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Quote from: wayshegoes on September 17, 2014, 11:49:48 AM

It's pretty clear Dean doesn't want your help. You spend your days parked on these forums antagonising Dean for his day to day operations. You are not the internet police and have no stake in PRC. Nobody has ever been cheated there and for the most part things run smoothly. If they haven't, Dean has always made it good. I'm not mad at all, it's just his site is around longer than yours was and it's still operational. There is absolutely no need for any of your input, and for the most part it's not helpful. What's the point?

People lost a shit tonne in a site you de-facto advertised (agree or don't, it's the truth). Worry about those investor coins instead of PRC's investor coins.

Even though I try to stay out of Bitcointalk preschool issues (since it's obviously useless to argue) I agree with this statement 100%.

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I lost the liqour money boys...

It's pretty clear Dean doesn't want your help. You spend your days parked on these forums antagonising Dean for his day to day operations. You are not the internet police and have no stake in PRC. Nobody has ever been cheated there and for the most part things run smoothly. If they haven't, Dean has always made it good. I'm not mad at all, it's just his site is around longer than yours was and it's still operational. There is absolutely no need for any of your input, and for the most part it's not helpful. What's the point?

People lost a shit tonne in a site you de-facto advertised (agree or don't, it's the truth). Worry about those investor coins instead of PRC's investor coins.

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Quote from: wayshegoes on September 17, 2014, 11:39:34 AM

Imagine that, a site owner fixing a bug himself without the help of the self-professed Bitcoin God dooglus, and everyone is getting sorted out.

No need for the smart retort though. We're sure if you still owned a casino this probably wouldn't happen. Probably.

Are you mad about something? You seem mad.

I was offering to help Dean fix a problem that has caused his site to be down for over 12 hours. Sorry if that offends you in some way.

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Quote from: PocketRocketsCasino on September 17, 2014, 11:29:08 AM

It was after your last capture that the bankroll went to over 800 while not long before it was around 740 so it's within that time frame that the issue happened.

I have identified the actual code issue and managed to reproduce and fix it.

What was the issue?

Here are screenshots of dreama's charts for the period in question:

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I lost the liqour money boys...

Imagine that, a site owner fixing a bug himself without the help of the self-professed Bitcoin God dooglus, and everyone is getting sorted out.

No need for the smart retort though. We're sure if you still owned a casino this probably wouldn't happen. Probably.

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Quote from: a1choi on September 17, 2014, 11:10:37 AM

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Hopefully AK got his coins out and the investors learn a valuable lesson.

I thought AK already got his coins out already? unless he deposited them again?

He withdrew and lost around 20-30 coins at bitdice.

Quote from: IamNotSure on September 17, 2014, 11:22:51 AM

You have more data here

https://sites.google.com/site/prcdicestats/dynamic

So I zoomed into the stat(site profit) , It never shows the site touched 65 BTC. Is is because of the intervals it checks the site for profits?

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Quote from: dooglus on September 17, 2014, 11:07:33 AM

Quote from: finnile on September 17, 2014, 10:58:12 AM

While AK miner was betting last night, the total investment went from around 740 to 800 something BTC. And this was when the profits went from 65 BTC to 55 BTC, if the profit was not spread to the investors evenly and this happened. It would mean, they would be getting a smaller amount.

I don't gather stats very often - usually just once per day - so it's hard to tell what happened.

Here's what I have though:

Sun Sep 14 09:46:02 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,481,494 Total Wagered:20,961.26123047 Total Profit: 43.45820931 Total Invested:693.96138399
Mon Sep 15 08:31:18 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,623,039 Total Wagered:21,650.00383396 Total Profit: 0.18380911 Total Invested:725.80908230
Tue Sep 16 11:35:59 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,801,497 Total Wagered:24,044.02811243 Total Profit:-56.28617105 Total Invested:774.09619051
Wed Sep 17 07:41:32 PDT 2014 Pocket Rockets Casino is offline temporarily while updates are being made.

From Sun to Mon, profit went DOWN by 43 while investment went UP by 32.
From Mon to Tue, profit went DOWN by 56 while investment went UP by 49.

It could be people see the house losing and (incorrectly) figure that means it is due for a win, and so invest more. Or it could be due to the bug that Dean is looking into.

Edit: I should say that it's quite normal for "invested" to stay the same while profit goes up or down because often the losses come from an investor divesting and playing, and winnings are often invested back into the house. So we shouldn't expect to see the bankroll drop just because the site profit dropped - unless we know that the winning player didn't reinvest his profits.

Those stats look around what is expected. Users were playing on their own investment and also others, who deposited, invested.

