Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 - page 2438.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 16, 2023, 12:28:44 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 15, 2023, 11:24:00 PM

The quality level of the Premier League is very high. Everyone is aware of this quality and that is why the Premier League is the best in the world. We have often seen weak teams beat teams at the top of the league. Again, since such things are likely to happen in the future, the most enjoyable and beautiful league is EPL. In short, while competition is what makes a league quality, it is necessary to make accurate comparisons with other leagues.

Sometimes we can see a promoted team performing impressively and beating a stronger team but unfortunately this season we don't see that because the three promoted teams performed equally badly this season and all three have a big chance of returning to play in their old division, namely the Championship.
However, it is true that the English Premier League is always interesting to watch, not only because mediocre teams can beat strong teams, but also because the map of strength can change every season, even though the champion is still the same team. If we see Newcastle in several seasons, they are very weak, these two seasons they are better and strong teams have performed poorly in several seasons, such as Chelsea and Manchester United and next season maybe we will see another, stronger team.

And actually the Premier League is also the most watched football league in the entire country. Not only in Europe but throughout the continent. Even in my country, almost all football fans have watched the Premier League. And indeed the quality of players and clubs in the Premier League is the best at the moment. Even the football news media always doesn't stop reporting on the excitement of the Premier League. Even jerseys from clubs in the Premier League are also sold in various countries.

And the competitive level in the Premier League is also much hotter than in other leagues. And only strong teams can survive in this league. Even the three teams that were promoted this season currently seem to be in the relegation zone. Which means they are slowly starting to fall behind in points. My estimate is the same, namely that all three will probably be relegated again.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 16, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

Manchester United rank in Premier League is not too bad and they can climb up more in rest of season. The season is long and they have enough time to do this task but with their very unstable performances and sometimes very bad, this task is not easy to achieve for Manchester United players.

It is unfair as I as an observer, says it is challenging or impossible task whilst their players and coach are trying on daily basis from training to playing in real matches, to achieve this task. Their performances in this season are not worse than theirs in the last season so if in the last season, they can end it in top four, they can do it again in this season.

However the come back of Liverpool and maybe Chelsea, there will be more challenge against Manchester United to get a position in top four.

Yes, There is indeed progress from Manchester united, we can see that They have made some change compared to the start of The season, as if They want to catch up, but it seem that even though they are stable going forward in The next match, it is impossible to get Abtop 3 position, they are already far behind from The top 3.
I'm not sure Manchester united will be stable and maybe next season will also be The same if there are no change in some players.

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Quote from: topbitcoin on November 16, 2023, 02:36:18 AM

At the moment they are a little better when compared to the beginning of the season but it is still vulnerable for Manchester United cause if in the end the good performance in the last few matchs fade again and Manchester United have another difficult time then the criticism will return to them and the Ten Hag rumors will be heard.

Manchester United's failure in the UCL will of course be a source of criticism for anyone towards Ten Hag, that's why I think they are still playing quite well and consistently in the EPL at the moment. Moreover, it is true that Manchester United is still not ready to play in the UCL because there is still a lot that needs to be improved too. and their squad must be overhauled so that they really play optimally in the UCL this season from the two remaining matches and of course pay attention to players who have better stamina. .

I'm not sure whether there is a need to add new players but for the players currently available I think Ten Hag has no other choice but to implement new strategies and tactics for his players in order to emphasize continuing to be on the winning track, at least Ten Hag doesn't continue to receive criticism from the players. supporter.

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Quote from: Despairo on November 16, 2023, 02:22:02 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 16, 2023, 02:13:13 AM

Although they are ranked 6th now, but with their mediocre and even disappointing performances, it will make fans or anyone else feel that they will not be able to maintain their current position. For me personally it's not just the standings, it's the pattern of play they show too. sometimes some people don't care about the standings, but if their play is promising it will make them satisfied. Logically, when their play is good and promising, then their ranking in the standings will follow as well as their performance. I'm sure you know what I mean.

We're too focus to see the bad performance by Manchester United, but we forget if other clubs' performance also unstable and that resulting the points are widely spread. It's not like in the last season where the gap between top and middle positions are really far, it's need many many match to overtake them.

What we need to highlight is Newcastle which currently behind Manchester United.

