Power outages causes huge economic loss in south Africa.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The farmer said, his ready to press for charges for the damages he has incurred.

Surely this farmer has concluded an agreement with the electricity distribution company and this agreement provides for liability for non-fulfillment of it. This responsibility largely depends on the reason why the energy supply was interrupted and this should be provided for in the contract. If the reasons for the interruption of energy supply were beyond the control of the electricity distribution company, for example, due to the so-called force majeure, then the farmer in this case needs to think about alternative energy sources, such as solar panels.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The farmer said, his ready to press for charges for the damages he has incurred.

The situation has really caused him a homogeneous economic loss, sincerely it's really an unfortunate situation.

https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/see-farmer-to-put-r15m-claim-to-eskom-after-tens-of-thousands-of-chickens-killed-20230119

I honestly do not quite understand the essence of the problem?
1. If the farmer has a contract for the provision of services for the supply of electricity, there are necessarily 3 points - the responsibility of the supplier, the responsibility of the consumer, and force majeure.
2. If there is a violation of the terms of delivery - to the court, and full compensation for direct and indirect losses, and even reputational (did not fulfill obligations to its consumers of chicken, due to a violation of the supply of electricity)
3. Well, if there are no contracts, and everyone decided to "cheat" - the situation is normal, it should have happened, the electricity supplier managed to cheat better ...

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Power outages can be devastating for businesses and individuals alike, and it's important for utility companies to ensure reliable and consistent power supply. It may be worth exploring about legal options to be compensate, but i think it is important to work with the electric company to address the underlying issue of power outages and prevent similar incidents from happening in the future. It is sad to hear about the loss of the birds and the economic impact on the farmer.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on May 08, 2023, 09:41:32 AM

Power outages are also constant in our country, and I don't know if it is worth it for the farmer to sue the electric company on it because he will need to pay a lot of money for it, and he is wasting his time, and it is still not sure that he will win the case. Instead, he should invest in generators. In my country, most hospitals, department stores, or anyone else where electricity is essential invests in those huge generators just in case of a power outage, as we always have rotational power outages. That farmer should invest in that too, as he has livestock.

Before the extinguisher should be done, there must be a notification in advance, from one day before doing a blackout, if not, an industry that dependence on operational activities using electricity will be bad, such as the death of the poultry.
Companies that manage electricity resources must give time for entrepreneurs to make preparations so that such bad things do not happen, if done suddenly or without notice, then the company has the right to ask for compensation for the losses they experienced, demands for compensation That can be done if it is not due to an accident in electricity such as natural disasters or short.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The problem with people is that why do they have to be too dependent on government for their survival, in this case i wouldn't pity the people for their lost because you can't tell me to have implanted a big project in agriculture like this as an establishement and yet have not made any adequate backup for the power supply knowing how epileptic is the African power supply is, while your farm cannot withstand hours of power outage not to talk of a whole day, in everything that we do, let's always have a plan b to serve as our second alternative in other for us not to suffer losses than we could have used in securing a remedy as alternative.

With this increasing problem of power outages its advisable to go for solar panels installations or generators as backup to avoid such big loses . Obviously electricity companies or government will not take responsibility of anything like that you have to look out for yourselves because at the end its your loss .

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Power outages are also constant in our country, and I don't know if it is worth it for the farmer to sue the electric company on it because he will need to pay a lot of money for it, and he is wasting his time, and it is still not sure that he will win the case. Instead, he should invest in generators. In my country, most hospitals, department stores, or anyone else where electricity is essential invests in those huge generators just in case of a power outage, as we always have rotational power outages. That farmer should invest in that too, as he has livestock.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The problem with people is that why do they have to be too dependent on government for their survival, in this case i wouldn't pity the people for their lost because you can't tell me to have implanted a big project in agriculture like this as an establishement and yet have not made any adequate backup for the power supply knowing how epileptic is the African power supply is, while your farm cannot withstand hours of power outage not to talk of a whole day, in everything that we do, let's always have a plan b to serve as our second alternative in other for us not to suffer losses than we could have used in securing a remedy as alternative.

