Topic: Pre-Legendary VS Legendary Merit Stats (Read 674 times)

You really read comments !!!!!
 
I rarely used to read comments .

I don't have rank so nobody is expecting me to have 10 or 15 posts per week to qualify

If you check Polish Local there is little going on there there is little to say really

A trickle of noobs as well

I am on a different forum ... I skim the Subjects with the least comments.  Skim... Read half of the first post in the thread skim the rest .... skim through 10 meaningless pygmy broken english   posts and if there is anything that crosses my mind after inhaling this load of absolute crap i write it if not the post is as meaningless as its predecessors


Here are some examples

A very bullish announcement  ... more and more institutional investors enetering the scene bringing value and demand for BTC many people are rising their targets with such news

In these conditions of constant price rally it requires genuine knowledge and "feel "of the market since when BTC makes big moves Alternative currencies or spawns of BTC tend to loose value due to "people jumping on BTC"

An reassuring and encouraging news to invest in chainlink with recent BTC price action we can expect substantial increase of value across the board

No it certainly is not to late to invest in litecoin however there are projects that give returns for staking which option Litecoin does not offer possibly it can be lent on a smart contract bassis and give few percent annually return depending on the contract IMHO

This is very interesting news. PolkaDot is indeed extremely intesting project and it price is showing for it. Still would be cautious and reserved for the Chinese expanding their influence over the furthest reaches of the world   

And a random comment from a Hero Member

Bitcoin sv is a profitable altcoin this is a popular forked coin it has big market capitalization and trade volume so definitely it's future will be very bright also this is the good time to enter in the cryptomarket there is lot of potential altcoins to invest so buy more potential altcoins are a good way to earn more profits.


so i guess I am on average or slightly above

ps. DIA coin also was having signature campaign there the coins for a hero member would be worth around 3 k $ right now so does not sound to bad for a few zero effort  meaningless posts copy pasted and or google translated

As someone who hasn't had the opportunity to be in my senior area, then I will just listen to how great people are talking about their experiences of being part of the long term residents of this forum in fantastical terms. I will read all the comments from my predecessors on this forum in order to increase my knowledge and insight so that I can be part of those who have provided motivation so that I continue to improve quality.

Low rank members indeed need merits to rank up.

However, the usual newbie would tend not to get merits because they are still newbie and only few of the newbie could be helpful. This means that merits cycle will still goes to legendary rank or higher rank member due to valuable knowledge shared based on the experience. The experience being here in the forum really matters to gain merits which newbie or low rank users does not have.

I tend to get to involved in good discussions but all I can do is to observe how knowledge being shared from different ranks. Learning are usually always from higher ranks correct me if I am wrong but valuable knowledge and even sense of humor are coming from the high ranks.

However, newbie can still rank up to full member if not so good in earning merits over a period of time. If one does not hurry like cheating to rank up then it would be better. As they say what goes around goes around so cheaters will pay.

Absolutely, you are right in this respect. In general, merit works to increase rank and is an aspect for users to join in signature campaigns. But not all users, some users at high rank still want to receive merit on a regular basis. Simply, they want to be commended, they want their activities to be recognized, and they want to be helpful for everyone. Some merits won't help you rank-up, but it can make you feel good, right?

But admit that you don't know when someone else will send you merit   Sometimes I do a few post to help or analyze the situation, namely do something useful. Then I would think: "hey guys, come here and look at my post, honor it, send merit now!", but things don't turn out like that, nothing. On the contrary, I am often surprised when I get some merit with posts that I don't think it can. In short, merit is something that is assessed subjectively, should not complain when we receive or not receive, does not matter  

I have never tried the extension but I use bpip.org often. You are right, it does seem like a much easier way. Just subtract 1455 from 1955 and you get to the number of airdropped merits - 500. Has anyone ever noticed a bug that would result in the wrong merit data being recorded for a user via bpip.org?

It seems that I really shot myself in the foot with this thread.

Yes, it’s like in real life or at work.
People who put in more effort or time over time receive more recognition than others and progress at work.
Honestly, forum rank is not so important here because all members have equal rights to participate in discussions, share information, read all topics etc.
Users who complain about merits don't actually do this because of the merits themselves but because they need a higher forum rank to be able to participate in better paid signature campaigns.
There is no other reason to complain about merits or forum rank.

= One could call it karma

You would expect the situation in regard to self evaluation improving with advancement of technology and availability of educational sources  on monthly basis






https://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/mumonkan.html

Ya, maybe, or maybe not. I agree that merit is not something that is easy to get and rank-up. With what I've been through, it's really hard. Sometimes I don't know how to get merit from someone else. But look at the bright side, there are a lot of people who created an account after the merit system launched, but they are still doing well, they still rank up quickly, and now become one of the reputable forum members. Not uncommon, you can find. So, why do they do it? Because they are really good at bringing benefits to the community. Unlike me, they know what to do. So the merit system may make it difficult for everyone, but it should not be an excuse for people to complain. Until now, it is making this forum more amazing than ever. So nothing is unfair 

...unless of course you have been on this forum for a very long time, many years, and you have earned your status based on old merits 
When the merit system was introduced I didn't think it was a good idea, it even seemed unfair to new members, but the merit system obviously helped to distinguish quality members who write good posts and those who work less and don't contribute much to the forum.

I was trying to be beyond merit hysteria from the beginning. It worked out for me to get 1000 merit as a potential Legendary at the moment.

