Topic: Potential Banning of Whatsapp in UK / Dispution of BTC businesses ?? - page 2. (Read 3028 times)
July 13, 2015, 12:04:04 PM
i had a question about this potential banning of encryption, i bet the ban is only for civilian applications most likely corporations, government and military can still use encryption.
July 13, 2015, 10:47:07 AM
There's a couple of quid in line already for the Sir Humphreys: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33469450
July 13, 2015, 07:06:48 AM
"There has been some way to measure success in the Service. British Leyland [car manufacture] can measure success by the size of its profits. However, the Civil Service does not make profits or losses. Ergo, we measure success by the size of our staff and our budget. By definition a big department is more successful than a small one." -- Sir Humphrey Appleby
July 13, 2015, 06:43:25 AM
Government agencies have to fight for their budgets. The only way to survive, and expand is to lean on politicians.
The NSA and GCHQ are under threat, because of the ever increasing use of encryption, which reduces their roll, and thus budget.
This is about jobs, and expense accounts. What better way to keep the good times going, by scaring people. All part of the toolkit to manipulate politicians and popular opinion.
The NSA and GCHQ are under threat, because of the ever increasing use of encryption, which reduces their roll, and thus budget.
This is about jobs, and expense accounts. What better way to keep the good times going, by scaring people. All part of the toolkit to manipulate politicians and popular opinion.
Indeed that is exactly what it is.
Wasn't there an issue with the FBI saying that Apple and Samsung are making their job difficult with the new phone encryption?
When will people get you can't stop Bitcoin and no government on this planet has the power to stop it....
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
I second this, but as from the articles, it seems they are just trying to censor its people. They want to invade on their privacy hence the banning of things that involve encryption and privacy.
Yeah, but the average Joe doesn't mind because they don't understand or know about these things.
The ones who know and respect their privacy will not stop using encryption, which means that the ban is an absolute fail before it's even imposed.
July 13, 2015, 06:33:04 AM
When will people get you can't stop Bitcoin and no government on this planet has the power to stop it....
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
I second this, but as from the articles, it seems they are just trying to censor its people. They want to invade on their privacy hence the banning of things that involve encryption and privacy.
July 13, 2015, 06:28:02 AM
Government agencies have to fight for their budgets. The only way to survive, and expand is to lean on politicians.
The NSA and GCHQ are under threat, because of the ever increasing use of encryption, which reduces their roll, and thus budget.
This is about jobs, and expense accounts. What better way to keep the good times going, by scaring people. All part of the toolkit to manipulate politicians and popular opinion.
The NSA and GCHQ are under threat, because of the ever increasing use of encryption, which reduces their roll, and thus budget.
This is about jobs, and expense accounts. What better way to keep the good times going, by scaring people. All part of the toolkit to manipulate politicians and popular opinion.
July 13, 2015, 06:13:54 AM
So if I understand correctly, the British prime minister wants to ban every PGP, P2P encrypted message/data transmission application/service from UK?
How exactly is he going to do that?
How exactly is he going to do that?
In the same way you ban drugs. You cant actually stop people using/distributing drugs, but you can make it illegal.
So whilst an individual might take the risk, a legit company would not. Google would have to block apps in the UK play store that don't comply.
Unfortunately most people haven't got a clue, and anything that will "stop terrorists" must be a good thing. In reality, companies will follow the profits, even if that means having to comply.
He cannot stop terrorists from using secure communications by banning them.
I think it's an excuse so that they can eavesdrop on everyone more freely (and legally), much like the NSA does.
Speaking of which, didn't the U.S. do something similar with the NSA?
I think they made a new law after the September 11 incident.
July 13, 2015, 06:04:55 AM
So if I understand correctly, the British prime minister wants to ban every PGP, P2P encrypted message/data transmission application/service from UK?
How exactly is he going to do that?
How exactly is he going to do that?
In the same way you ban drugs. You cant actually stop people using/distributing drugs, but you can make it illegal.
So whilst an individual might take the risk, a legit company would not. Google would have to block apps in the UK play store that don't comply.
Unfortunately most people haven't got a clue, and anything that will "stop terrorists" must be a good thing. In reality, companies will follow the profits, even if that means having to comply.
July 13, 2015, 05:41:59 AM
I think getgems is based on telegram, or am I wrong? However at the end everyone is free to use whatever he wants ( everything but not whatsapp
It's a telegram client, but much more superior and pretty much the most innovative messenger around. The perfect messenger for a crypto enhousiast.
July 13, 2015, 05:01:43 AM
So if I understand correctly, the British prime minister wants to ban every PGP, P2P encrypted message/data transmission application/service from UK?
How exactly is he going to do that?
How exactly is he going to do that?
I don't think he's figured that part out yet. And even if he did, what's to stop terrorists making their plans outside of the UK, using whatever encrypted services they like, then coming into the UK to carry out the plan? He's just a gibbering idiot who needs a slap across his giant shiny face. Let's see how long the list of reasons why he's wrong is now...
