Topic: Practical "Self-Exclusion" from Bitcoin Gambling Websites - page 2. (Read 518 times)

Even if the Bitcoin is locked there is still no guaranty that he will not play, he can use his other coins to play, he can ask for loans or he will use his savings or his salary to buy Bitcoin, a chronic gambler even in the absence of fund will find a way to gamble, remember in an offline casinos there are loan shark that will readily give you loan so you can continuously play.

Gamstop exists in the UK and only applies to UK sites, but why would Bitcoin sites be required to do that? It's firstly impossible and secondly not feasible.

The solution is putting the control in the gambler's hands, not the casino - lock your funds away, yourself - this way you won't bet with those funds. As easy as it sounds.



You could try Gamblock but the software has lots of flaws, I wouldn't use it as a solution if you ask me.



Seriously, what a load of crap, haha .... thanks for making me laugh though ... ok, so from your point of view it seems that locking funds will cause only damage to the gambler, it's harmful and dangerous, haha ... okay, that's honestly a good joke, I initially thought you have at least some common sense, now I'm pretty sure you don't.

I've been thinking about it for a while

Initially, I thought about OP's idea as something useless but pretty much harmless on its own. Now I changed my mind. In fact, I no longer see it as innocuous as it appears at first sight. How come? The problem is, if an addicted gambler who seriously wants to quit his addiction tries to implement this approach (like locking his funds, etc), he is not actually solving his problem for real and for good. Instead, he is only aggravating it because he comes to think after a while he is cured, and that gives him false confidence as well as unfounded self-assurance. Then he inevitably relapses, and with a vengeance at that, ending up in an even worse situation than before

I guess for the self-exclusion thing to be effective, all gambling centers/websites need to have access to gamblers private information? There is potential risk to privacy in this case.

The better alternative could be to gradually decrease the number of times a gambler gambles in a week, till he stops gambling. Or probably have special applications that prevent you from opening anything related to gambling  on the internet.

No one said that locking your funds is the only thing that needs to be done in order to resolve a gambling addiction.

HOWEVER,

If you look at this thread:

https://forum.stake.com/topic/26609-this-site-should-have-a-self-exclusion-option/

This user lost money despite his will to stop. Imagine he would have done the following:

1) Withdraw his Bitcoin from Stake.com which is done instantly as they process instant withdrawals
2) Lock his Bitcoin for 1/2/3/4/5 weeks whatever....

Would he feel better with himself knowing he stopped his activity, and his funds are locked for a certain period of time? By doing so he would have, practically, arrested his addiction - if he has no other funds to use on immediate basis - in some way this solution will protect him and his funds, he will be protected from further losses.

For some reason members in this forum seem to think that I'm implying that simply locking your funds away is a solution for a gambling addiction - I've never said that.

I'm saying this this practical step can help you in times of need - just like this user from the forum in Stake.com - he wanted at that moment to stop, with this option he would be able to stop in a matter of seconds and if it would be easier, technically speaking, to lock your Bitcoin away that would be even better. That's all.

Now regarding stopping completely - this is only the first step.

No addict in the world would say that being passive and locking your funds away is the way to overcome gambling addiction - someone has to be extremely dumb to say something like this - and yes, of course you need to take proactive steps, consultation, discussion with others, reading other books/journals about it, meetings, online books, online meetings, online forums, whatever you feel comfortable with - of course these are necessary steps to be taken.

BUT

You, jrrsparkles, implied that locking your funds is unhelpful, as if it's 100% unhelpful, useless and pointless - and that is I'm afraid - simply untrue, wrong, a biased thing to say that is simply plainly and utterly wrong - I don't care how many times I'm saying it in this thread - I feel like I have to repeat myself because either you guys as readers are seriously extremely dumb and have no reading comprehension whatsoever or you guys have other motives or interests - so I'm kindly asking stop it already, this serves no purpose of doing that. So by all means just stop.

You really can't stop your gambling activities by locking your funds for the definite time that you wanted to stop gambling activities. You should bring the change from yourself let your mind accept that we should stop gambling for obvious reasons.Just locking our cryptos funds may not be enough IMO because if we are doing that we may buy cryptos and then start gambling if we can't control ourselves.

https://www.gamblingtherapy.org/en/solid-way-beat-gambling-urge-must-read This article will help us how to calm down when we urge to gambling again and again without any self-control.

I am not quite sure if this will going to work. Have some changes with your pace, what I mean turn your attention to another thing, like have some another habit play games, read books or whatever. It may sound ridiculous but sometimes it works. Because I believe that you gamble because you don't have anything to focus your attention with. Restraining yourself away from gambling when you don't have anything to do after may bring you a thirst for playing it again that sometimes lead to forcing yourself to have a way. So imo try to change your focus to anything beneficial yet entertaining.

I found through a few of my very addicted friends that is somebody wants to gamble, nothing helps. Not self-exclusions, nor wallet locking, nothing.

Example: I've got a call a few months ago from 'a friend' who self-excluded himself from a casino, didn't resist, sign up over my name to use a non-deposit bonus, won some and wanted my documents for withdrawal verification. Nothing can save or stop a person like him.

It's the same with wallet-locking. YOu can borrow, use non-deposit bonuses, etc.

