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Quote from: AakZaki on December 12, 2023, 10:54:07 AM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on December 12, 2023, 08:52:12 AM

Last season he performed very well and everyone was happy with him. Let him complete two seasons before we can say something about him being fired. He brought champions league game to old Trafford and he won manager of the month of November which means he is doing something good, but not to the expectations of the fans. Let him finish this season. January transfer window will soon be open, let him buy players and do his magic.

I trust the process, but if there is no progress, obviously I am also disappointed. Including Man United, they suffered setbacks for this season. Maybe giving a chance is an option, and he should be given a deadline and maybe the end of the season if there is no improvement then he has to leave. He had been given a lot of money to buy, but he couldn't take advantage of it. The players and the philosophy of the game seem to be unsuitable for English football.

Yeah. We aren’t supposed to think about firing Ten Hag now. I don’t think it’s time for that, given that he did well last season, so why will they fire him this season? I think they should give him time again. This is football, and sometimes things don’t happen as we think, so therefore, I think Ten Hag has the ability to manage Manchester United. Even though we are still yet to see any improvement from Manchester United, maybe he will do something better next season. However, it seems to me that both players and the management are inconsistent in how their matches have been moving since I don’t see any action that has been taken in order for them to at least double up their performance to start showing some signs of getting their performance back. I hope Ten Hag will do something before the management asks him to leave.

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Honestly there will definitely be some big name games and all that, its going to be fun for sure but I do not think that it will be all that crazy. I think we are going to end up with just ordinary games, it's not extra added fun. Maybe that's because it's religious thing that makes it better for some people?

Like it's holidays for you and you like these during the holidays but for me it is not the holidays and I have to keep working non-stop, nothing about this period that gives me any break from the work so I have to end up working for a long time. I think we should be considering the situation a little bit sensitive for some people who enjoys it and I hope you get the most fun. For me its just another weekend games in the end.

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Quote from: Iroh on December 12, 2023, 08:42:22 AM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on December 12, 2023, 05:46:42 AM

Ten Hag deserves more time at Manchester United to prove himself. He came in last season and finished in the top 4. He won silverware for the club. Yes he bought players he thought was good but it didn't turn out the way he expected, not all market turn out well. He should be given more time to show his working.

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.

Rooting for his removal has got to be another wrong move from Manchester United fans. I believe they be wanting quick results which they don't have. That said, Erik Ten Hag has spent a good sum already but the club management have got to do more than that. Rebuilding takes time and resources. I believe the incompetent players within the club are not food enough for the growth of the club, we've got to see too many players leaving so another set of players who have the capacity of playing for the club can come in.

Louis Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho, Ole Gunner Solskjaer and David Moyes all got sacked by Manchester United. I think it's time they go with a new approach, chase some of these players away and check if you won't see changes and upgrades. Champions League night today against Old Trafford, let's hope they win otherwise, they'll be back fighting for the first four positions in the Premier League.

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Quote from: zaim7413 on December 12, 2023, 10:19:55 AM

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Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him.

Maybe we can see Arteta's journey with Arsenal. But when I saw Ten Hag I was a little fed up, because the circumstances were quite different to the financial situation of Arsenal then and Man United at the moment. Arteta needs a process and builds a team with not much funds. Ten Hag is building a team with good finances. But Ten Hag's results appear to have been unexpected. I think the start of Ten Hag's season coming was quite promising. But today it seems a lot of problems and that makes Man United worse.

Building a team like what Arteta does and what Ten Hag does at Manchester United is very different. Arteta is organizing the team slowly, money is not the main weapon for Arteta to build Arsenal's strength, he has to take an approach between the main players working together solidly. While Ten Hag chose the Instant route, he relied on money to bring in quality players, of course the results could not be immediately satisfying as expected.

This is really really wrong. Arsenal has been breaking a new record caused by arteta has become the manager that had most spending compared with the old manager. Look at how arsenal was paying a lot of money for declan rice and havertz. Arguing arteta built the club without money is really really wrong. Calling hundreds millions as small amounts of money is also unacceptable. We needs to say about the fact. There are also many proof in the various news. I think that we shall open our eyes if arsenal under kroenke is able to spending more money for the club rather than the old owner.
This is also the main reason arteta was also

I think that any clubs are building their clubs with the help of money right now. The fact that if manchester city became even better since it has owned by the new owner which was putting oil's money to get him.
I just try to say the fact that if money is playing as main important thing to determine the result from the league too. You have money and you can do everything.

