaving Nvidia.
Let's see how they will deal with those problems.
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