Topic: POST BREXIT FUTURE FOR THE UNITED KINGDOM & THE EU (Read 542 times)

how is the customer more important than the producer thats a strange logic i can't understand.

Both the UK and the EU want the best possible deal they can get but one thing the EU has to concede is that the UK is their biggest trading partner so if the UK is buying billions of EUR worth of products from the EU then it will hit them harder than it will hit the UK.

The current UK Prime Minister is not a push-over like his predecessor (ex-Prime Minister May) and they EU have to got to accept what was announced a few days ago by the British government, they will not extend negotiations beyond 31st December 2020 and any deal needs to be signed then because the UK will not be part of the European Union from 1st January 2021 in any way shape or form or be bound by its treaties - unless it forms part of a new deal between the two parties.

maybe eu will treat norway like a doormat in the future and membership will turn out being cheaper than nonmembership

The goal of the UK is to be in the European Economic Area, just like Norway right now. The question is if both the British government and EU officials are looking for this solution.

From past statements of high-rank officials, it seems as if they wanted vengeance upon the Great Britain.

it is not, if uk would have a friendly relationship with the EU, if uk has a hostile relationship

it is completely reasonable for spain to demand gibraltar, for the sake of european safety. and its own spanish safety.

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jeah that passport is much weaker than the one you had before, and you know what, it is also not blue as promised but black

Here are the new British Passports, it is another important step to take as they break away from the European Union and the European Union single identity.

In the image below the one on the left is the new passport and the one on the right is the older passport that was used before the red EU passport.

Since I was not directly involved with the owner and only had a few conversations with him (client of a client as I said) I don't know everything but:
He is single, no idea about an apartment / home / or anything in the UK has a small apartment in France.

He moved out of furnished office space for about 25 people and the place they moved into is for about 40 it is much bigger then he needs / wants but it was in the same building that his original people in France were in so they just let him change his lease to the new space.

For the move, costs on the tech side, not that much. It's 2020; his phone server is cloud based, he document server is cloud based, it's was more of pick up 25 PCs put them in boxes, ship, unbox and get back to work. (as soon as I had the bigger better VPN between my client and his new service setup).

Can't speak to the cost of moving workers. Don't know if he did or just hired new ones or what. Did not come up. Yeah, that makes me sound harsh but all I cared about was can the new place communicate with SonicWall here in the US.

Biggest freak out for him was the number of his clients around the world that basically said that if nothing is firm and in place by the time contract renewal with him comes up they were not going to renew with him or even discuss it, but use a different service elsewhere. So he avoided the issue by moving.

-Dave

Edit: and to all the people in the UK and France. I don't remember the names of the places he moved from / to. It was like they are moving to XYZ and I said "Where?" and the reply was "Oh, it's about 10 miles out of Paris"
 

That does not make sense, could you elaborate please.


Air travel will be just one of the many intricate and complex issues need resolving. This includes agriculture, fishing, trade (including VAT, customs, excise, import/export), banking, intelligence sharing and so much more.

I disagree with you, they do not have to reach compromises as soon as possible, the status quo suits all parties because they have until 31st December 2020 to reach a deal. Most analysts say an extension will be made for another 3 or 6 months after that date to finalise any outstanding issues.

What an insane thing to do - Why would you want to move away from the probably golden expansion of the CANZUK alliance, and move into the contracting, bankrupt EU with all it's trading limitations, and onerous restrictions and taxes.

Ouch. Just thinking about how expensive this is to have to do, this is probably brutal for a business owner and has been freaking him out for months now.

Just cause I'm curious, was the client also living outside of Paris or was the office just for workers or something along those lines? Cause moving from London to Paris (I know you said outside of Paris) is going to be rough if you double the amount of things to think about, as you're not only dealing with your business but with your home and family moving as well.

How expensive is such a move? All in all that is.

paris is also no good solution as france is fucked up with its nazi movment too,

this all ends up making germany richer and richer sind germany is pro free trade with hole europe and is always pro eu, many companies want to invest and move to germany.

once germany was a nazi in europe today germany is antinazi and everywhere in europe are nazis, including the stupid brexit brits. who cry after the nazi states the eu took sovereignty away.