Even you can build new los galacticos club.

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Quote from: AakZaki on December 12, 2023, 10:54:07 AM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on December 12, 2023, 08:52:12 AM

Last season he performed very well and everyone was happy with him. Let him complete two seasons before we can say something about him being fired. He brought champions league game to old Trafford and he won manager of the month of November which means he is doing something good, but not to the expectations of the fans. Let him finish this season. January transfer window will soon be open, let him buy players and do his magic.

I trust the process, but if there is no progress, obviously I am also disappointed. Including Man United, they suffered setbacks for this season. Maybe giving a chance is an option, and he should be given a deadline and maybe the end of the season if there is no improvement then he has to leave. He had been given a lot of money to buy, but he couldn't take advantage of it. The players and the philosophy of the game seem to be unsuitable for English football.

True, I am also someone who believes in process, but that process must also be accompanied by something that is enough to make us believe that there will indeed be improvement. What happens now is that I don't see that improvement, unlike when he first came, he seemed to build his own philosopy of the game, but it's not enough just like that, what I see now is even the same as their previous coach.
I'm not a fan of the club, but as a football fan, of course I can feel something that their supporters feel.
It's not enough to stop there, I mean the coach is not the one who is completely at fault here, because the role of management to support the needs of the coach must also be something to be considered.

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Quote from: nara1892 on December 12, 2023, 11:20:16 AM

It is true that Erik Ten Hag is still far behind compared to previous coaches, but on the other hand he also needs to unite players and clubs with one goal. So, this is where several problems emerged which apparently made Ten Hag interfere and even be unable to show good relations with some of his players. Ten Hag feels entitled, but sometimes the coach does not always limit his relationship with the players, therefore on the field the players look quite stressed and awkward, as a result there is no solid teamwork.

There are some coaches that have the power to either elevate a club or downgrade a club, Manchester United have suffered from the hands of some coaches. Manchester United is an elite club, no one would stand the chance of beckoning on a club that's inconsistent in performance, let alone depend on the Red Devils. Erik Ten Hag is a strict coach, he's a curious manager that doesn't applies disciplinary measures outside his tents, instead he keeps all the pressures on his players and his intends is merely to top up his points and heightened his reputation in Old Trafford.

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Quote from: hahay on December 12, 2023, 10:46:38 AM

Basically, Erik ten Hag is not as bad as some previous coaches because after all, in his first season Erik ten Hag also managed to make Manchester United finish in the top four. Although indeed, in this second season there have been many changes made by Erik ten Hag but unfortunately, the results are not as expected because Erik ten Hag clearly failed this season compared to last season.

It is true that Erik Ten Hag is still far behind compared to previous coaches, but on the other hand he also needs to unite players and clubs with one goal. So, this is where several problems emerged which apparently made Ten Hag interfere and even be unable to show good relations with some of his players. Ten Hag feels entitled, but sometimes the coach does not always limit his relationship with the players, therefore on the field the players look quite stressed and awkward, as a result there is no solid teamwork.

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Quote from: tiCeR on December 12, 2023, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: budi691 on December 12, 2023, 09:44:21 AM

that's how it should be. As a coach who has led the team for a full season, Ten Hag should build strong relationships with his players. Such experience will give him an edge in understanding team dynamics and designing tactical approaches accordingly. and with the addition of new players this season who can strengthen the squad and meet the team's needs, Ten Hag should now be at a stage where coaching and developing certain aspects of the team's game and relationships is key to its success.
However, what happened to his discipline during training and bringing in the players he wanted, MU's performance never improved, I'm sure your problem lies with Ten Hag himself.

But I think it is definitely too late for building relationships with that team. The thing is if a coach wasn't able to build good relationships with his players that he has been coaching for almost 1.5 years, how would that change for the better in the next few months then? Ten Hag is not the type of coach who understands very well how to build relationships and give everyone a group feeling or group identity. He has been constantly separating the players either from the team, or players from some specific other players by supporting one player while attacking the other player, for instance both from the same position.