In my opinion, Manchester united has not changed this season, in fact they have experienced a slight decline in starting the league this season, and it is not surprising because Manchester United itself has not really changed the team scheme while still retaining its old players, so it is not surprising that their performance has not changed either.
Maybe there will be an increase in team performance, but it will take a long time and many matches ahead for a coach to find a scheme that is suitable for a team with limited players.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 16, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2023, 04:58:57 PM

Teams until Aston Villa are in a really nice competition for the lead in the standings. However after Aston Villa there is some decent point gap with the remaining teams. If Manchester United didn't have a bad start they would have been in a better position now. Even though they have lost many points they are still 4 points behind Aston Villa.

The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

Their young players have yet to find a familiar voice. They play based on emotions. After all, they have a quality squad. The problem is whether Erik ten Hag knows how to exploit his students' potential or if he is mixing things up. I will wait and see what ten Hag will do. I still believe he can do it. Being in the top 4 this season is enough for the fans and the board to trust him.

Manchester United is not only weak on defense but also on attack. I feel regretful that they didn't recruit Harry Kane. Instead of welcoming Harry Kane, Man United recruited Rasmus Hojlund for a transfer fee of 72 million pounds. He has yet to score a goal in the Premier League after 9 appearances. Rasmus Hojlund's skills and strength are not enough, and he is not Harry Kane, so he needs more help from his teammates. Kane exploded at Bayern. He contributed 21 goals and 7 assists to Bayern Munich in 16 matches in all competitions. It's a shame they didn't pick Kane.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 16, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2023, 04:58:57 PM

Teams until Aston Villa are in a really nice competition for the lead in the standings. However after Aston Villa there is some decent point gap with the remaining teams. If Manchester United didn't have a bad start they would have been in a better position now. Even though they have lost many points they are still 4 points behind Aston Villa.

The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

They had similar scenes last season but only for a short time I think the first four games if my pea brains can remember and recall correctly. Erik Ten Hag found ways to put issues together and and placed them in the right direction. This season, he has been quite sentimental with most of his decisions which has affected how the squad play. They've still found ways to win difficult games and lose easy games.

Manchester United remains a big club, them fans who knows the worth and capacity of the club will never settle for less so these pressures are on the player's and coach season after season to give them all for the badge and club.
Erik Ten Hag is a great coach, he'll gradually out the squad in the right place.

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Quote from: len01 on November 16, 2023, 02:00:30 AM

looking at Man United current movements is a bit confusing on the one hand, this team is unstable and in terms of consistency it is a bit weak but it is able to continue adding points in every match until it is finally in 6th place in the EPL standings and I only realized this after reading your reply Ten Hag efforts are so strong, who is currently trying to continue to revive MU to be able to appear stronger than before and proof that there is still a chance for MU to finish in the safest position but not in other competitions because Man United performed slightly less than optimally in the UCL and if If Man United does not qualify, they will most likely have difficulties competing in the european league.
and I thought that if Ten Hag actually focused on his performance in the EPL, he could improve everything after that he could focus on other competitions.

At least after a lot of criticism at the start of the season in recent weeks they are still doing very well where they managed to win 4 of the 5 matches they did.
This is certainly a good result although there are still some improvements to be made as well as some internal issues that Ten Hag must fix.

At the moment they are a little better when compared to the beginning of the season but it is still vulnerable for Manchester United cause if in the end the good performance in the last few matchs fade again and Manchester United have another difficult time then the criticism will return to them and the Ten Hag rumors will be heard.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 16, 2023, 12:28:44 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 15, 2023, 11:24:00 PM

The quality level of the Premier League is very high. Everyone is aware of this quality and that is why the Premier League is the best in the world. We have often seen weak teams beat teams at the top of the league. Again, since such things are likely to happen in the future, the most enjoyable and beautiful league is EPL. In short, while competition is what makes a league quality, it is necessary to make accurate comparisons with other leagues.

Sometimes we can see a promoted team performing impressively and beating a stronger team but unfortunately this season we don't see that because the three promoted teams performed equally badly this season and all three have a big chance of returning to play in their old division, namely the Championship.
However, it is true that the English Premier League is always interesting to watch, not only because mediocre teams can beat strong teams, but also because the map of strength can change every season, even though the champion is still the same team. If we see Newcastle in several seasons, they are very weak, these two seasons they are better and strong teams have performed poorly in several seasons, such as Chelsea and Manchester United and next season maybe we will see another, stronger team.