I really try to say out of the political side of the forum, but since I just had to deal with it:

GB for the moment is shooting themselves in the foot by dragging this out. I just helped a client of a client begin to do some IT work for their move out of GB (some place just outside of London) to another city just outside of Paris (where they already had a small office). Why? Not because they gave a crap about Brexit one way or another. But they have been trying to figure out what the next move would be. Where / when / what kind of deal and the owner just finally got fed up and said. Screw it, we have to renew our lease and some other contracts in 90 days. Lets just move and not deal with it.

If he knew what was going to happen he would have been happy to stay. But, since nobody knows 100% what is going to happen it's easier just to pack and move. It's just office workers so there is nothing to move in terms of machinery.

-Dave

uk doesnt deserve to use the EU flag, it needs a nazi swastika flag, since its all the time siding with nazis in europe

Leaving without an agreement can only mean that both sides have not yet decided what they want to get.The problem can be created for those who will make air flights (it is necessary to mark the air borders). I think they need to reach common compromises as soon as possible.

I agree. There were all sorts of lies and misinformation being spread about what would happen to the economy and what would happen to the queues of heavy goods vehicles at ports such as Folkestone and Dover with propaganda peddling merchants saying 10 mile long queues would be normal but the lowest of the low liars were the ones saying that medicine in pharmacies would run out within 1 month of a no-deal Brexit.

There is no doomsday for the UK, it will make trade-deals (free or otherwise) with major economies around the world and make a new path which will involve close co-operation with the EU on multiple fronts such as trade, security, intelligence and a lot more while being a proud sovereign independent country but for sure it is the end of the EU in its current manifestation. It might be the first time a members state has voted to leave but it will not be the last time it happens. If a far-right government comes in to power in France or Germany then leaves the EU with or without a referendum - the EU will have nothing left. The irony for them is the architects of the European project were the ones who will ultimately lead it to its demise because of lack of foresight on how to hold together a group of 27 different nations with different agenda with different cultures and societies.

there will be a deal. just like there is a friggen deal with america, asica africa and other area's.
heck did you know that russia has iphones.. kfc, nike sneakers, mcdonalds.. yea russia and america trade and they meant to be enemies.

if you think the UK has to be in the EU to trade with countries .. then how come people can buy champagne, belgium chocolate and swiss  cheese in america. when america aint EU

the UK will trade with europe. no question.
the tarrifs wont be 500% .. they will be 5-12%.. no one cares for a 5-12% rate.
if you just go actually do research you will see that the details are done.. but if you listen to media propaganda you will hear apocalypse stories of how doomsday is happening.

sorry no doomsday.. its just media drama.

Leaving without a deal means uncertainty for trade and commerce (though WTO rules would kick-in) but the issues over airspace for commercial flights and movement of people (those UK citizens living in the EU and those EU citizens living in the UK)  as well as other issues. Better to leave with some sort of deal for both parties.




No it is not unreasonable for Spain to demand Gibraltar by claiming Gibraltar belongs to Spain.

Equally, it is not unreasonable for the UK to demand Spain stop claiming Gibraltar because it is part of the British Overseas Territory.

A brief look at history will show you why both Spain and the UK claim Gibraltar as their own.

I def feel it will be a No-Deal Brexit for the time being but then they'll hv fresh negotiations by end of 2021. It wud help to kickstart a new deal without the baggage of the past.

Also, post-Brexit future depends alot on the leadership being provided, with the current one, no offence, but u r going to d dogs. But with a better leader at times such moves help too (eg. Singapore breaking away from the Malay federation)

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Also Can someone explain if it is reasonable for Spain to demand Gibraltar?

The UK is officially no longer a member of the European Union, they have pulled out and have exited. Their mutual flags are no longer being displayed respectively.

It is much more than that a "we need to divorce" scenario, the divorce has happened. Until 31st December 2020 (which is when the transition period ends) the status quo continues, it serves the UK and EU purpose for allowing negotiations to go on therefore most EU regulations and laws continue to be applied including the free movement of people but I see that as a small price to pay while talks are on-going.

Most analysts see it almost impossible to have a free trade deal between the UK and EU tied up by 31st December 2020 and think an extension seems plausible but I doubt it. The fear of a n0-deal Brexit would hit the EU much harder than it would hit the UK and with them knowing they are dealing with a British PM that is taking a no-nonsense approach to exiting the EU then it would be better for all parties to expedite the process.