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Quote from: Ucy on March 01, 2020, 03:40:40 AM

We'll probably need lots of moderators for newbie abuses, and other abuse to be reduced.

Hm, I don't think so. I use the report fuction on a regular basis and all my reports had been handled in no matter of time. So our mods here seem to be very active and respond to reports quickly.

Moderators are the solution if the post is an obvious scam attempt. The problem here is that most of those scam attempts are not obvious and very well prepared. Take a look at the scam accusations board. Lots of the sites mentioned their have been running for month (even years) before they started to scam people.

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We'll probably need lots of moderators for newbie abuses, and other abuse to be reduced.
I would prefer a situation where many more moderators are picked based on their consistently accurate reports and negligible mistakes. Their activities should probably be transparent... but their real forum names could be cloaked with some random names...so other members/mods don't judge based on their popularity on the forum. This way would be useful because any forum member can also go through their reports and rate their accuracy with either "up, down or neutral votes" (with evidences). You will need to cloak the voters too so they don't vote in fear.
This will help make moderation alot faster.

Lest I forget, we will need to have a clear and precised forum rules (which should be numbered) to help moderators act based on that. If someone is moderating outside of the rules, they will need to be suspended or something.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on February 27, 2020, 06:25:18 AM

sorry, i don't know if a topic like this has been created here.

I honestly know several gambling sites, which can be trusted to bet on this forum.

A little strange to me, for beginners who make the topic of gambling sites that end (scam), the most severe again at the first time gambling sites are made, beginners disappear never reply to what is asked by members here about the work of the gambling site.

Many people now fall into the valley of death for lost money, because gambling sites are not responsible.

what I want to ask is:

1. Mod can you, to limit any beginners and prohibit or delete posts on behalf of gambling sites, posted by beginners, it's up to gambling sites, whatever that is.
2. Give one posting rule on behalf of gambling sites must rank Jr. and above.
Also does not guarantee, for high-ranking members who bring gambling sites lead to fraud, but at least there is a reply from the answer, leads to something ....rather than beginners one post is instantly lost.

I think a few more ideas are needed from members here, in handling scam gambling sites.
Best solution.

Why rely on the moderator when we could also help to clean the forum,
We could always report their post if we think that it is a scam or not in the proper section of the forum so that the moderators would easily see it and delete it.

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Quote from: Text on February 28, 2020, 05:25:52 AM

Don't forget that every one of us here also started from a newbie. Not all newbies have a goal to scam other users so it's unfair if we treat them in general as is. Scammers are those who are making new/alt accounts with the purpose of trolling and hijacking other threads.

You won't get scam if you know the ways how to determine if a gambling site is legit or not. You can make your own search in or out of this forum. There are sites that seem trusted at the start but later on, become a scam one.

Everyone has to start at some point and just because someone is a newbie, we shall not treat them as scammers or someone with low knowledge. I never recommend going for a gambling site which basically has negative reviews on forums. Moreover, check 2,3 forums for honest reviews about a site.

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Quote from: doomistake on February 29, 2020, 03:16:30 PM

There is no need for this thing to be implemented. There is already a warning, since the start about newbie when they created a thread or if they sent you a PM, it says that "warning this user is just a newbie" something like that, that implies that you should think about it before you make your decision or act, which is indeed correct. It is our choice to trust or not to trust anyone on this forum, whether it is a newbie or not, anyone could pull a scheme here whenever they want to.

The point is, we should be responsible for every choices that we are making, if you think the post is a scam, then leave it, report it and provide a solid proof for moderators to shut down the account immediately and delete the post as well, in my opinion.

I do agree, it is already on our end to make fine choices. We should be able to determine a scam since we're in this community for a long time. The forum admins already did everything they are capable of to warn every user about the risk of having interaction with newbies.

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There is no need for this thing to be implemented. There is already a warning, since the start about newbie when they created a thread or if they sent you a PM, it says that "warning this user is just a newbie" something like that, that implies that you should think about it before you make your decision or act, which is indeed correct. It is our choice to trust or not to trust anyone on this forum, whether it is a newbie or not, anyone could pull a scheme here whenever they want to.

The point is, we should be responsible for every choices that we are making, if you think the post is a scam, then leave it, report it and provide a solid proof for moderators to shut down the account immediately and delete the post as well, in my opinion.

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Quote from: barbara44 on February 29, 2020, 04:42:32 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on February 27, 2020, 12:35:33 PM

Limiting or implying those rules wont be possible.Why? This is supposedly a decentralized forum and doing such behavior would
simply remove it out thats why even admins doesnt limit that much or prohibit newbies to post up.Its up on the public on how
they do deal with it.The thing here is that the community would able to give out feedbacks which newbie readers should at least have
the time to read and research.

Pretty much that! Because, Theymos does not want the users feel like they are being controlled by the forum owner and hence even the little restrictions that have been applied on new accounts because of the immense abuse of that posting ability.