If we look at the current standing of the English league, it looks like The three promoted teams will go back down to the previous division, it would be a shame if this happened straight away and in the first season they would immediately go back down even though not all teams will get the chance to be promoted to the top league, they will definitely have try and struggle step by step to get results leading to the league above,
but all that is not enough, the team should have changed to a stronger team scheme by buy several more quality players considering that they are at different levels and of course have to have a lot of money and strong management.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 16, 2023, 02:13:13 AM

Although they are ranked 6th now, but with their mediocre and even disappointing performances, it will make fans or anyone else feel that they will not be able to maintain their current position. For me personally it's not just the standings, it's the pattern of play they show too. sometimes some people don't care about the standings, but if their play is promising it will make them satisfied. Logically, when their play is good and promising, then their ranking in the standings will follow as well as their performance. I'm sure you know what I mean.

We're too focus to see the bad performance by Manchester United, but we forget if other clubs' performance also unstable and that resulting the points are widely spread. It's not like in the last season where the gap between top and middle positions are really far, it's need many many match to overtake them.

What we need to highlight is Newcastle which currently behind Manchester United.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 16, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2023, 04:58:57 PM

Teams until Aston Villa are in a really nice competition for the lead in the standings. However after Aston Villa there is some decent point gap with the remaining teams. If Manchester United didn't have a bad start they would have been in a better position now. Even though they have lost many points they are still 4 points behind Aston Villa.

The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

Although they are ranked 6th now, but with their mediocre and even disappointing performances, it will make fans or anyone else feel that they will not be able to maintain their current position. For me personally it's not just the standings, it's the pattern of play they show too. sometimes some people don't care about the standings, but if their play is promising it will make them satisfied. Logically, when their play is good and promising, then their ranking in the standings will follow as well as their performance. I'm sure you know what I mean.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 16, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

Manchester United rank in Premier League is not too bad and they can climb up more in rest of season. The season is long and they have enough time to do this task but with their very unstable performances and sometimes very bad, this task is not easy to achieve for Manchester United players.

It is unfair as I as an observer, says it is challenging or impossible task whilst their players and coach are trying on daily basis from training to playing in real matches, to achieve this task. Their performances in this season are not worse than theirs in the last season so if in the last season, they can end it in top four, they can do it again in this season.

However the come back of Liverpool and maybe Chelsea, there will be more challenge against Manchester United to get a position in top four.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 16, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2023, 04:58:57 PM

Teams until Aston Villa are in a really nice competition for the lead in the standings. However after Aston Villa there is some decent point gap with the remaining teams. If Manchester United didn't have a bad start they would have been in a better position now. Even though they have lost many points they are still 4 points behind Aston Villa.

The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

looking at Man United current movements is a bit confusing on the one hand, this team is unstable and in terms of consistency it is a bit weak but it is able to continue adding points in every match until it is finally in 6th place in the EPL standings and I only realized this after reading your reply Ten Hag efforts are so strong, who is currently trying to continue to revive MU to be able to appear stronger than before and proof that there is still a chance for MU to finish in the safest position but not in other competitions because Man United performed slightly less than optimally in the UCL and if If Man United does not qualify, they will most likely have difficulties competing in the european league.
and I thought that if Ten Hag actually focused on his performance in the EPL, he could improve everything after that he could focus on other competitions.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2023, 04:58:57 PM

Teams until Aston Villa are in a really nice competition for the lead in the standings. However after Aston Villa there is some decent point gap with the remaining teams. If Manchester United didn't have a bad start they would have been in a better position now. Even though they have lost many points they are still 4 points behind Aston Villa.

The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

The Manchester United we're complaining about are ranked 6th position on the table, and I'm surprised because watching them play on the pitch, there's absolutely nothing special, I'm just keep witnessing the same old Manchester United game pattern last season contrary to this season. Manchester united headcoach, Erik Ten Hag have hope of reaching high limits this season? But are the supporters willing to exercise patience with him? It's definitely going to take lengthy period of time before things will finally balance at Old Trafford, I know what I'm saying.

