Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 - page 5384.

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Quote from: FlamingFingers on August 07, 2022, 10:13:27 AM

Man Utd is in great need of a very good defensive midfielder that has a good defensive mind, at least one. For years, Man Utd hasn't had such, instead they kept leaving this role to Pogba who isn't a CDM and doesn't thrive as one and sub par players like Fred and McTominay. I don't see any reason why Eriksen will be playing upfront he's a midfielder for goodness sake, he's playing out of position today, also if maguire is not bench, Man Utd will have a long way to go this season, dude has not been on a fine run, always commiting, he ought to have gotten red card today he was just lucky

They need more than a defensive midfielder. Lisandro Martinez was a great addition but they need one more stopper so they can bench Maguire. They need a better right back than Dalot. Eriksen is not ready yet and I dont know if he will be ready at all after the incidents he had. Manchester United need to score goals and Eriksen don't fulfill this need. If you can't score you can't win games. Ronaldo's situation is still uncertain and he's clearly not happy there. So it's hard to expect performance from him. Realistically speaking, we shouldn't expect any success from Manchester United this season.

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Quote from: naira on August 07, 2022, 10:00:12 AM

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With this defense system and available players for it, Manchester United will have a difficult season. Ten Hag can not change much if he only have not good defenders. Ronaldo is in as a replacement and there is only one goal difference now. I don't expect two more goals for Manchester United and 3 points for them. It is more realistic to find one more goal and get one point from Brighton.

With the score that Man United gets, there will be many evaluations that will certainly be carried out by Erik Ten Hag. The players look lost and like without a clear strategy. Both the front, center, and back lines are almost undirected. It turned out that Brighton was more prepared than we thought. In a closely guarded final minute, I was amazed to see the Brighton defender doing his job so well.

It's a bad day for Man United, they started the Premier League at home, but they can't get any points and Man United seems struggling to find a rhythm in the game. In the first half, their performance didn't look good and their defense looks fragile because of this they had to concede 2 goals. In the second half, their performance slightly improved but their formation still looks messed up as if they were playing without a strategy. While Brighton is playing pretty well, they always stick tight to the Man United players and it really interferes with the attacking efforts made by the Man United players.

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i think the experiment from ten haag didn't get a good enough result as it proved they lost 2-0 in the first half. I think Ten Hag should immediately field Christian Ronaldo on the edge to make a difference in the game. It's certainly not too late for Manchester United to improve their game in the first half.

That's good enough to prove him changing ronaldo was a big mistake by him. The result from this match will make him try to re-evaluate his strategy. Putting eriksen at the center is the worst thing. Second half may become a very bad game if there was not player from MU getting changed.
The old history is happening again. That's why some big players were rejecting to join in MU. A lot of evaluation is needed.

Manchester United strategy is actually not bad, but the players really can't implement it optimally. Looks messy in terms of anticipating the ball and so on. Even breaking through the Brighton defense is still very difficult. Brighton front line counter-attacked quickly and the Man United defenders weren't always ready for that. In fact, I saw a lot of emotion going on, looking at Maguire like there was no improvement at all and not learning from last season.

Erik came with a wrong strategy. Most times I think how these coaches get it wrong every time. Why play false 9 hope that Bruno will do the run ins and score. I am fed up. A simple 4-3-3 formation would have won this match totally. Having Sancho by the top left, Ronaldo at the top center and Rashford at the top right. In the middle will be sitting Fred with Bruno and Eriksen at both sides of the midfield. Even playing Sancho from the right throughout the match without switch with Rashford in most times is dump. Sancho in 11 where Rashford played would have done one or two cut-ins and get a goal from R2.

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Quote from: Masplanc on August 07, 2022, 09:06:53 AM

The way Manchester United are playing it has no difference of last season, their is no change. Maybe this is what Ronaldo is avoiding, to come and experience the same pattern of performance. The number of goals Brighton has score I am not sure it will be for Manchester United to meet up to equalize the game.

At first I expected Erik ten Hag to play 4-2-3-1 to trouble the Brighton defence, but unfortunately they play with three strikers and three midfielders, making it easier for Brighton to read Man United's strategy. In fact, if look at the pre-season tour some time ago, they were quite aggressive with a 4-2-3-1.

The results were quite disappointing from Manchester United, after being held to a draw by Rayo Vallecano at home, they suffered another defeat after previously having to admit defeat to Atletico Madrid.

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Was a disappointing game for Ten Hag and Manchester United, it was as if am watching Manchester United game of last season, there was no improvement at all, especially the mentality of the players, now I guess ten Bag now know the job he has at hand, he needs to work on the players concentration and focus and for him to be successful in it, he needs time, and thank God the transfer window is still open he still needs to strengthen,his attack power is very low, Marcus Rashford has lost his desire and I don't see him becoming the player we hope he could become.another ten hag needs to know that Maguaire is a problem.

