Topic: Posting as Jet Cash and JetAid in the same thread. (Read 649 times)

Flying Hellfish did send me a well reasoned PM.

It was me who brought it to Meta. Probably because I still resent having some of my threads in mining and elsewhere deleted.

I think this thread may have run its course, so it might be best if I lock it.

I'm under the impression this wasn't reported but more of a thing FH wanted to point out to jet cash so it doesn't happen more in that section of the forum.

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Also with the multiposting thing: if someone gave me a chocolate cake, I'd be happy; if someone gave me two, i'd be happier but not much happier than if I only had one; if someone gave me 6 or ten, I reckon I'd be a lot more happier. (I'm in a creative mood this week)...

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I feel like this is a thread that could have been better dealt with via pm. There's nothing against multiposting generally as long as it isn't done so much and is for a valid reason however, I can see why FH would like to reduce it on P&S.

It's really a question of time management, and I used the "jet" prefix to try to avoid confusion, and simplify my thread searches.

It's not a major issue for me, as I've said my piece, and had reasonable replies, so maybe we should move on.

As i said - it says more about the reporter, and the snowflakes who support globalisation and the associated eugenics.

I realize you quoted me, but I'm not sure if this question was directed towards me or not, I didn't report the post... but if you want my general opinion, it would be that any back-to-back post by a single entity (especially in a short timeframe) could be deemed (#32. Posting multiple posts in a row), so it should be avoided if you don't want to get a warning (or mod wrist slappings ). It was probably more of an issue to the reporter that it was coming from an alt, but that's me speculating.

While I would have preferred an edit on your prior post, I wouldn't have felt the need to report it.

I do personally dislike it when people post from alts to try an create false perceptions for whatever the topic may be, or to sort of induce herd mentality to create fake support for a cause, project, or even an opinion.. but that's just because it's dishonest behavior IMO. (I don't believe that's what was happening here though.)

The feedback is consistent with what I've done with other alts I've come across that do not appear shady, but I believe it's still potentially relevant information to have there for others.

That was different. As far as I recall he was just continually and excessively posting back to back needlessly. Situations like this should probably be taken on a case by case basis, but merely posting back to back on alts shouldn't be grounds for getting into trouble. What if theymos makes a post then is afk and makes a later post on theymos_away back to back? There is obviously nothing wrong with that. If I was doing it continually on my alts then you might have a case, but in this situation I don't think there's an issue. I would try to avoid such practice unless you have a genuine reason for making a post back to back, but that whole rule was just to stop sig spammers just obviously taking advantage and trying to needlessly inflate their post count which obviously doesn't apply here.

Thanks for the supportive comments, but I don't think I dare award any merits to you guys, sorry.

It looks as if I did slip up in this case, and, unfortunately, I don't remember the circumstances. I have tried to generate some real political discussions on the politics board, but it's a bit difficult, as I seem to be a bit focused on the problems of creeping globalism.

I think it is interesting that the alt that has caused the problems is JetAid, and that was declared as an alt right from its initial registration. It is the alt that was created to help me to find meritable posts. My other alt - Talk Merit, was created to test the upranking system for new members, and I believe it achieved member rank in the fastest time, and it was not declared as an alt until it had received its first 10 merits.

What all this has done for me is to make me realise that I am spending to much time trying to impose my ideas on the forum, and I will make some changes to optimise things for me. I'll probably use snow eagle for my own use, and I may delete the Jet Cash ignore list, and start a new one that just includes post formatters and image abusers. They do slow down reading for me, but other members seem to enjoy such posts. This will mean that I won't have to use JetAid in hunting for meritable posts. I appreciate that this will mean that some boards and posters will not be viewed, but I don't really see a viable alternative for me.

I don't really understand the trust comment, but as I have only made one trade here, and I'm not interested in bounties, it doesn't really affect me.

I've just checked the JetAid profile, and I've a a comment to the personal text. I thought I did then when it was registered,but maybe there is a restriction for newbies that stopped that. I did provide a website link, and that goes to https://JetCash.com, but members probably don't check those links - they can be quite interesting.

I wish everyone would read the fucking thread...

No one thought of or mentioned banning Jet Cash, that is simply absurd.