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The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

Erik Ten Hag has shown some signs when he was signed in as a new manager of Manchester united, and he really showcased some positive results that made people to believed that he have what it takes to lead the team to their promise land last season that made them to end up 4th position that gave people confident that they will be in second or first position in this premier league table in this season. But based on what they have showcased in some matches, showed that Manchester united players don't want Erik Ten Hag to manage them again, you can see what some of their potential strikers are doing in the goalpost of their opponent and still miss the opportunity, and their opponent will turned the match to their favour at the end of the match. If Erik Ten Hag can find out what is making their players not to be good in this season before their remaining matches, I think Erik Ten Hag can still make it by helping the team to achieve their dream in this tournament.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2023, 04:58:57 PM

Teams until Aston Villa are in a really nice competition for the lead in the standings. However after Aston Villa there is some decent point gap with the remaining teams. If Manchester United didn't have a bad start they would have been in a better position now. Even though they have lost many points they are still 4 points behind Aston Villa.

The board are still believing in Erik ten Hag to make this team better. He had better take advantage of this chance well and find a way to improve the form. They need to be effective and consistent in defense especially. Because they concede really simple goals.

At least the defenders, if Manchester United had Lisandro Martinez and Luke Shaw it and ready, they shouldn't have resulted to all of these situations. Bad times are there so they could appreciate the good times,Yes?
Manchester United players and fans should accept the pain with time they'll be rewarded. They've seen the incoming of Jim Radcliffe already being effective, players not worthy would be sent out.

There's no better candidate for the Manchester United job, asides Erik Ten Hag, I can only see Pep Guardiola as tue manager with capacity to coach Manchester United. But Pep Guardiola? Grin

These are just little fantasies up in my head. To sum things up, Erik Ten Hag would do a better and perfect job for Manchester United with the right players!

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Quote from: SeriouslyGiveaway on November 15, 2023, 09:44:09 PM

It seems like there are differing opinions on the best position for Declan Rice within the team, with Emmanuel Petit suggesting he should play as a defensive midfielder to fill the void left by Granit Xhaka. On the other hand, you argue that Rice is playing excellently in an attacking midfield role and is contributing defensively when needed.

This difference in perspective is common in football discussions, as opinions on player positions and tactics can vary among fans, analysts, and former players. The versatility of a player like Rice can be an asset for a team, allowing the manager to deploy him in different roles based on the team's needs and tactical considerations.

Ultimately, the effectiveness of Rice in a particular position depends on the team's overall strategy, the manager's tactics, and how well the player can adapt to different roles. It's not uncommon for players to showcase versatility and excel in various positions, offering valuable flexibility to the team. What do you think about Rice's role at Arsenal?

As far as I know, Declan Rice's position should be in defensive midfielder and that could also change to central midfielder depending on the situation the team needs. Declan Rice doesn't have the agility or maturity to look for opportunities like an attacking midfielder and I don't think that suits him. Apart from that, as a defensive midfielder he would also be more suited to the role of central defender and that is very similar to the role given by Rodri from Manchester City. I think if Arsenal wanted an attacking midfielder the position would be better filled by Kai Havertz or Martin Odeegard, apart from that I don't think anyone is suitable to fill it. But if Mikel Arteta is not satisfied then he will have to look for a new attacking midfielder in the next transfer market.

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Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 15, 2023, 11:24:00 PM

The quality level of the Premier League is very high. Everyone is aware of this quality and that is why the Premier League is the best in the world. We have often seen weak teams beat teams at the top of the league. Again, since such things are likely to happen in the future, the most enjoyable and beautiful league is EPL. In short, while competition is what makes a league quality, it is necessary to make accurate comparisons with other leagues.

Sometimes we can see a promoted team performing impressively and beating a stronger team but unfortunately this season we don't see that because the three promoted teams performed equally badly this season and all three have a big chance of returning to play in their old division, namely the Championship.
However, it is true that the English Premier League is always interesting to watch, not only because mediocre teams can beat strong teams, but also because the map of strength can change every season, even though the champion is still the same team. If we see Newcastle in several seasons, they are very weak, these two seasons they are better and strong teams have performed poorly in several seasons, such as Chelsea and Manchester United and next season maybe we will see another, stronger team.