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Quote from: naira on August 07, 2022, 10:00:12 AM

Quote from: OcTradism on August 07, 2022, 09:33:33 AM

With this defense system and available players for it, Manchester United will have a difficult season. Ten Hag can not change much if he only have not good defenders. Ronaldo is in as a replacement and there is only one goal difference now. I don't expect two more goals for Manchester United and 3 points for them. It is more realistic to find one more goal and get one point from Brighton.

With the score that Man United gets, there will be many evaluations that will certainly be carried out by Erik Ten Hag. The players look lost and like without a clear strategy. Both the front, center, and back lines are almost undirected. It turned out that Brighton was more prepared than we thought. In a closely guarded final minute, I was amazed to see the Brighton defender doing his job so well.

It was yet another Brighton victory over Manchester United. Erik ten Hag is faced with the shocking reality that Fred and McTominay will never work together, no matter how tactically skilled he is. Premier League season begins with Manchester United losing 2-1 to Brighton. Erik ten Hag is off to a rocky start. The team just needs a good defensive midfielder. Only then will they be able to win many matches.

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Man Utd is in great need of a very good defensive midfielder that has a good defensive mind, at least one. For years, Man Utd hasn't had such, instead they kept leaving this role to Pogba who isn't a CDM and doesn't thrive as one and sub par players like Fred and McTominay. I don't see any reason why Eriksen will be playing upfront he's a midfielder for goodness sake, he's playing out of position today, also if maguire is not bench, Man Utd will have a long way to go this season, dude has not been on a fine run, always commiting, he ought to have gotten red card today he was just lucky

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Quote from: naira on August 07, 2022, 09:21:53 AM

Manchester United strategy is actually not bad, but the players really can't implement it optimally. Looks messy in terms of anticipating the ball and so on. Even breaking through the Brighton defense is still very difficult. Brighton front line counter-attacked quickly and the Man United defenders weren't always ready for that. In fact, I saw a lot of emotion going on, looking at Maguire like there was no improvement at all and not learning from last season.

They are bad as a team with a great name in the history.
Looking at their preseason matches, they are not really improving from the last season.
Defense is still a big problem for United and I do not understand why Ten Haag is still using Maguire
(even as a captain).
In overall performance, I can see that there is still no good strategy and teamwork in the team.

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Quote from: OcTradism on August 07, 2022, 09:33:33 AM

With this defense system and available players for it, Manchester United will have a difficult season. Ten Hag can not change much if he only have not good defenders. Ronaldo is in as a replacement and there is only one goal difference now. I don't expect two more goals for Manchester United and 3 points for them. It is more realistic to find one more goal and get one point from Brighton.

With the score that Man United gets, there will be many evaluations that will certainly be carried out by Erik Ten Hag. The players look lost and like without a clear strategy. Both the front, center, and back lines are almost undirected. It turned out that Brighton was more prepared than we thought. In a closely guarded final minute, I was amazed to see the Brighton defender doing his job so well.

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United could have done better but I can see them having the ball possession but not making much use of it. They need to make their attack strong again if they want to do better PL finish than last time. I am sure lot of questions will be asked from ten Haag about Ronaldo not starting but he is doing great job out there. I feel its just that he needs a bit of time to fix the squad.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on August 07, 2022, 09:34:09 AM

Manchester United are making people disappointed at the moment. They are 2-1 behind in Old Trafford and I really don't know why they are still struggling this much. There are around fifteen minutes left for the end of the match. The second half is under control of them actually but I doubt they can make a comeback and win. They should consider themselves lucky even if they score the equalizer. Ronaldo is in now but I don't know if he can make a difference. Because he is nearly getting fit.

If Manchester United can not get a draw In this game then am not just going to be disappointed with the coach but it will be a bad result to the players who are yet to master their playing tactics in all their outings in the pre-season games. They have been in control of the game since the beginning of the second half but they have failed to put the ball at the back of the net, I still don't think Ronaldo can make any meaningful difference in this game because I don't think he is in good form.

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I read your comments but I don't see any Manchester United among the rivals you mentioned. I predict Manchester United will also be the top challengers in the Premier League this season with their new manager Erik ten Hag as well as their new players. United have played 6 pre-season matches with 3 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, scoring 14 goals.

Indeed, pre-season results can not be a benchmark. However, if you look at the way he plays, Ten Hag United's concoction is quite promising. United played impressive football with Ten Hag's brilliant ideas.

Dunno if you are witnessing the Manchester United 1 - 2 Brighton match or not... 10 minutes left and I am afraid that ManU will start that season with a defeat. CR7 joined the game in the second half although Martial didn't participate from the beginning due to the injury. If this can show something is how preseason matches could be misleading.
In the other game, Leicester is leading with the same score vs Brentford.
Edit: Leicester 2-2 Brentford!

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Manchester United are making people disappointed at the moment. They are 2-1 behind in Old Trafford and I really don't know why they are still struggling this much. There are around fifteen minutes left for the end of the match. The second half is under control of them actually but I doubt they can make a comeback and win. They should consider themselves lucky even if they score the equalizer. Ronaldo is in now but I don't know if he can make a difference. Because he is nearly getting fit.