No one has said posting in a thread with 2 diff accounts is against the rules.

I did not remove his post, I sent a very polite PM asking him to avoid doing it in the future because we have a lot of people that refuse to edit posts and post multiple times in a row in the P&S section (which is against the rules) so rather than remove them I asked Jet and many other users to not do it.

I see ibminer tagged you and Jetaid as Alt account (no tag in Talk Merit account.) I will suggest you add this relationship yourself in your trust page in all 3 accounts.
Somebody is really jealous (because multiple examples exist where people multiposted) in reporting them (but not exactly wrong.)
I will suggest to use a single account in a thread to reply because it might be confusing to a newbie (or some body unaware of relationship) why question asked to Jet Cash is replied by Jetaid or vice versa.

@Jet cash do this. What I'm calling the "stare at a broken clock" principle from now on (also known as getting a non plugged in toaster to accept your bread - I saw someone do that about a month ago)....

The principle of the strategy is to take the battery out of your clock and stare at it on the mantlepiece and use your mental powers to move it, once you realise that you either can't do it, can't be bothered to keep mentally moving it forwards every minute or realise that you got a clock to keep the time so you shouldn't have to then you'll go back and be happy with it (although this isn't a task you should repeat, don't try it every week to see if you can still move the second hand of your clock to get it to work). There are some annoying bounty spammers here who are really annoying, and jet cash clearly has an ignore list for a reason.
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There are no rules about posting with alts in the same threads, there are no rules about declaring the alts that you're using. Clearly your mistake was actually declaring you have alts or that you didn't put the user who sent you a PM directly on ignore (unless it was theymos).

He is here on a voluntary basis and normally to share knowledge, that's more than the mods are doing (getting paid theri teenth of a bitcoin every so often - no offence to mods it's kinda the truth though)...
He'd have to do what bruno did to get banned for multiposting (posting five posts back to back on several occasions within a very short space of time ) probably impossible for Jet Cash. It does sometiems also seem like the rules a a lot more relaxed for those who aren't here to earn from tehri posting, as people paid to post if you write three successive posts then there's clearly an issue you have somewhere (I might have done it once just to clear up a few quotes that I wanted to post because it's nice to limit your posts to about three quotes from three pepole sometimes and make a new post below it about a separate topic that's still on topic, however it isn't really something that should be encouraged but sometime it just makes sense to do it).

@ibminer, I put your post down to excessive pedanticism. I think most members wll have done multiposting in the past as it just makes something you want to say stand out a bit if you put it on its own, otherwise people miss it and I'm very self indulgent so people should know what I want to say so that they can get from it the most that they possibly can .

@Jet Cash since the new login ssytem came out, I can show you how to make a shortcut so you can switch accounts by clicking each individual shortcur on your desktop/phone?

IIRC, anonymint was banned for multiposting right? And he wasn't in a campaign either. Or am I tripping?

I believe excessive posting using alts and not quoting anyone and talking just in general might get your account/s in trouble, unless you excess the character count which is almost never the case. So just be careful. Because bitches mods do be crazy sometimes. _jk

Whoops! I don't remember doing that. I guess that is trying to do too much too quickly. I was probably watching youtube whilst I was posting. I get a bit heated about the whole Eton/Oxford control of Britain and the Western world. Maybe I should avoid posting about it here.

Just out of interest though, what was wrong with the sequence in a political discussion. It is an extremely important issue, and it affects all of us all over the world.

Anyway, I apologise for my impatience in my posting.

Thanks Ibminer I believe I copied the wrong link in my PM.  IIRC this was the reported posts.

And again I am not deleting the post it isn't a problem but rules are there to follow for all, so I asked for assistance so I DON'T CENSOR posts LOL...

So what does this and this qualify as?
(and no, I wasn't the person reporting the posts.)

I don't think I have ever posted concecutively in such a short time, unless it was to split a long topic, and then it would be the same poster.

I assumed that it was the opening post that was made on the 5th October, and a bump post that was made on the 6th October as the thread had not received any replies, and it was about Brexit. A topic that is of major importance to me.

They were back to back within a few minutes of each other, post 1 and 2 in the thread.  Post #2 is currently about 45 mins after the OP and your jet aid post was #2 before it was removed (I did not remove it btw as I said it could stay without any problem I just asked you to not do it again).