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Recently I was reading in news article that South Africa's poultry farmers say they've had to cull almost 10 million chicks because of the country's power crisis. if their government is corrupt and won't care for their public, African's farmers must have to search some other alternatives like investing on generator or solar energy other wise it will impossible to survive for South Africans farmers in this profession. I can understand in today's generation where country is becoming digital and everything is depend upon electricity from pursuing education to doing business. Poultry farm need electricity regularly without electricity poultry chickens can't survive.

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Electricity is of course the most important thing in today's economy, almost everything always needs electricity so when power outages occur it will have a big impact, the financial system and banks will stop so that it makes the transaction system problematic, it is time for the state to provide opportunities for the private sector to enter the electricity business .

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Quote from: Sayeds56 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:59 AM

Power outage is not only problem of African countries but also many Asian country are suffering economic losses due to power outage ,as well high cost of electricity which has risen to the level where it has become difficult to afford for an average person. This appended due to rising cost of fossil oil used to generate electricity which is not only costly but also pollutes the environment.

One solution to this problem is transition to Solar system which is low cost and environment friendly.

Yes but thing is that, south Africa is our main topic here and not any other country. Also I think south Africa is suffering badly along with Pakistan for example right now. I think it also has to do with their government. If only the government of a country is good enough then it's country will also run smoothly with lesser problems that will be experienced.

I can relate about that high electricity cost as I also experience it here in my country. It's crazy on how they can demand like that but then their service are very poor. Often there are power interruptions. Until we are replying on limited sources like coal or petroleum then one day or other this kind of situation will be inevitable for any country.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The farmer said, his ready to press for charges for the damages he has incurred.

The situation has really caused him a homogeneous economic loss, sincerely it's really an unfortunate situation.

https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/see-farmer-to-put-r15m-claim-to-eskom-after-tens-of-thousands-of-chickens-killed-20230119

The farmer has no right to sue the electricity company because of the temporary blackout, because he can still use another way to overcome this by using a generator to temporarily generate electricity. After all, every livestock business must always be prepared with the equipment needed, including power generators, when the state's electricity fails or experiences temporary interruptions. So this cannot be blamed by the state because they also did not cause the blackout on purpose.

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Quote from: Distinctin on January 21, 2023, 06:17:41 PM

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Shouldnt be this as a standard thing? Considering that hospitals does really have those apparatus or machines which do mainly needing up some electricity, which does means that it would really
be that crucial if there would be some power outages.It is understandable somehow basing on which or what country we are talking into which is really that sad that they cant be able
to produce it out but generator prices to support some back up power wont really be that much a huge expense considering on how an hospitals do makes money.
Power outages does really affect lots of businesses which is heavily reliant on power source which i do believe that most of us does really need it.

And since it could be a threat on our businesses, then we should always prepare back ups for that like installing a generator or a solar panel in case power outages suddenly happen due to unforeseen bad weather that could cause a great loss from our own business. However, if the power source do it for their own personal reason, then maybe suing the company will certainly be valid.

This would be a good solution but very rarely people pay for backups and redundancy, and we see this almost everyday on this market, we have heard about users which created a wallet on their phone and they did not took a few seconds to backup their seed words and this continued for years, then when their phone was stolen, stopped working or they uninstalled the wallet app they realize they have no way to recover their coins, and if this happens when the only thing people need to do is to write a few words on a piece of paper then it is unlikely they will invest thousands of dollars on a backup power source for their business.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The farmer said, his ready to press for charges for the damages he has incurred.

The situation has really caused him a homogeneous economic loss, sincerely it's really an unfortunate situation.

https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/see-farmer-to-put-r15m-claim-to-eskom-after-tens-of-thousands-of-chickens-killed-20230119

Surely the electricity distribution company will refer in this particular case to some force majeure and will not bear any responsibility. If this situation will be repeated, then it is better to worry about alternative energy sources.

But anyway, even in South Africa, the conditions for obtaining energy are much better than in Ukraine, which is under constant rocket attacks on critical infrastructure from Russia and where sometimes at sub-zero temperatures there is no electricity at all for a long time. So everything is relative.