It was after your last capture that the bankroll went to over 800 while not long before it was around 740 so it's within that time frame that the issue happened.

I have identified the actual code issue and managed to reproduce and fix it.

I now need to correct the bankroll and investments before I put the site live and allow people to cash out.

Quote from: dooglus on September 17, 2014, 11:12:47 AM

Quote from: a1choi on September 17, 2014, 11:10:37 AM

I thought AK already got his coins out already? unless he deposited them again?

Come to think of it I think that's right.

I saw him in the ninja chat saying that peerbet (?) was the only place he was having trouble withdrawing from.

Hopefully not much longer now.

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Quote from: dooglus on September 17, 2014, 11:07:33 AM

Quote from: finnile on September 17, 2014, 10:58:12 AM

While AK miner was betting last night, the total investment went from around 740 to 800 something BTC. And this was when the profits went from 65 BTC to 55 BTC, if the profit was not spread to the investors evenly and this happened. It would mean, they would be getting a smaller amount.

I don't gather stats very often - usually just once per day - so it's hard to tell what happened.

Here's what I have though:

Sun Sep 14 09:46:02 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,481,494 Total Wagered:20,961.26123047 Total Profit: 43.45820931 Total Invested:693.96138399
Mon Sep 15 08:31:18 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,623,039 Total Wagered:21,650.00383396 Total Profit: 0.18380911 Total Invested:725.80908230
Tue Sep 16 11:35:59 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,801,497 Total Wagered:24,044.02811243 Total Profit:-56.28617105 Total Invested:774.09619051
Wed Sep 17 07:41:32 PDT 2014 Pocket Rockets Casino is offline temporarily while updates are being made.

From Sun to Mon, profit went DOWN by 43 while investment went UP by 32.
From Mon to Tue, profit went DOWN by 56 while investment went UP by 49.

It could be people see the house losing and (incorrectly) figure that means it is due for a win, and so invest more. Or it could be due to the bug that Dean is looking into.

Edit: I should say that it's quite normal for "invested" to stay the same while profit goes up or down because often the losses come from an investor divesting and playing, and winnings are often invested back into the house. So we shouldn't expect to see the bankroll drop just because the site profit dropped - unless we know that the winning player didn't reinvest his profits.

You have more data here

https://sites.google.com/site/prcdicestats/dynamic

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Quote from: a1choi on September 17, 2014, 11:10:37 AM

I thought AK already got his coins out already? unless he deposited them again?

Come to think of it I think that's right.

I saw him in the ninja chat saying that peerbet (?) was the only place he was having trouble withdrawing from.

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Hopefully AK got his coins out and the investors learn a valuable lesson.

I thought AK already got his coins out already? unless he deposited them again?

dooglus

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Quote from: finnile on September 17, 2014, 10:58:12 AM

While AK miner was betting last night, the total investment went from around 740 to 800 something BTC. And this was when the profits went from 65 BTC to 55 BTC, if the profit was not spread to the investors evenly and this happened. It would mean, they would be getting a smaller amount.

I don't gather stats very often - usually just once per day - so it's hard to tell what happened.

Here's what I have though:

Sun Sep 14 09:46:02 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,481,494 Total Wagered:20,961.26123047 Total Profit: 43.45820931 Total Invested:693.96138399
Mon Sep 15 08:31:18 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,623,039 Total Wagered:21,650.00383396 Total Profit: 0.18380911 Total Invested:725.80908230
Tue Sep 16 11:35:59 PDT 2014 Total Bets:8,801,497 Total Wagered:24,044.02811243 Total Profit:-56.28617105 Total Invested:774.09619051
Wed Sep 17 07:41:32 PDT 2014 Pocket Rockets Casino is offline temporarily while updates are being made.

From Sun to Mon, profit went DOWN by 43 while investment went UP by 32.
From Mon to Tue, profit went DOWN by 56 while investment went UP by 49.

It could be people see the house losing and (incorrectly) figure that means it is due for a win, and so invest more. Or it could be due to the bug that Dean is looking into.

Edit: I should say that it's quite normal for "invested" to stay the same while profit goes up or down because often the losses come from an investor divesting and playing, and winnings are often invested back into the house. So we shouldn't expect to see the bankroll drop just because the site profit dropped - unless we know that the winning player didn't reinvest his profits.

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Quote from: PocketRocketsCasino on September 17, 2014, 10:37:01 AM

Quote from: dooglus on September 17, 2014, 10:02:42 AM

Quote from: dooglus on September 16, 2014, 08:39:45 PM

What's the problem?

Is it anything I can help with?