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Quote from: SeriouslyGiveaway on November 15, 2023, 09:44:09 PM

It seems like there are differing opinions on the best position for Declan Rice within the team, with Emmanuel Petit suggesting he should play as a defensive midfielder to fill the void left by Granit Xhaka. On the other hand, you argue that Rice is playing excellently in an attacking midfield role and is contributing defensively when needed.

This difference in perspective is common in football discussions, as opinions on player positions and tactics can vary among fans, analysts, and former players. The versatility of a player like Rice can be an asset for a team, allowing the manager to deploy him in different roles based on the team's needs and tactical considerations.

Ultimately, the effectiveness of Rice in a particular position depends on the team's overall strategy, the manager's tactics, and how well the player can adapt to different roles. It's not uncommon for players to showcase versatility and excel in various positions, offering valuable flexibility to the team. What do you think about Rice's role at Arsenal?

Since the arrival of Declan Rice in Arsenal, I have witnessed Arteta play him in two positions now. He started in the Defensive midfield (No.6) and other times, as a No. 8. He’s excel in both positions when playing for Arsenal but for me, his best position is to be at the No 6 role, though he has also impressed as a No 8 for Arteta in recent weeks.
Rice brings control, drive, poise and tenacity in central midfield.
When Thomas Partey returns to full fitness, Rice will be freed to move his talents higher up the field. Rice, Partey and Odegaard.

Also, I think Rice's playing position all depends on Arteta. Going into most big games that demands more defensive actions, Arteta prefers to shift Rice to No.8 and play a certain Jorginho at his No.6, which sometimes hinders the creativity in the midfield.
Arsenal are still a fine side and have been boosted by Rice's presence in midfield, but the lack of creativity on occasions is something Arteta will want to nip in the bud sooner-rather-than-later.

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Quote from: Richbased on November 15, 2023, 05:47:02 PM

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The English Premier League normally is said to be the toughest of all. Season after season, there's always been heated competitions for the title and these teams are so good to the point that their days for wins, losses or draws cant be predicted many times smaller teams have outs how bigger teams, currently the top 4 spot race is shaky because the points margin are not even as distant as expected.

The premier league indeed is a very dramatic league as sometimes odds doesn't work the way we predict outcome of matches because often times the weaker teams begin to get stronger and tougher and even starts winning big teams, that's what makes the premiership to be dynamic and competitive. Inasmuch as football is concerned, England is the center of entertainment in football as most times due to tensed competition in the league, the winners mostly emerge towards the end of the season unlike other countries that their clubs are declared winner when the competition is still far from ending.

The quality level of the Premier League is very high. Everyone is aware of this quality and that is why the Premier League is the best in the world. We have often seen weak teams beat teams at the top of the league. Again, since such things are likely to happen in the future, the most enjoyable and beautiful league is EPL. In short, while competition is what makes a league quality, it is necessary to make accurate comparisons with other leagues.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on November 15, 2023, 09:14:59 PM

Chelsea since Abramovich era have become one of biggest clubs in Premier League. They won many Premier League in last two decades and also got two Champions League, two Europa League. The last season is a bad one for Chelsea and they got a bad crisis that lasts till this season. It is early to say their crisis already ends but with some impressive performances recent weeks, Chelsea are showing some good signals for their strong come back.

If they continue it in next 4 to 8 matches in Premier League, like 2 more months with marathon in late 2023 and early 2024, their ranking in Premier League will be improved a lot. Then we will see a giant come back in Premier League. With only 10 points less than Totteham at the fourth position, with a long time ahead, Chelsea even can have chance to enter top four. It all depends on their performances in next months of season.

During the Abramovich period, Chelsea perpetually qualified for the Champions League, and a fan could easily count Chelsea's defeats, which I'm convinced don't total 10, but I'm frightened to say that in the new Todd Boehly era. They've been confronted with a single undertaking or hardship after another. However, they will improve; I've been satisfied with their stellar performance against top-level teams this season; I'm expecting Mauricio Pochettino exerts more pressure on the players to perform with extreme high-quality performances and lifts up to the requisite levels.

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