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donator
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February 09, 2013, 03:10:01 AM
#25
I'm a huge proponent of electronic freedom...but I will likely ways own an apple phone. Why?
It works. It works well and doesn't require me spending time to make it work well. If I really need freedom on it, I jail break it until they come out with new features on the sanctioned platform. Right now, I have blockchain.info app on my phone. If they take it away, I'll give it back to myself via jail breaking. I'd jailbreak 10 times before buying a non-apple phone.

That's not to say I'm happy about their self- interested policing of the App Store. But having a a non-vetted crap store is worse than useless to me.
hero member
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February 09, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
#24
My guess is that within 5 years or less, Apple will have decisively lost the smartphone wars and we won't care too much if they decide to shoot themselves in the foot by banning Bitcoin apps.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/08/technology/smartphone-market-share/index.html


legendary
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Monero Core Team
February 08, 2013, 01:23:50 PM
#23
Easy fix for the apple issue... don't purchase apple products.  They are a proprietary, closed source, greedy, forcing their users what they should do and what to download.  SO out with the apple-crap-in-toss.  Use Linux or Android.  Windoze is ok - but dangerous for trojans and viri.

Big brother is Apple.  "Do as we say, not as we do."

Sincerely,
Your non apple conformist.
TC.




Microsoft Windows used to be ok. However since the passage of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in the United States at the end of the last century Microsoft has been moving in slow incremental steps to a complete lockdown of Windows. Windows 8 RT is the end product completely locked down and censored, just like an iPhone or an iPad.  It is the frog in boiling water scenario. Throw a frog into a pot of boiling water and it will jump out; however raise the heat gradually to a boil and you will cook the frog.

So unless one plans on running Windows 3.1 stick with FLOSS such as GNU/Linux.
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February 08, 2013, 02:54:41 AM
#22
Easy fix for the apple issue... don't purchase apple products.  They are a proprietary, closed source, greedy, forcing their users what they should do and what to download.  SO out with the apple-crap-in-toss.  Use Linux or Android.  Windoze is ok - but dangerous for trojans and viri.

Big brother is Apple.  "Do as we say, not as we do."

Sincerely,
Your non apple conformist.
TC.


legendary
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Monero Core Team
February 08, 2013, 12:35:24 AM
#21
I could never understand why on earth would anyone buy an apple product and let apple choose what is allowed to run on their device!!!!



This situation is not limited to Apple. Microsoft has created the same situation with Windows 8 RT. As to why people buy Apple products I can understand why, because a very large proportion of purchasers of iPhones and IPads etc are not tech savvy at all so they do not really understand the implications of what is really going on. My experience is that when one users a "bricks and mortar" analogy such as a bookcase where only books approved by the bookcase manufacturer may be placed on the bookcase many people actually get it.
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February 07, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
#20
This is like when people think they can hack around a stupid law by using some technicality.
It doesn't work like that. You will be convicted anyway, even though you found that watertight crack in the law that means you didn't, technically, break it.

Once Apple discovers how it is being used it will be banned. It doesn't matter what gimmick is used to camouflage the intended functionality. Or if you found a flaw in the TOS that means they should allow your app, they will ban it anyway, and maybe update the TOS, if they feel like it.

Nailed it.

I was convicted a couple of years ago for "careless driving", even though I proved in court that I was in control of my vehicle the entire time, presented a "TSB" (technical service bulletin) showing that my model of vehicle had a known issue that could cause the brakes to seize, and I actually managed to avoid rear-ending the car in front of me, hitting an oncoming semi, or creaming the kids waiting for the school bus across the road. Because of all that, my truck ended up upside-down in a culvert - not a single piece of glass broken, and I was unhurt.

The judge told me, and I qoute: "I believe your driving wasn't the cause of the accident, and I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt since you did all you could not to damage anyone else's property... so I'm going to judge you guilty and seal the verdict so your insurance rates don't go up. You can pay the clerk on your way out."
legendary
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February 07, 2013, 06:09:09 AM
#19
I could never understand why on earth would anyone buy an apple product and let apple choose what is allowed to run on their device!!!!

legendary
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Monero Core Team
February 07, 2013, 02:43:44 AM
#18
The blockchain app is a bitcoin wallet app.. Not sure what apps have been blocked if any, but everything needed can be gotten on the appstore. You definitely don't need to jailbreak or buy a android to use a phone wallet.