- 1. It's not actually possible to ban an entire branch of mathematics
2. Even if it were, nefarious people could still use encrypted messages outside of the country
3. It's duplicitous when they're trying to cripple FOI requests and deleting their own documents so the public can't find out what they're getting up to
4. The UK economy relies on encryption and the Tories are desperately trying (but failing) to paint themselves as a party we can trust with the economy (but we don't)
5. The business sectors who tend to rely most on encryption, which he would leave alone, are the ones who pay the most towards his election campaigns, so more double standards there
6. He's undermining his own security and intelligence agency because they want to educate the public about encryption and recognise the benefits to the UK economy
7. It's a blatant underhand attempt to sneak towards increased authoritarianism and no one in their right mind is going to allow that
8. He's a moronic moonfaced cockwomble who needs to be fired out of a cannon into the sun
Anyone got anything else?
July 13, 2015, 04:31:58 AM
So UK Prime Minister David Cameron is sticking to his guns with respect to his Conservative party planning which involves anti-trust and "Snooper" charter in turn, with respect to digital telecommunications and encryption.
Media in the UK this week begun speculating that this would affect digital messaging services like WhatsApp, iMessage and Snapchat and that any PGP/End to End P2P data transmission services would be BANNED.
I'm concerned at the moment because of it's potential implication to BTC and BTC-related services that currently operate in the UK.
The UK is a significant part of current BTC market, however most of BTC's use there is based on third-party services which are available over the internet. I fear that these service would be prohibited to operate.
i.e Localbitcoins stopped it's service within Germany for potentially violating by-laws early this year.
The UK is parent to the other Countries/States within the Commonwealth realm and thus affect them also in time?
Antigua and Barbuda 1981 Realm
Australia 1931 Realm
The Bahamas 1973 Realm
Bangladesh 1972 Republic
Barbados 1966 Realm
Belize 1981 Realm
Botswana 1966 Republic
Brunei 1984 Monarchy
Cameroon 1995 Republic
Canada 1931 Realm
Cyprus 1961 Republic
Dominica 1978 Republic
Fiji 1970 (rejoined in 1997 after 10 year lapse) Republic
Ghana 1957 Republic
Grenada 1974 Realm
Guyana 1966 Republic
India 1947 Republic
Jamaica 1962 Realm
Kenya 1963 Republic
Kiribati 1979 Republic
Lesotho 1966 Monarchy
Malawi 1964 Republic
Malaysia 1957 Monarchy
The Maldives 1982 Republic
Malta 1964 Republic
Mauritius 1968 Republic
Mozambique 1995 Republic
Namibia 1990 Republic
Nauru 1968 Republic
New Zealand 1931 Realm
Nigeria 1960 Republic
Pakistan 1947 Republic
Papua New Guinea 1975 Realm
Rwanda 2009 Republic
St. Christopher and Nevis 1983 Realm
St. Lucia 1979 Realm
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 1979 Realm
Samoa 1970 Republic
Seychelles 1976 Republic
Sierra Leone 1961 Republic
Singapore 1965 Republic
Solomon Islands 1978 Realm
South Africa 1931
(withdrew in 1961,
rejoined in 1994) Republic
Sri Lanka 1948 Republic
Swaziland 1968 Monarchy
Tanzania 1961 Republic
Tonga 1970 Monarchy
Trinidad and Tobago 1962 Republic
Tuvalu 1978 Realm
United Kingdom Realm
Uganda 1962 Republic
Vanuatu 1980 Republic
Zambia 1964 Republic
^ above just copied/pasted
Hopefully the Government will have little controll over disruption of BTC services and that fully regulated services providers will fully vet/take all acceptable client due dilagence for compliance. Certain services in alternative data transmission have been blocked by many ISP's.
http://www.coindesk.com/would-uk-encryption-ban-kill-bitcoin/
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/10/snoopers-charter-bill-causes-social-outcry-as-government-looks-to-ban-whatsapp-and-others_n_7768768.html
Media in the UK this week begun speculating that this would affect digital messaging services like WhatsApp, iMessage and Snapchat and that any PGP/End to End P2P data transmission services would be BANNED.
I'm concerned at the moment because of it's potential implication to BTC and BTC-related services that currently operate in the UK.
The UK is a significant part of current BTC market, however most of BTC's use there is based on third-party services which are available over the internet. I fear that these service would be prohibited to operate.
i.e Localbitcoins stopped it's service within Germany for potentially violating by-laws early this year.
The UK is parent to the other Countries/States within the Commonwealth realm and thus affect them also in time?