I am not sure did you use BPIP extension, but he gives such information without bulky excel tables and some bunch of irrelevant data.
For example:

That's why there are different forum ranks or classes if you want. If someone has very little to say, or doesn't know how to say it properly, he stays in a lower rank. That's life for you. You can't be the director or the president of a corporation just by being there and hanging out without having the skillset and knowledge to do that kind of work. Those who try the hardest, put in the extra work, learn, and improve get to rank up. 

I think it stems from their experience in writing articles. Newbies often don't take the content of their posts seriously. I just received a question about how to earn merit in the local language section (by a newbie). Meaning they really don't know how to make their writing work well, just post to earn 

If I remember correctly, the old hierarchy depends on active time + post. It's why there are so many spammers  And it's really hard to rank up now. If I started as a new member, I would be a full member right now  Really hard 

And so, many people gave up Including me however not with out fault on behalf of the requirement to make so many posts per week or be paid for every post there is also the issue of inequality - 1$ Buys different things in different places also some people have little to say that others find interesting. Certainly amount of spam have been reduced and many when "producing" content for the 15 post per week rule take more care . Maybe in time a forum currency will be developed

As you can see from Indonesian self-made legendary members (and I also believe this applies to all self-made legendaries), who start from 0 or 10 merits. We all receive merits even after we ranked up to legendary.

The reason is simple. We have these built-in standards for posting (or perhaps habit), so other members see it as useful posts/contributions.

Rank doesn't matter if it's about the ability to receive merits. If you couldn't get it, you don't have enough "quality" posts. The slowing down is because of a lack of motivation or wasting too much time playing slots.

I'm not going to dwell on this too much - except to point you back to the first line of my post:


Perhaps I chould have written the number of merits I receive has dwindled since the gangs in this forum became more entrenched in their dogmas...


suchmoon:

https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131361.html

2021

Six weeks ago:


Then you've got to go back nine months:

2020


then another four months:


then a further seven months:

2019


then nearly four months:


then back a further two months:


and lastly three months:


2019 - 13 merits in four instances,
2020 - 14 merits in two instances,
2021 - 8 merits in two instances...

Just six instances in three years - if you sample others you will see suchmoon hands out four (and sometimes seven) merits at a time.

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TMAN isn't online to defend themselves, so I'll just point you to my trust feedback and default trust lists https://loyce.club/profile.html?id=131361 (TMAN'S sent merits were in three short bursts - I'm sure he'd say something smutty about it being three short bursts)

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foxpup's last merit was 13 months ago:

2020


six months earlier:

2019


another gap of six months:


Three merits... two merits... one merit.  None .

Looks like it's dwindling to me...

I know that it's only one example. It's the one I immediately thought of. But if I went through my own threads, I am sure I could find other similar cases and so could you in your topics. The same goes for most other forum members except the top posters and merit who receive huge amount of merits for each thread they create. 

There are four periods (from my point of view) of the merit system

• First one week after it was kicked off: people used their smerit for non-sense or too easily. It can be from people who just sent it as a like (on Facebook) or love (on Twitter). It also can be from abusers who sent smerits to their alts.
• After that, till 17 September of 2018 (when the enhanced merit system, the derank on 0-earned merit Junior members were applied): people are strictly with merited posts. Detectives work so hard and break abusers down.
• A few weeks after 17 Sep. 2018, many old-era Sr.+ members sent their smerits to newbie alts to promote them back to Junior members.
• Since mid of November 2019 when new merit sources added and monthly sourced merits were re-allocated, it seems smerits have been more easily to be exchanged. It is a failure of the merit system. Fortunately, I feel happy that theymos does not change monthly allocated sourced merit.

If merit sources use their sourced merits for their personal interest, it is a failure of the merit system.

Agree with you partially.

I do, though I end up meriting plenty of posts made by Legendary members anyway.  I'm a merit source, so I see my job as at least partially helping lower-ranked members to get enough merits to get to the higher ranks.  Unfortunately a lot of what gets written by Newbie-Jr. Members tends to be unreadable garbage (or at least too mediocre to warrant giving merits to).

I was fortunate enough to rank up to Legendary shortly before the merit system was implemented, so my data point probably doesn't help OP's hypothesis at all--but man, I'm glad it turned out that way, else I would have had to wait a lot longer to get to Legendary.  Even without the merit system, it took almost three years for me to get there if my arithmetic is correct.  That's why nowadays it's almost impossible for the average member to achieve Legendary status.  You'd have to be very committed to the forum for a very long time frame in order to do it, and I suspect many members have just given up on trying.

That's just one of the cases that happened in this forum, it's not strong enough to only compare 1 example.

Not only that, the number of posts also affects in my opinion, of course good posts.

(The more you post good things, the greater chance you to getting merit even if the post is old.)

I think you are right, even though I am not a very good OP on several time but it is almost impossible for people to ignore the OP from merit if the thread has quality and contain useful information for other users. Because the assessment of the quality of that post is the perspective of every user, it will also affect a person's gain. Generally a person will be very motivated to achieve the desired goals but will relax a little after these goals are achieved. I think that is a thought that is generally adopted by some users after legendary ranking have been achieved.

I don't know if that consensus will apply to me. I just finished the hero rank a while ago and I am on my way to legendary rank, there is still plenty of time for me to continue to think positively and reach it naturally. Maybe I'll also see the difference when the legendary rank is reached. Thank you all for supporting.