Coach Ten Hag's relationship with the players is not good. And we have heard several times in the media that Ten Hag acts like a dictator. However, it is easy to see that Ten Hag's relationship with the players is not good. And he has been the coach of Manchester United for a long time, so far he has not been able to build a good relationship with the players. It is unlikely that he will be able to improve this relationship in the future. It's time to fire the Ten Hag. Manchester United management should look for a new coach. Ten Hag should no longer be trusted by Manchester United management.

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Quote from: Justbillywitt on December 12, 2023, 08:52:12 AM

Last season he performed very well and everyone was happy with him. Let him complete two seasons before we can say something about him being fired. He brought champions league game to old Trafford and he won manager of the month of November which means he is doing something good, but not to the expectations of the fans. Let him finish this season. January transfer window will soon be open, let him buy players and do his magic.

I trust the process, but if there is no progress, obviously I am also disappointed. Including Man United, they suffered setbacks for this season. Maybe giving a chance is an option, and he should be given a deadline and maybe the end of the season if there is no improvement then he has to leave. He had been given a lot of money to buy, but he couldn't take advantage of it. The players and the philosophy of the game seem to be unsuitable for English football.

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Quote from: Iroh on December 12, 2023, 08:42:22 AM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on December 12, 2023, 05:46:42 AM

Ten Hag deserves more time at Manchester United to prove himself. He came in last season and finished in the top 4. He won silverware for the club. Yes he bought players he thought was good but it didn't turn out the way he expected, not all market turn out well. He should be given more time to show his working.

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.

Basically, Erik ten Hag is not as bad as some previous coaches because after all, in his first season Erik ten Hag also managed to make Manchester United finish in the top four. Although indeed, in this second season there have been many changes made by Erik ten Hag but unfortunately, the results are not as expected because Erik ten Hag clearly failed this season compared to last season.

But yes, although many assume Erik ten Hag failed this season but the fact is yes, that Erik ten Hag still managed to make Manchester United able to compete in the top 6 at this moment. Therefore, yes, it is not wrong if you say Erik ten Hag still deserves to be given more time at Manchester United. Because after all, at least Erik ten Hag can also still make Manchester United able to compete in the upper zone in the Premier League standings, and not fall to the middle zone or the lower zone as well.

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Quote from: budi691 on December 12, 2023, 09:44:21 AM

that's how it should be. As a coach who has led the team for a full season, Ten Hag should build strong relationships with his players. Such experience will give him an edge in understanding team dynamics and designing tactical approaches accordingly. and with the addition of new players this season who can strengthen the squad and meet the team's needs, Ten Hag should now be at a stage where coaching and developing certain aspects of the team's game and relationships is key to its success.
However, what happened to his discipline during training and bringing in the players he wanted, MU's performance never improved, I'm sure your problem lies with Ten Hag himself.

But I think it is definitely too late for building relationships with that team. The thing is if a coach wasn't able to build good relationships with his players that he has been coaching for almost 1.5 years, how would that change for the better in the next few months then? Ten Hag is not the type of coach who understands very well how to build relationships and give everyone a group feeling or group identity. He has been constantly separating the players either from the team, or players from some specific other players by supporting one player while attacking the other player, for instance both from the same position.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on December 12, 2023, 03:45:43 AM

Quote from: arimamib on December 12, 2023, 03:28:47 AM

The defeat against West Ham emphasizes the challenges that even big clubs face during busy schedules. The competitiveness in the Premier League, especially when there's not much time to recover between matches, can lead to unpredictable outcomes. It's a reminder that no team is immune to the effects of a congested fixture, and adaptation becomes crucial. Postecoglou's ability to navigate through these challenges, rotate the squad effectively, and maintain performance levels will be crucial for Tottenham's journey this season.

The Premier League is famous for its "Boxing Day" moment, namely the days leading up to Christmas where the Premier League teams will face a very busy schedule. A team that can face Boxing Day well is one that has good squad depth, or has a smart coach who is able to rotate players very well. I think Postecoglou is that kind of coach. I'm really looking forward to the schedule on Boxing day because as @arimamib said, match results are very unpredictable.