A relatively large number of people in the P&S section are posting back to back to back to back (not you but this was a very quick multi-post that again I left because it wasn't an issue).

I have started to tighten up on a number of members who post back to back with in 24 hours.  A simple update of the post above it is more than easy to do and does help keep the thread tidy, I assumed you of all people would appreciate a tidy readable thread!

It has nothing to do with censoring, what account you posted or the content, this is was a request, which I have made to a number of regulars to assist me in making threads comply without me having to remove users posts.

Post with jet aid, jet cash, fittotalk, talktomyself, talktothevoicesinmyhead or any other name you wish sir, I honestly don't care but as a courtesy to the forum and other users I ask we all follow the rules!

For reference here is the PM I sent:

Hey Jet Cash,

I got a report from a user about multi-posting in your thread.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46528162 (Edit I made a mistake in the link in the PM this is not the posts in questions, my apologies for the confusion).

Technically multi-posting across accounts AFAIK is still against the rules.  I am going to leave the posts as it wasn't done as spam and it doesn't really bother me from a good user and mark the report as handled but if I could ask for you to avoid doing this again in the future please that would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
FH

What I don't understand is how it was interpreted as the problem being posting on 2 accounts in the same thread, I specifically mention multi-posting across accounts, I never said multi accounts weren't permitted in a thread!


This is silly conjecture because you can re-post the exact same information as an update in your post above it and IT WILL NOT be deleted.  So if that was his hope it was stupid because it won't fucking work! I didn't delete or ask you to delete I specifically said I would leave the post without issue!

You could also re-post it now, from any account you want and I won't delete it either.  I don't care if a user reports a post he doesn't like it if it isn't breaking the rules it isn't going anywhere.  There are almost no posts removed (by me) for the actual content of the post so if a post is removed thats not spam, figure out why it was removed and re-post it properly because I assure you it was not the content that got a non spammy post removed.

I think they were adjacent, but not made on the same day.

I don't have a problem with the mod in question, he was very helpful and constructive.

I think whoever reported it is the sad case, and it was probably done because he didn't agree with my comment, but he wasn't man enough to speak out with his opinion. But of course, that is just my conjecture.

theymos and hilariousandco have also done this a few times with their alt account. I do not think there's any problem with that. There could be one if it was an attempt to manipulate a discussion, commenting on the same topic as different people only to increase posts fom a signature campaign, to bump the topic, or something unclear about the real intentions.

theymos and theymos away

Don't know about Jet Cash's thought about that, but I sure as hell wouldn't do it.  My ignore list is extensive, and the members on it are fully deserving of their spots.  With very few exceptions: once a shitposter, always a shitposter.  I've never seen anybody I can think of who magically started posting useful (or even interesting) stuff.

Jet Cash, I've seen you posting in threads with both accounts, and I don't think that's a problem.  It's not like you were pretending to have one alt respond to the post of another, which is exactly what some bounty spammers do.  I think I've seen LoyceV post with his main account and his "mobile" alt in the same thread, and I've never thought anything of it.  Someone actually complained about you doing this?  Did you get a warning from a mod or something?

Is this actually against the rules?  I will admit that I haven't looked at the rules for quite a while, but I don't remember any of them covering what JC was doing. 

I didn't think there was an issue with the way you post, as verified by hiariousandco.

I tend to get a laugh, or assume you are having a crisis of identity at the moment. Now I just have the boring facts about your ignore list.


I don't use ignore myself, but if I did taking everyone off would be the last thing I'd do. I think the work around of spending some time as one of the "Jets" is a good workaround. I'm sure the shock of logging in under the alt is enough, so Jet still needs a safe space for their eyes in the end.

Maybe give everyone on your ignore list a chance? By unignoring them for a period of time to see if you encounter anything unpleasant again from them or not. This way, you won't miss any meritable post posted by a user on your ignore list, and you can always put them back on ignore if they continue to annoy you.

By the way, I didn't know about the rule you are talking about. Never seen it in the rules.


I see. I was also wondering about that since it is not mentioned anywhere that posting with two accounts in one thread is not allowed as long as they are not lined back to back.