True but one is still at the mercy of Apple since they can ban the wallet at any time and without notice. This not only defeats the whole point of Bitcoin, but also creates a situation far worse than using the traditional banking system since none of the checks and balances in the traditional banking system apply to Apple's DRM infested devices.

I will also add that Apple's closed walled garden business model can create a serious security threat to Bitcoin, since the security and integrity of Bitcoin is dependent on the owners of computing devices having complete control over their computing devices and not surrendering this control by the acceptance of DRM to a centralized authority.
donator
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February 06, 2013, 10:07:44 PM
#17
The blockchain app is a bitcoin wallet app.. Not sure what apps have been blocked if any, but everything needed can be gotten on the appstore. You definitely don't need to jailbreak or buy a android to use a phone wallet.

Bingo...at least one bitcoin wallet is not forbidden...and works quite well!
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February 06, 2013, 09:23:05 PM
#16
The blockchain app is a bitcoin wallet app.. Not sure what apps have been blocked if any, but everything needed can be gotten on the appstore. You definitely don't need to jailbreak or buy a android to use a phone wallet.
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February 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
#15
Once Apple discovers how it is being used it will be banned. It doesn't matter what gimmick is used to camouflage the intended functionality. Or if you found a flaw in the TOS that means they should allow your app, they will ban it anyway, and maybe update the TOS, if they feel like it.
If Matthew didn't learn that from his previous loophole-finding attempt, he's probably not going to understand it now.
legendary
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February 06, 2013, 09:46:26 AM
#14
answer to OP's question

itunes 30% cut
amazons 30% cut
paypals cut
sr. member
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February 06, 2013, 08:19:47 AM
#13
Actually you could create a HTML5 wallet that would work on the iphone.

I tried to do this but the main think you need is access to the camera so that you can capture QRcodes to make payments. At the time most phone browsers didn't support javascript access to the camera. This might be changing. See. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9431475/html5-camera-access.

This would completely bypass itunes but still give users the functionality of the android based mobile wallets.



sr. member
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February 06, 2013, 07:50:39 AM
#12
Er, I think lots of us would like to see better Bitcoin support on iOS. But your idea won't achieve that.
No need for bitcoin on IOS. It's a free market. Apple is a company in the market, just use your consumer power to choose something else.
legendary
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February 06, 2013, 07:24:46 AM
#11
Er, I think lots of us would like to see better Bitcoin support on iOS. But your idea won't achieve that.
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February 06, 2013, 07:03:34 AM
#10
I appreciate the push in the right direction. I ran this idea by a friend and he said the same thing basically. "Why bother? This community only cares about freedom.". You guys proved him right and I'll remember it!
legendary
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February 06, 2013, 06:11:33 AM
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legendary
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February 06, 2013, 04:50:26 AM
#8

Once Apple discovers how it is being used it will be banned. It doesn't matter what gimmick is used to camouflage the intended functionality. Or if you found a flaw in the TOS that means they should allow your app, they will ban it anyway, and maybe update the TOS, if they feel like it.

Exactly. And anything that becomes popular enough will be discovered pretty quickly.
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February 06, 2013, 04:46:45 AM
#7
This is like when people think they can hack around a stupid law by using some technicality.
It doesn't work like that. You will be convicted anyway, even though you found that watertight crack in the law that means you didn't, technically, break it.

Once Apple discovers how it is being used it will be banned. It doesn't matter what gimmick is used to camouflage the intended functionality. Or if you found a flaw in the TOS that means they should allow your app, they will ban it anyway, and maybe update the TOS, if they feel like it.
legendary
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February 06, 2013, 04:45:43 AM
#6
The problem with workarounds is that as soon as they become popular, Apple can easily ban them based on their ToS agreement, they might work for a while but are always vulnerable as long as they are on Apple property. Same thing with Facebook, Amazon, etc...

The best thing to do is bypass them completely, either by making app for other devices or making mobile-web-optimized solutions that are accessible from iPhones and iPads through a browser and beyong Apple's control.
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