EPL is always having lots of surprises. People are also knowing this so well about how EPL was hardly to be predicted by anyone. Sometimes, our favorite club can also lose against mediocre team in the EPL like when chelsea was facing everton.
Everton was just humiliated chelsea like it was nothing rather than a garbage team than everton. Im losing my confidence when it must be taking a club like chelsea.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on December 12, 2023, 09:50:06 AM

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They change coaches many times in the last ten years and did not achieve anything big except the Europa League title with Jose Mourinho. They two times ended Premier League as a runner-up but with very big gaps with the league winner. After two successful seasons with a runner-up position, they fell down quickly and wiped out all hope in their fans then their rebuilding process started again and again.

Ten Hag brought some hope in the past season but in this season, he is stepping on similar failure journey like Jose Mourinho and Ole Solskjaer. Manchester United began to give their coach, Ten Hag more power against star players but it seems this strategic change has yet turned into big positive impacts in Old Trafford.

I agree that if they want to change their coach position, it is too early now to do that. They can wait until the season ending and can find a new coach in the summer. Finding a temporary coach is not a wise approach as it won't help them to have a solid long term plan for their club growth.

Club officials and United management may think the same as us, replacing Ten Hag is very risky for the stability of the team while the season is underway. The option to keep Ten Hag until the end of the season also makes sense, but management cannot let go and leave Ten Hag alone, lest he fall worse than now. On the other hand, retaining Ten Hag has two possibilities in the future, what I mean is that there will be fans who will ask him to leave and there will be those who will ask him to keep him, that is what must be understood.

Apart from that, United current squad shortcomings do not only come from Ten Hag, the players and everyone involved in the club contribute to their good and bad performance. However, it is very natural that Ten Hag is first in the spotlight when United is playing badly, because he is the person most responsible for managing the team, and after that the United players themselves. Regarding the interim coach, it would be better for United not to do that, because it would be better to find a successor to Ten Hag who can work together in the long term, if they actually fire him later.

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Quote from: Luzin on December 12, 2023, 09:59:19 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on December 12, 2023, 09:00:29 AM

Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him.

Maybe we can see Arteta's journey with Arsenal. But when I saw Ten Hag I was a little fed up, because the circumstances were quite different to the financial situation of Arsenal then and Man United at the moment. Arteta needs a process and builds a team with not much funds. Ten Hag is building a team with good finances. But Ten Hag's results appear to have been unexpected. I think the start of Ten Hag's season coming was quite promising. But today it seems a lot of problems and that makes Man United worse.

Building a team like what Arteta does and what Ten Hag does at Manchester United is very different. Arteta is organizing the team slowly, money is not the main weapon for Arteta to build Arsenal's strength, he has to take an approach between the main players working together solidly. While Ten Hag chose the Instant route, he relied on money to bring in quality players, of course the results could not be immediately satisfying as expected.
There are obstacles that occur, it takes time to unite players who consider themselves to have quality because they still have their own selfishness. The results of Ten Hag work can only be felt after this season ends, they will understand each other and begin to adapt to the strategies used by Ten Hag.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 12, 2023, 09:00:29 AM

Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him. The best decision now should be to keep him till the end of the season and his task should be to at least lead Manchester United to the Europa competition next season. After the season many good coaches will be in the market for the club to make good choices. Sacking him could bring the same experience Chelsea had after sacking Thomas Tuchel.

Erik ten Hag has actually tried to give his best, but if the players he has don't want to listen to directions and find it difficult to work as a team, then it won't produce good results. Manchester United has to look at the condition of their players. Maybe they are bored; maybe Manchester United should try to replace the players with young ones so that the chances of winning might increase because the stamina and enthusiasm of the players are definitely still high.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 12, 2023, 09:00:29 AM

Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him.

Maybe we can see Arteta's journey with Arsenal. But when I saw Ten Hag I was a little fed up, because the circumstances were quite different to the financial situation of Arsenal then and Man United at the moment. Arteta needs a process and builds a team with not much funds. Ten Hag is building a team with good finances. But Ten Hag's results appear to have been unexpected. I think the start of Ten Hag's season coming was quite promising. But today it seems a lot of problems and that makes Man United worse.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 12, 2023, 09:00:29 AM

Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him. The best decision now should be to keep him till the end of the season and his task should be to at least lead Manchester United to the Europa competition next season. After the season many good coaches will be in the market for the club to make good choices. Sacking him could bring the same experience Chelsea had after sacking Thomas Tuchel.