Now coming to point, I believe there can be some sections of the forum where newbies should not be able to create new topics, yes allow them to post in already created threads but don't just allow them to create new ones. So that if they have any complaint or something they can feel free to post but at the same time, they don't have the power to shill.

That's a good point,

The idea of restricting newbies from creating new topics will help to prevent them from promoting scams, but it contradicts their eligibility to have copper membership. They just need to pay for it and they can now bypass every restriction that newbies have.

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Quote from: Chrystora123 on February 27, 2020, 01:05:42 PM

Quote from: watergold on February 27, 2020, 11:29:35 AM

I still don't believe that if a newbie account makes a thread about gambling, we will at least believe with Cooper Members and on average it's fine.

90% of gambling sites created by Newbie (threads) end up with Scams.. I personally prefer to do research first because not all of them are Scams, and I think doing research first is the best step.

Honestly I don't know why people even need new casinos or sportsbook when there are many trusted one already operating in the market without any issues, I mean if you say that new casinos are good because they offer new member bonus or something then yes it's good to do research and if you are going for a no-deposit bonus then even no research is needed I believe.

The problem is the ponzi type of sites in my opinion that operate for a short period of time and then scam whatever they collect, but then again I believe we must be wise enough to avoid such tricks.

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Quote from: barbara44 on February 29, 2020, 04:42:32 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on February 27, 2020, 12:35:33 PM

Limiting or implying those rules wont be possible.Why? This is supposedly a decentralized forum and doing such behavior would
simply remove it out thats why even admins doesnt limit that much or prohibit newbies to post up.Its up on the public on how
they do deal with it.The thing here is that the community would able to give out feedbacks which newbie readers should at least have
the time to read and research.

Pretty much that! Because, Theymos does not want the users feel like they are being controlled by the forum owner and hence even the little restrictions that have been applied on new accounts because of the immense abuse of that posting ability.

Now coming to point, I believe there can be some sections of the forum where newbies should not be able to create new topics, yes allow them to post in already created threads but don't just allow them to create new ones. So that if they have any complaint or something they can feel free to post but at the same time, they don't have the power to shill.

I think that's great idea because they will help them to gain a lot knowledge and easy for them to know the basic in gambling and also to help them to express their own thought but most of all to avoid those site only used them to make post from their site, but they dont get any. Mostly of newbie have higher urge to post in a gambling site just to earn but thats the reason why many fraud site used them.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on February 27, 2020, 12:35:33 PM

Limiting or implying those rules wont be possible.Why? This is supposedly a decentralized forum and doing such behavior would
simply remove it out thats why even admins doesnt limit that much or prohibit newbies to post up.Its up on the public on how
they do deal with it.The thing here is that the community would able to give out feedbacks which newbie readers should at least have
the time to read and research.

Pretty much that! Because, Theymos does not want the users feel like they are being controlled by the forum owner and hence even the little restrictions that have been applied on new accounts because of the immense abuse of that posting ability.

Now coming to point, I believe there can be some sections of the forum where newbies should not be able to create new topics, yes allow them to post in already created threads but don't just allow them to create new ones. So that if they have any complaint or something they can feel free to post but at the same time, they don't have the power to shill.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on February 28, 2020, 04:39:46 AM

In that case, it kinda feels sad for newbies, because they are like entitled to be scary or much prone into scams or any crimes.

Not): sad and creepy.

You are from Newbie I am also from Newbie, learning about forums and gambling sites for a month and waiting for the activity to go up to jr. It doesn't hurt, right..

One post directly gambling site, as if quite professional in the development of gambling, ultimately scam.
I know of a high-ranking account that hides behind the scenes of gambling sites, instead of ending up scamming in fear of being marked (red paint).

So, if this gambling site is limited to beginners, obviously those of high rank who jump directly post it, like that, why just play around, think of using the brain.

Example: gambling site posting by newbie.

user: QetuoBets

Topic: Qetuo's Gambling Bot + Guaranteed profit!

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Don't forget that every one of us here also started from a newbie. Not all newbies have a goal to scam other users so it's unfair if we treat them in general as is. Scammers are those who are making new/alt accounts with the purpose of trolling and hijacking other threads.

You won't get scam if you know the ways how to determine if a gambling site is legit or not. You can make your own search in or out of this forum. There are sites that seem trusted at the start but later on, become a scam one.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on February 28, 2020, 04:39:46 AM

It's difficult for sure. Not all beginners or newbie rank are into scamming or some suspicious activities. In that case, it kinda feels sad for newbies, because they are like entitled to be scary or much prone into scams or any crimes.
Even we do that there, there's still the possibility to get scammed. The best thing is to LEARN and always think twice and do research before depositing your bitcoins on some websites.

That's right it looks that when people hear the word newbie or when they know that you are wla newbie then there is always something that comes to their mind which is a scam because it is like that they are already entitled just because they are newbie in which on the other side that they are really prone to scam activities but the thing is we all start from there being a newbie so it would be more better if we will be the one who will told or teach them what to do in order for them to prevent those kind of activities.