It sounds like it is indeed something I can help with. I'm here if you need help fixing your bug.

I hope this doesn't turn into a casinobit style mess for investors.

If the bankroll is higher than actual coins held, investors will have presumably been able to withdraw more than their fair share of the real coins, leaving the house somewhat insolvent. That's what happened at casinobit, and it didn't end well.

Well done for shutting down the site while you investigate. That's something casinobit never did.

Thanks.
That is the worry, that investors could withdraw more than the real amount they had in.
I still need to check if that happened and if last night was an isolated incident or not.
I'll post more here later.

Thing is you can always get away by saying it was an isolated event. Its the same thing what DB did at first, saying finnile was the only case. But later when people actually started checking for missing nonces, a lot more came up.

" That is the worry, that investors could withdraw more than the real amount they had in. " No it is not the only worry. They could also be getting a smaller amount than they are supposed to. While AK miner was betting last night, the total investment went from around 740 to 800 something BTC. And this was when the profits went from 65 BTC to 55 BTC, if the profit was not spread to the investors evenly and this happened. It would mean, they would be getting a smaller amount.

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Quote from: PocketRocketsCasino on September 17, 2014, 10:37:01 AM

Thanks.
That is the worry, that investors could withdraw more than the real amount they had in.
I still need to check if that happened and if last night was an isolated incident or not.
I'll post more here later.

Isnt this something we discussed in the past in this very thread in regards of how you did your wallets, with the investments pulling from the cold wallets and hot wallets making everything add correctly.

HOW THE FUCK CAN WE TRUST A CASINO'S MATH IF THE OWNER CANT ADD?

Not related in the slightest. Troll harder or understand what you're even trying to talk about.

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Quote from: dooglus on September 17, 2014, 10:02:42 AM

Quote from: dooglus on September 16, 2014, 08:39:45 PM

What's the problem?

Is it anything I can help with?

It sounds like it is indeed something I can help with. I'm here if you need help fixing your bug.

I hope this doesn't turn into a casinobit style mess for investors.

If the bankroll is higher than actual coins held, investors will have presumably been able to withdraw more than their fair share of the real coins, leaving the house somewhat insolvent. That's what happened at casinobit, and it didn't end well.

Well done for shutting down the site while you investigate. That's something casinobit never did.

Thanks.
That is the worry, that investors could withdraw more than the real amount they had in.
I still need to check if that happened and if last night was an isolated incident or not.
I'll post more here later.

dooglus

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Quote from: best360noscope on September 17, 2014, 10:25:53 AM

Yeah, like that one time a huge whale had a 1000btc freeroll because of an incompetent site owner. All paid by the investors of course. Glad he's not around anymore!

It was 1300 BTC, and he lost so nobody paid anything.

Troll harder.

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Quote from: dooglus on September 17, 2014, 10:18:01 AM

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Is Doog trying to get access to PRC's RNG to beat the site, could Doog be Mateo and was hired by manL and he created a loophole in the system, is Doog also Nakowa, wait is Doog Deb

I just don't want to see another bunch of BTC investors get fucked over due to incompetence.

Yeah, like that one time a huge whale had a 1000btc freeroll because of an incompetent site owner. All paid by the investors of course. Glad he's not around anymore!

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Is Doog trying to get access to PRC's RNG to beat the site, could Doog be Mateo and was hired by manL and he created a loophole in the system, is Doog also Nakowa, wait is Doog Deb

I just don't want to see another bunch of BTC investors get fucked over due to incompetence.

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Quote from: PocketRocketsCasino on September 17, 2014, 08:14:03 AM

However while this was being done I found a critical bug.

I saw that profits from players losses were not being distributed to investments properly and that the total bankroll had increased when it shouldn't have.

Unfortunately I don't have much more detail at this time as I am still looking into the issue.

As soon as I find the problem and fix it the site will go live again and you can then withdraw all your balance or divest if you choose.

My offer still stands:

Quote from: dooglus on September 16, 2014, 08:39:45 PM

What's the problem?

Is it anything I can help with?

It sounds like it is indeed something I can help with. I'm here if you need help fixing your bug.

I hope this doesn't turn into a casinobit style mess for investors.

If the bankroll is higher than actual coins held, investors will have presumably been able to withdraw more than their fair share of the real coins, leaving the house somewhat insolvent. That's what happened at casinobit, and it didn't end well.

Well done for shutting down the site while you investigate. That's something casinobit never did.

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Curious , is it also the case for players who win on the site (investments reducing by wrong amounts from investors) ?

Anyways Dean, got a suggestion.
Blame it on me Wink