They change coaches many times in the last ten years and did not achieve anything big except the Europa League title with Jose Mourinho. They two times ended Premier League as a runner-up but with very big gaps with the league winner. After two successful seasons with a runner-up position, they fell down quickly and wiped out all hope in their fans then their rebuilding process started again and again.

Ten Hag brought some hope in the past season but in this season, he is stepping on similar failure journey like Jose Mourinho and Ole Solskjaer. Manchester United began to give their coach, Ten Hag more power against star players but it seems this strategic change has yet turned into big positive impacts in Old Trafford.

I agree that if they want to change their coach position, it is too early now to do that. They can wait until the season ending and can find a new coach in the summer. Finding a temporary coach is not a wise approach as it won't help them to have a solid long term plan for their club growth.

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Quote from: Weawant on December 12, 2023, 09:08:08 AM

Quote from: Iroh on December 12, 2023, 08:42:22 AM

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.

Ten hag has been at Manchester united for over a season, this is like his second season at old Trafford, in his first season it was long enough and he was able to help the team qualify for the UCL and aswell they won the carabao cup and finished to four in the premier league where they had performed poorly before his arrival and after all those achievement he was applauded.

Definitely with such achievement with his team in his first season at Manchester united and now it's his second season it's obvious he should have gotten used to the players, understood them well enough and how well they play, their abilities and comparability so definitely it's unlikely time is not what ten hag needs because he achieved something within a few time last season, he just needs to improve his tactical approach and relationship with his players and if need be scout some new players who can help him achieve his goal and he will be good that way.

that's how it should be. As a coach who has led the team for a full season, Ten Hag should build strong relationships with his players. Such experience will give him an edge in understanding team dynamics and designing tactical approaches accordingly. and with the addition of new players this season who can strengthen the squad and meet the team's needs, Ten Hag should now be at a stage where coaching and developing certain aspects of the team's game and relationships is key to its success.
However, what happened to his discipline during training and bringing in the players he wanted, MU's performance never improved, I'm sure your problem lies with Ten Hag himself.

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Quote from: Iroh on December 12, 2023, 08:42:22 AM

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.

Ten hag has been at Manchester united for over a season, this is like his second season at old Trafford, in his first season it was long enough and he was able to help the team qualify for the UCL and aswell they won the carabao cup and finished to four in the premier league where they had performed poorly before his arrival and after all those achievement he was applauded.

Definitely with such achievement with his team in his first season at Manchester united and now it's his second season it's obvious he should have gotten used to the players, understood them well enough and how well they play, their abilities and comparability so definitely it's unlikely time is not what ten hag needs because he achieved something within a few time last season, he just needs to improve his tactical approach and relationship with his players and if need be scout some new players who can help him achieve his goal and he will be good that way.

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Quote from: Iroh on December 12, 2023, 08:42:22 AM

Quote from: Justbillywitt on December 12, 2023, 05:46:42 AM

Ten Hag deserves more time at Manchester United to prove himself. He came in last season and finished in the top 4. He won silverware for the club. Yes he bought players he thought was good but it didn't turn out the way he expected, not all market turn out well. He should be given more time to show his working.

I don’t know how much time Ten Hag would seemingly deserve to prove himself at the club. He wasn’t picked as the coach yesterday and he has had in my opinion, enough time to study and understand the capabilities of all his players on the team. Apparently enough time to know and go after players he thought was best to achieve his goals as a manager for the club.
I’m not rooting for his removal as the coach, but I think he has had enough time on the job for his plans to start to show some general improvement in the team.

Getting a new coach at this time of the league will be very risky for Manchester United. The season has already gone half and a new coach would have to build the team from scratch. Erik ten Hag is not a bad coach but he needs more time to stabilize the club, which means the management should have to be patient with him. The best decision now should be to keep him till the end of the season and his task should be to at least lead Manchester United to the Europa competition next season. After the season many good coaches will be in the market for the club to make good choices. Sacking him could bring the same experience Chelsea had after sacking Thomas Tuchel.

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