Topic: Posters that you think are lame: Are they bulls or bears? (Read 2537 times)

So is your general tone an excretion of opinion, or manipulation?

It's a stab at a possibly useful indicator.

i dont understand how this post has anything to do with speculation

I could name a few names on the perma Bull side (probably Bears too), but due to this:


I won't

anyone who says theyre a perma bull is lying. anyone who says they are a perma bear is a liar.   nothing goes up forever.  nothing goes down forever.  the market dictates if you're feeling bullish/bearish. if you have enough fiat or btc to swing the market, youre not a bull or a bear ; youre a manipulator.

I wouldn't call someone who has been a bull the whole way down from $266 to $90 and only now turned a bear 'most intelligent'. Maybe they are intelligent but not on the speculation front in my book as they just lost more than -50% of their investment.

For some reason the ones that irritate you do not bother me that much. Their position is obviously undeveloped, I don't even finish reading their sentence. It's the ones that write more intelligently that are a danger to my finances: the high ranked permabulls and pigs.

Here on speculation forum, a couple of most intelligent people have recently been bears.
The most devoted and intelligent long-term bulls are not here, they are out there doing stuff, coding, promoting, etc.
What has irritates me particularly are the guys that say, like, "it will go down tomorrow, you moron!", or, "you stupid bear, sell now and regret forever!"

I don't think people that are bearish today are Pigs. I'm bearish myself today but do not consider myself a pig because I was even more bearish when price was around $200, and shared this also with the forum. I helped people lock in profits whereas pigs worked against people locking in profits when it mattered most.

(The numbers $200 and $100 are indeed arbitrarily chosen to give an example of a high price and considerably lower price.)

Could you elaborate on the bolded? What analysis are you using to determine that those who think bitcoin is overvalued anywhere below $100 are wrong... let alone pigs? $100-200 seems like a very arbitrary range -- I see no basis for it.

People that annoy me are those that dismiss and ignore my arguments and cost a fortune when following them:

1. Permabulls: they are always bullish, when prices are relatively low but also when prices are relatively high. Try to explain them that you just lost -50% of your investment in bitcoins now that price dropped from $200 to below $100 and see how they respond ... Likely you will get no understanding or sympathy from them for your loss. Instead they will deny reality 'you didn't really lose because ...' / remind you of past success 'I'm still up in total', and/or level up 'buy more!'. If bitcoin fails you will lose all your hard earned money with their strategy but if bitcoin succeeds they will become rich so as long as you always follow them, in ups and downs, and always hold and buy more it will likely work out but it will not be easy. Since their strategy will lead to devastating losses from time to time, and they will deny this reality, it is tempting to let go of them once a bear market is in full force making you an easy victim to:

2. Pigs: those that are bullish when prices are relatively high and bearish when prices are relatively low. Yes, you are one of them if you were bullish around $200 and bearish now that price is below $100! Pigs get slaughtered so following them is a recipe for disaster.

3. Trolls: Those that try to influence the market by spamming the board with their bullish/bearish outlook.


Note that some of them are not in denial and recognize they are acting like permabulls, pigs or trolls. I like those and feel a desire to help them. It's those that are in denial or straight out lie about their many errors that irritate me.

That being said this is the most exciting board I have ever attended. I find many interesting and diverse opinions here from rational and kind people with sometimes even strong economic and investment backgrounds. Regularly I read someone's whole post history.

Is there a way to bookmark a certain user via the forum?

Whoops, reading comprehension escapes me sometimes!

Fair enough! I thought you were talking about bears and their reasoning in general. Thanks for clarification!

The results of this poll are not open to "opinion on direction". They are simple facts. The results were strongly skewed towards bears when he posted, and they still are.

Who was lying? Having an opinion about direction is not FUD or lying

There appears to be a slight intellectual advantage to the bears. Among the bulls, there is the "just because" crowd who just screams without any justification or explanation. The bears at least try to rationalize and support their pre-decided position.

Wow, you really managed to really make yourself look like a dumbass now, didn't you.

It is exactly this kind of thing that made me vote for why Bears are irritating.

Over-optimism is one thing. Lying and FUD are quite another.

THIS, all day long brother!

As a trader, I am Bearish because it can't go up in a straight line. It went up too far, too fast. And this correction was long overdue.
Long term, I am a Bitcoin Bull. No doubt about that. Or I wouldn't have been here for 2½ years, and I wouldn't have 50% of my holdings offline.

We aren't "riding on others' backs, getting free money". What many of us do takes time, skill, patience, and discipline to make the piles money we make. I should say the same about the perma-Bulls around here. They ride on the backs of the newcomers, hoping for some other sucker to take them "To da moooon". Ups and downs come with the territory in financial markets. So, to say Bears are just FUDing shit up is just plain ignorant.

Get your emotion out of your investments, learn how markets work, and profit from it! Simple!

Say what? At present the score is:

bullish - 17 votes

bearish - 23 votes

neutral - 18 votes

At first it was about even but the bears appear to be pulling away.

How many of those extra six votes are actually due to one obnoxious bear troll though?

This is not a bull community.
And as you can see, most of the dumbass are bullish according to the poll