Majority of the gambling sites or all of it are not only accepting Bitcoin, but they also accept other popular coins in the market, like Ethereum Dogecoin among others, I don't think it will work like all the other people are saying also here, you can even loan to a friend and just pay after you unlock, self-control is still the key factor.

Must be broken English.

And I was telling you why I think your idea is bad. Self-exclusion from sites? That also won't work, most sites will just unblock account and let you gamble.

You think it is better to be a monkey, I think it is better to have broken English, but you started it, not me. Now lets see your replies in this thread:

See? It's not problem in people, it's in you.

The last time I checked, I know a few "addicted people" but I wouldn't regard myself as someone "who knows addicted person" - that doesn't sound too well in English.

Now without bearing any further grudge towards you or the others -

1) I suggest you work on your English a little bit better. Please do.
2) This thread is intended for those who want to stop gambling, I hadn't planned on having discussions WHY locking your funds is vital, I was planning on discussing HOW to do it, or how to find better tools to self-exclude yourself from Crypto gambling sites.

That is my problem, and that is a problem silent readers face and can't speak up loud because people like you think we are "monkeys" - well, I'd rather be a monkey, than having to express myself with a broken language like you do.

What the fuck is your problem monkey?

You opened topic but you want to hear only opinions the same as yours?

Why do you think that you are the only one on this world who knows addicted person?

If you have gambling problem and you want to stop just stop, don't talk about gambling, don't walk near casinos, don't take too much money with you, have someone watch over your funds and stop multishitposting no one wants to read half page filled with your back-to-back posts.

In the past with KYC websites you could click on 1 button to self-exclude, then they would manually process the withdrawal for you on your behalf to your saved payment details (e.g. card or bank account etc.)

BetBit.com has this self-exclusion policy too, with a click of a button you can close your account, immediately - I have no idea how they handle the client's funds, I assume the client will send an email and will provide a BTC address to get his funds back.

Well, stopping the addiction and quitting the addiction seem to me to be two very different things

If the gambler doesn't have funds or the Internet access, he won't be able to gamble indeed. But will he stop being a gambling addict if he stays away from this activity for a year or even a dozen years? I guess the answer should be a strong no (unless we are talking about a teenager or a kid). It is better to consciously and willingly choose to suffer some pain, even if it is an extreme pain, for a short while and then become totally immune to the addiction (read, lose all interest in gambling, or whatever) than remain essentially the same addict and risk a relapse at any moment


This actually proves the whole point, that half-measures don't work


Half-measures never work. There is nothing to argue about


How do we know that you have?


BitKong has implemented this (or something very similar)

Reading up that thread which the guy somewhat seeking off for that feature.He do blame off the site for him to lose another 500 bucks?
I dont see for any sites that do have this kind of arrangement but you can actually ask them to do but its not really ethical to block out some users account
with funds in it just not to let him proceed or to play?

Are you speaking on behalf of problem gamblers or on behalf of yourself? Seriously how come this forum is full of people who love to spread nonsense?!?!

This user asked to be self-excluded:

https://forum.stake.com/topic/26609-this-site-should-have-a-self-exclusion-option/

He doesn't have that option.

Threads like this offer a feasible solution, since there isn't any self-exclusion policy for Bitcoin websites.

What part of it is difficult for you to comprehend or digest? Why is it so difficult to understand it?

You don't sound like someone who understands the mindset of a gambling addict if that's your final claim - read this please:

https://www.gamblingtherapy.org/en/taking-my-life-back-self-exclusion

Quote:
"Now I can start repairing the damage i caused without causing any more. Every CG needs to self-exclude."
(CG refers to a compulsive gambler if you don't understand the abbreviation).

Another source:
https://www.psychforums.com/gambling-addiction/topic161211.html

Quote:
The big thing for me and the thing that made the biggest difference is that I self-excluded from all casinos in my state. I tried to quit hundreds of times but I never did anything differently. I now realize that I wasn't "serious" about quitting.

I will repeat what I said countless times in this thread - if you guys don't understand gambling addicts - just don't get involved, seriously - just leave this thread alone, your opinion is useless, irrelevant, incorrect and pointless.

It's not going to work unless you have someone very close to you who will take care of all your funds. It has to be closest family member, someone who will understand problem and someone who spends most time with you, unfortunately, most will see you as "something very bad" and "something very bad" should take care of their problems by themselves. Most people don't understand addiction - they blame person instead trying to help them.

What is worth for topic is that just locking funds for certain period won't do much because eventually your will unlock funds and then you will find yourself in situation to deposit unlocked funds and gamble with them - rinse and repeat. Besides, you can always exchange cash to bitcoin and gamble with bitcoin or just gamble with cash - gambling addiction doesn't have currency and bitcoin is irrelevant in this whole story.

Keep in mind that you can't completely cure addiction.

Well, it is indeed one of the best, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the best one. Like, addiction comes from the self, and well, self-exclusion doesn't really work once addiction takes place. A heavy will is pretty much needed to start off that and in the first place, the moment you went and fell for addiction, it showed that you had no such thing. I'm not saying it is inefficient, but for those completely addicted to gambling, self-exclusion isn't the way, well could be a part of it, but it would be pretty weak imo.

I seriously have no idea what your intentions are but I can tell 100% they are not genuine.
I think I already myself clear and I won't explain it again.