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Even if you have a backup generator, electricity is crucial in every facility for keeping poultry. People today, in my opinion, use green energy, and after installation, all that is required is maintenance. Regarding solar energy, however, running a generator may even be more expensive because chicken farms don't require many appliances. in every business, you just have to try and reduce costs.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on January 21, 2023, 03:10:23 PM

Power outages in south Africa has caused the death of over 40000 birds in a poultry farm in south Africa, the farmer recounts his losses as the electricity distribution company refuse to bring power for some days.

The farmer said, his ready to press for charges for the damages he has incurred.

The situation has really caused him a homogeneous economic loss, sincerely it's really an unfortunate situation.

Story of my life...soon two things may happen: either they adjust to the new reality or they take drastic action. I imagine how many millions of rands must have been lost by a lot of businesses due to this power cut or new load sharing. I am not happy reading the news about this because it has been quickly politicized. On the other hand, business people who are into alternative sources of energy will experience a boom. solar panel and installation, a diesel or gas powered generator set, etc. I do hope it is resolved soon, especially for those in hospitals.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on January 24, 2023, 08:33:34 AM

To be precise we have alot of countries in Africa and other continents as well suffering the impack of power outage and these countries were mostly the developing ones where the standard of living is below the developed countries, power outage has caused alot of economical waste of fresh food commodity items that are perishable due to lack of preservation and the production companies finding it a difficult challenge in handling the operations of their heavy equipments used, power outage has also cause the society to go black at night where insecurities has increased operaions at night where everywhere is blackout.

Power outage is not only problem of African countries but also many Asian country are suffering economic losses due to power outage ,as well high cost of electricity which has risen to the level where it has become difficult to afford for an average person. This appended due to rising cost of fossil oil used to generate electricity which is not only costly but also pollutes the environment.

One solution to this problem is transition to Solar system which is low cost and environment friendly.

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To be precise we have alot of countries in Africa and other continents as well suffering the impack of power outage and these countries were mostly the developing ones where the standard of living is below the developed countries, power outage has caused alot of economical waste of fresh food commodity items that are perishable due to lack of preservation and the production companies finding it a difficult challenge in handling the operations of their heavy equipments used, power outage has also cause the society to go black at night where insecurities has increased operaions at night where everywhere is blackout.

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Unfortunately not every area will have the benefit of stable electric supply, this even applies in some of the richest countries depending on the terrain. I think business can sometimes reclaim costs for loss of service, more so then consumers are allowed but there is likely limits on this. Ultimately it would be about insurance coverage and other provisions. I do wonder why every business does not try to avoid being reliant on mainstream power companies, we've seen massive rises in cost even if the provision is good its costing too much.
Any possibility of solar or any other form of electric not subject to spike in price is worth the investment for security in multiple ways.

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For someone that is keeping 40000 birds on his farm, I honestly think he can afford some off grid power solution like solar and this should have solved the problem. But because he felt entitled to be supplied this power, he paid the price the hard way, and btw with the is whole climate change, raising population service delivery by most companies today is negatively affected and we have to deal with this ourselves .

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Quote from: franky1 on January 21, 2023, 03:38:06 PM

should have bought a generator.

if a hospital cant sue an electric company.. a hospital instead realises lives are at risk and invests in a generator back up

also poultry farmer should think about he area he set up his farm and its reliance on resources of that area
a farmer of wheat wouldnt set up in the desert after all, where water is not reliable

unless the power company COULD produce electric. but simply decided "nah not today, lets go on vacation instead" then they are liable. especially if a farmer pre-paid their bill to get power for the month, but didnt receive it. as thats a breach of service agreement

That's wrong.

If the farmer is getting electricity from a company then he is paying for the electricity. The same payment goes into the maintenance, salaries and services of the company.

If they are producing electricity and distributing it in the area then they are doing it for a business and not out of charity (!)

They can not just shut down the plant and stop providing electricity. He has all the rights to sue the company for what they did. There is no such thing that you need to have back ups in farming and shit.

If company is having any maintenance issues, some failures then that should be broadcasted to the consumers via proper channel so that it can give the required time for consumer to get settle with back ups.

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