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It's difficult for sure. Not all beginners or newbie rank are into scamming or some suspicious activities. In that case, it kinda feels sad for newbies, because they are like entitled to be scary or much prone into scams or any crimes.
Even we do that there, there's still the possibility to get scammed. The best thing is to LEARN and always think twice and do research before depositing your bitcoins on some websites.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on February 28, 2020, 01:50:25 AM

Quote from: logfiles on February 27, 2020, 07:46:31 PM

Too many restrictions to newbies is also a dangerous thing to the community in the long run. Much as we have so many scammers who come in using newbie accounts, we also have new genuine gambling sites that are first posted by newbies accounts.

I second this. Restricting newbie accounts further lead to the fact that legit sites and casinos dont have the chance to offer their services here or have to pay someone to post and host their thread - or for the copper membership. Newbie accounts are already verify limited, I definitely wouldn't restrict them even more.

Additionally, the rank of the BTC account means nothing and doesn't prevent you from being scammed in any way. Just take a look at the scam accusations subforum here. The vast majority of accusations are against accounts with high ranks. If someone has the sole intention to scam you, the fact that he has to invest a couple of weeks to reach member status here at the forum won't stop him.

I totally agree, the issue here is not on the one who promotes the site itself, it is those who are reading the post and not doing due diligence on reviewing the legitimacy of the site.

How many high-rank members here are getting victimized by scam gambling sites? How newbies are the victim? Even if you are new in crypto or not people get scammed because of carelessness and being misinformed, or sometimes being greedy thinking of earning money in easy and fast way.

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Quote from: harizen on February 27, 2020, 09:23:05 PM

But I just wonder, are there really users who still fall on those sites nowadays that were shared here in the Gambling section?

There are a number of cases that have led to gambling sites leading to death.
As an example;

Pengguna: ToxicAG (Archived)

Topic: Topic: Opening a new gambling website 2020'

So, what if most people fall into this deadly gambling site, obviously people think "my money".
Many other sites like this, limiting posts to beginners, getting better, preventing better than treating, that's what @TMAN said.

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Quote from: logfiles on February 27, 2020, 07:46:31 PM

Too many restrictions to newbies is also a dangerous thing to the community in the long run. Much as we have so many scammers who come in using newbie accounts, we also have new genuine gambling sites that are first posted by newbies accounts.

I second this. Restricting newbie accounts further lead to the fact that legit sites and casinos dont have the chance to offer their services here or have to pay someone to post and host their thread - or for the copper membership. Newbie accounts are already verity limited, I definitly wouldnt restrict them even more.

Additionally, the rank of the BTC account means nothing and doesnt prevent you from being scamed in any way. Just take a look at the scam accusations subforum here. The vast majority of accusations are against accounts with high ranks. If someone has the sole intention to scam you, the fact that he has to invest a couple of weeks to reach member status here at the forum wont stop him.

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Good thing those sites that come out of the blue are receiving lots of replies and questions here right away. A big help and reference to all users that will just dive out to something without knowing the risks.

But I just wonder, are there really users who still fall on those sites nowadays that were shared here in the Gambling section? I mean it's an old classic fashioned way of attracting users and even some newbies know already that they need to do research before depositing their money, even if the site is legit or scam. Being a newbie shouldn't be a reason. I don't know what kind of standards they are looking for and just easily use those sites.

Are we going to blame the site alone here?

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Quote from: YOSHIE on February 27, 2020, 06:25:18 AM

sorry, i don't know if a topic like this has been created here.

I honestly know several gambling sites, which can be trusted to bet on this forum.

A little strange to me, for beginners who make the topic of gambling sites that end (scam), the most severe again at the first time gambling sites are made, beginners disappear never reply to what is asked by members here about the work of the gambling site.

Many people now fall into the valley of death for lost money, because gambling sites are not responsible.

what I want to ask is:

1. Mod can you, to limit any beginners and prohibit or delete posts on behalf of gambling sites, posted by beginners, it's up to gambling sites, whatever that is.
2. Give one posting rule on behalf of gambling sites must rank Jr. and above.
Also does not guarantee, for high-ranking members who bring gambling sites lead to fraud, but at least there is a reply from the answer, leads to something ....rather than beginners one post is instantly lost.

I think a few more ideas are needed from members here, in handling scam gambling sites.
Best solution.

The moderators on this forum does not moderate scams. If a user reads about a casino (which is also a post made by a newbie user) and tries to play on the casino without trying to learn further about the casino through some other source, then yeah that user does deserve to get scammed. At least he will be learning a valuable lesson and next time he is going to be really careful trusting a random user from the internet.

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Too many restrictions to newbies is also a dangerous thing to the community in the long run. Much as we have so many scammers who come in using newbie accounts, we also have new genuine gambling sites that are first posted by newbies accounts. Why should we make life harder for them in the forum?

Members should also learn to be vigilant instead of imposing restrictions in the forum all the time that will prevent genuine people from joining the forum.

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