Antigua and Barbuda 1981 Realm
Australia 1931 Realm
The Bahamas 1973 Realm
Bangladesh 1972 Republic
Barbados 1966 Realm
Belize 1981 Realm
Botswana 1966 Republic
Brunei 1984 Monarchy
Cameroon 1995 Republic
Canada 1931 Realm
Cyprus 1961 Republic
Dominica 1978 Republic
Fiji 1970 (rejoined in 1997 after 10 year lapse) Republic
Ghana 1957 Republic
Grenada 1974 Realm
Guyana 1966 Republic
India 1947 Republic
Jamaica 1962 Realm
Kenya 1963 Republic
Kiribati 1979 Republic
Lesotho 1966 Monarchy
Malawi 1964 Republic
Malaysia 1957 Monarchy
The Maldives 1982 Republic
Malta 1964 Republic
Mauritius 1968 Republic
Mozambique 1995 Republic
Namibia 1990 Republic
Nauru 1968 Republic
New Zealand 1931 Realm
Nigeria 1960 Republic
Pakistan 1947 Republic
Papua New Guinea 1975 Realm
Rwanda 2009 Republic
St. Christopher and Nevis 1983 Realm
St. Lucia 1979 Realm
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 1979 Realm
Samoa 1970 Republic
Seychelles 1976 Republic
Sierra Leone 1961 Republic
Singapore 1965 Republic
Solomon Islands 1978 Realm
South Africa 1931
(withdrew in 1961,
rejoined in 1994) Republic
Sri Lanka 1948 Republic
Swaziland 1968 Monarchy
Tanzania 1961 Republic
Tonga 1970 Monarchy
Trinidad and Tobago 1962 Republic
Tuvalu 1978 Realm
United Kingdom Realm
Uganda 1962 Republic
Vanuatu 1980 Republic
Zambia 1964 Republic
^ above just copied/pasted
Hopefully the Government will have little controll over disruption of BTC services and that fully regulated services providers will fully vet/take all acceptable client due dilagence for compliance. Certain services in alternative data transmission have been blocked by many ISP's.
http://www.coindesk.com/would-uk-encryption-ban-kill-bitcoin/
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/10/snoopers-charter-bill-causes-social-outcry-as-government-looks-to-ban-whatsapp-and-others_n_7768768.html
So if I understand correctly, the British prime minister wants to ban every PGP, P2P encrypted message/data transmission application/service from UK?
How exactly is he going to do that?
July 13, 2015, 04:14:59 AM
Well UK is known for making stupid law....
Remember the early auto industry age? Automobile is so dangerous so we should make a law that require a dude to run ahead of the automobile with a flag to make sure everyone is safe.....
Remember the early auto industry age? Automobile is so dangerous so we should make a law that require a dude to run ahead of the automobile with a flag to make sure everyone is safe.....
I believe this law was pushed forward via the railway and horse-drawn carriage industries. It was in their best interests to suppress the automobiles as they were an obvious threat.
Bit like the banks suppressing bitcoin really.
July 13, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
Well UK is known for making stupid law....
Remember the early auto industry age? Automobile is so dangerous so we should make a law that require a dude to run ahead of the automobile with a flag to make sure everyone is safe.....
Remember the early auto industry age? Automobile is so dangerous so we should make a law that require a dude to run ahead of the automobile with a flag to make sure everyone is safe.....
July 13, 2015, 02:33:17 AM
Cameron is making sure everyone starts turning towards bitcoin eventually by trying to control everything. Good job cameron a true bitcoiner.
July 13, 2015, 01:56:01 AM
This proposal will only hurt the UK by making data more insecure to attackers and encouraging businesses to move to a jurisdiction where data protection (encryption) is allowed.
Do you want your medical and financial records stored by companies in encrypted or unencrypted folders? This proposal is bad for the UK economy
Do you want your medical and financial records stored by companies in encrypted or unencrypted folders? This proposal is bad for the UK economy
Exactly the same thoughts. What will be the next move after this? No doors and curtains for the houses so everybody can peek in?
Also company business will be affected. Encryption is key in e.g. research companies too where trade secrets are kept. Those are simply not allowed to leak through.
I have kind of lost hope a few years ago when internet providers chose that adult content is opt-out by default and if you want to watch then you have to tell your provider that "Hey, switch it on for me, because I'm interested". Or so it was back then I'm not sure if this has changed since. Blocking content and now potentially is a dangerous path as we don't know where it leads.
July 12, 2015, 06:17:07 PM
You can always count on our government to establish new laws which will encourage cyber crime.
"One gate closed, one million gates opened" - NyeFe
"One gate closed, one million gates opened" - NyeFe
July 12, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
This proposal will only hurt the UK by making data more insecure to attackers and encouraging businesses to move to a jurisdiction where data protection (encryption) is allowed.
Do you want your medical and financial records stored by companies in encrypted or unencrypted folders? This proposal is bad for the UK economy
Do you want your medical and financial records stored by companies in encrypted or unencrypted folders? This proposal is bad for the UK economy
July 12, 2015, 05:34:57 PM
Well at least I got the news on the UK wanting to ban secure communications...
Telegram and other encrypted chat software: problem is it is so trendy these days and there are too many of them. Those who use something are spread out. I use e.g. TextSecure
I don't think bitcoin can be shut down in the country, too many ways to access it. Also, the plans are more about banning communications, isn't it?
Telegram and other encrypted chat software: problem is it is so trendy these days and there are too many of them. Those who use something are spread out. I use e.g. TextSecure
I don't think bitcoin can be shut down in the country, too many ways to access it. Also, the plans are more about banning communications, isn't it?
July 12, 2015, 05:19:46 PM
Who needs WhasApp when there is
I think getgems is based on telegram, or am I wrong? However at the end everyone is free to use whatever he wants ( everything but not whatsapp
). July 12, 2015, 05:11:02 PM
Who needs WhasApp when there is
Jump to: