Topic: Potential Scammer - JonnyQuid (Read 1546 times)

I'd like to point out this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-btc-for-boa-0-btc-available-914784

This user is "allowing" escrow for orders over $1000, but specifically forcing users to send first if it's under a certain dollar amount.

I received negative trust from TomatoCage for insisting that a new account with a suspicious checklist of conditions send first.

Why hasn't this user also received negative trust for this thread?

im sorry, I wont be telling anyone, even if theres a bounty ill edit my post. sent you a pm about how i got it tho

I was going to rant and yell at you a bit about privacy, but I don't really care. You didn't get my address from the credentials you had. I'd just like to point out that many members of the Bitcoin community wouldn't be happy if you skim their personal details like that. Someone's name is given to you for business reasons, and that's where it should end. Unless a bounty is posted on someone, you really shouldn't be advertising that you have someone's details. It's simply rude.

/endrant

1: Our trade didn't work out because you tried to use a credit card to pay for WU and couldn't get authorized. The same with MG. You claimed to have $1300 in cash but never offered to pay cash. You updated your thread stating you had cash and attempted to use a credit card for about two hours.

2: That isn't my phone number. That's a dump phone. I would never give out my cell line to anyone on a forum (No offense, but that's a great way to get spam calls).

3: You don't have my physical address. You have a city/state/zip.

4: You saying things like that could be interpreted as you farming users for their identities.

if WWBTC is a scammer,

Fair enough. If they refuse escrow or push sending first, then it's scammy as hell. I get the point.


My account has never been hacked or sold. I've used the same wallet address since I opened the account last year.

The only proof I have of this is that I can tell you the exact mailing address from which I shipped those PCI-E riser cables last year.

You should never ask a trading partner to send first. If you are not comfortable sending first then you should say something along the lines of the fact that you will accept escrow if they are not comfortable sending first. When I am trading with someone I will say something like this:

Fair enough. Thanks for the confidence.

I don't need a thread, I believe that you will come through.  I just want to help you clear your name when you do.

Fair enough. I've never interacted with LBC escrow, and I just assumed it was less than legit (Or at least not as secure as a normal forum escrow).

If it was a little huge to open a scam accusation thread then so be it, but there's two things here that aren't right:

1: JonnyQuid left false feedback stating that I have multiple accounts and try to scam sellers. There's no evidence of that.

2: I got a slice of negative feedback for asking that a new user "send first". That doesn't make sense.

Shipitbuddy is another user who does business fairly often - Tomato left him a neutral Trust stating "Use escrow", etc. That would be more appropriate here than getting "neg repped". I got the message - it seems just as shady (less, actually) when I ask -anyone- to send a non-refundable currency to me without escrow, but I hardly think that deserves negative trust from a big name around here.

I dunno. This is just a bit irksome that when I open a thread on someone else, I get neg repped. Obviously I won't be doing that any more, but if you check my post history, I've made scam accusations before that were spot on.

Even the most reputable members of the forum always offer escrow (even if they are on the top 8 escrow list). JonnyQuid was offering to use escrow that he thought to be safe (LBC) while you demanded that he send first. You may have a difference in opinion on what kind of escrow service can be relied upon however he was offering to use some kind of escrow. I am not endorsing LBC nor saying that you cannot scam via LBC however a lot of successful trades are done via LBC

Start a new thread with my username in the title. This thread is for JonnyQuid.

I have sent wwbtc 550.00 BoA transfer on Friday for btc, have yet to receive.  It shows completed on my end, he says still processing.

Will update when he sends btc.

Tomato, really? I stated many times that it was my personal opinion. I haven't had any problems with my transactions, and I got the same list of excuses that most new account scammers give.

Remove your negative trust, please. I haven't done anything untrustworthy. I was just pointing out that some random person shows up, doesn't even talk about escrow, and wants a user to send BTC to them. That's pretty typical behavior.

Hmm yeah I'll update it later when I get home

Negative feedback removed , after I've "reasoned" maybe xetsr is right. Let see what will happen here.

Yeah, wwbtc should have suggested escrow from the beginning, he does not have near enough trust to ask someone to go first

I'm not taking sides or accusing anyone of anything but how is it fair that JonnyQuid gets negative feedback from both redsn0w and Tomatocage but WorldWideBTC doesn't.

JonnyQuid was willing to use escrow through localbitcoins. This is not a surprise. There are quite a few people here who prefer localbitcoins over trusted forum members. I myself dealt with trusted members here who wouldn't use escrow through forum members but had no problems with localbitcoins.

Tomato and redsn0w, did you miss this message from WorldWideBTC:

He wanted JonnyQuid to send first, no escrow. Right?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/worldwidebtc-205881 - Last trust was left in March 2014. WorldWideBTC was away for awhile, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6016121 posted on April 1, 2014 and his next post was on December 12, 2014, unless I'm missing something like deleted posts.

We ALL know bitcointalk is full of scammers, long term and short term. This could very much be a hacked or sold account with the scammer being smart and waiting instead of trying to scam right away.

Like I said at the beginning, I'm not accusing anyone but if this was a scam, it could have gone either way.

I've also refunded BTC when something has gone wrong. I'm not going to debate my Trust ratings here, I just got a bad vibe when someone does a lot of hand waving instead of using a proper escrow.


Why not use TomatoCage or someone else that virtually every reputable user on here uses? Again, I get a bad feeling when these conditions are met:

1: A new user is accepting non-refundable payment methods (BTC, WU, Whatever).

2: They don't encourage escrow or talk about it up front, and instead encourage you to send them coins.

3: When refused, they suggest escrow that isn't "local" (the forum).

If a scam accusation was too much, then I'll hear what the community has to say about it - I'm not close-minded at all. Personally however, I do not trust this user, and that's what the Trust rating and this thread is about.


Actually, I could have also paid via a bank transfer, but we never discussed that. And I didn't "freak out" when you recommended escrow, I "freaked out" when I saw all of the typical conditions being met for a scam. I'll admit that I know very little about localbitcoins escrow, but I'm -guessing- there is a way to scam that system so that the escrow fails to protect one of the parties involved.

Anyway. I'm done here. This is all my viewpoint about this particular user and his business methods. Good luck.

@WorldWideBTC , thanks for the warning. I've left him a negative feedback , keep us informed.