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Quote from: naira on August 07, 2022, 09:21:53 AM

Manchester United strategy is actually not bad, but the players really can't implement it optimally. Looks messy in terms of anticipating the ball and so on. Even breaking through the Brighton defense is still very difficult. Brighton front line counter-attacked quickly and the Man United defenders weren't always ready for that. In fact, I saw a lot of emotion going on, looking at Maguire like there was no improvement at all and not learning from last season.

Again their defense system is easily broken by opponent. Brighton scores two goals in this match from Manchester United defense's mistakes. They are not a strong opponent but still manage to exploit mistakes from Manchester United and score two goals.

With this defense system and available players for it, Manchester United will have a difficult season. Ten Hag can not change much if he only have not good defenders. Ronaldo is in as a replacement and there is only one goal difference now. I don't expect two more goals for Manchester United and 3 points for them. It is more realistic to find one more goal and get one point from Brighton.

Quote from: Trofo on August 07, 2022, 09:17:07 AM

United continued where they stopped last season. Business as usual Grin

This match shows that they did not improve too much after the summer. Some good friendly matches give their fans more hope but this match will bring reality back. Serious issues with their defense are still there. Maguire is still slowly and he is not covered by other mates. In general, Manchester United defense is weak and easily to be exploited.

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Quote from: JeffBrad12 on August 07, 2022, 09:07:56 AM

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i think the experiment from ten haag didn't get a good enough result as it proved they lost 2-0 in the first half. I think Ten Hag should immediately field Christian Ronaldo on the edge to make a difference in the game. It's certainly not too late for Manchester United to improve their game in the first half.

That's good enough to prove him changing ronaldo was a big mistake by him. The result from this match will make him try to re-evaluate his strategy. Putting eriksen at the center is the worst thing. Second half may become a very bad game if there was not player from MU getting changed.
The old history is happening again. That's why some big players were rejecting to join in MU. A lot of evaluation is needed.

Manchester United strategy is actually not bad, but the players really can't implement it optimally. Looks messy in terms of anticipating the ball and so on. Even breaking through the Brighton defense is still very difficult. Brighton front line counter-attacked quickly and the Man United defenders weren't always ready for that. In fact, I saw a lot of emotion going on, looking at Maguire like there was no improvement at all and not learning from last season.

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2 goals are very difficult for them to equalize or even reverse. But they are not completely over because there are still 45 minutes to the second.
But I didn't enjoy the games they played in pre-season. Really a difference I feel here. Apart from that, Brighton have a very impenetrable defense and their attacks are effective.

I could see United possibly getting the equalizer if they could get they're act together. But yeah, it looks like we're all seeing the same problems as before. Gaps in their formation when they don't have the ball, players seem all over the place, no communication between players. They suck.

What Ten Hag do now is let the 'unwanted one' on the pitch... Get Ronaldo in to make two goals. Cheesy

Edit: Trofo, any plans to restart the thread and make it self moderated?

United continued where they stopped last season. Business as usual Grin

I must admit I am not in this thread often. I am usually in all the pool threads. Has it gotten that bad? I will put an effort and read this thread trough next week and check it for myself.

There is already self moderated thread from jollygood so I am leaning more to closing this thread and let him fight with spammers, then opening another one by myself.

I am generally against self moderated threads but I am also against low quality spam posts so we will see...

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A second goal is scored by Brighton. At Old Trafford, they lead 2-0! As far as I can tell, Brighton is the stronger side and deserves to take the lead.

Erik ten Hag didn't get the start he wanted. The pre-season games were very successful for Manchester United, but suddenly the first game seems like last season. There were almost no good players on the team. Manchester United's first Premier League match features Cristiano Ronaldo on the bench. Erik ten Hag's tactics are unknown to me, but CR7 should start this game in the second half.

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Surprise results continue to come in the English Premier League. Brighton finished the first half of the match 2-0 ahead of Manchester United. Liverpool disappointed everyone yesterday. Today, Manchester United are disappointing their fans with a bad game against Brighton. Welbeck did very well for Brighton in the first half of the match. He plays very ambitious against his old team today. Manchester United are very ineffective as a team. Erik Ten Hag must not be late any longer. He should include Cristiano Ronaldo in his game plan. Because they are very ineffective on offense.

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Quote from: Xcode7 on August 07, 2022, 09:01:22 AM

i think the experiment from ten haag didn't get a good enough result as it proved they lost 2-0 in the first half. I think Ten Hag should immediately field Christian Ronaldo on the edge to make a difference in the game. It's certainly not too late for Manchester United to improve their game in the first half.

That's good enough to prove him changing ronaldo was a big mistake by him. The result from this match will make him try to re-evaluate his strategy. Putting eriksen at the center is the worst thing. Second half may become a very bad game if there was not player from MU getting changed.
The old history is happening again. That's why some big players were rejecting to join in MU. A lot of evaluation is needed.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 07, 2022, 08:35:50 AM

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Erik ten Hag made a decision by leaving Cristiano Ronaldo and playing Cristian Eriksen as a striker.
What is it? Is this an Erik ten Hag experiment that will succeed in giving Manchester United victory?
The game has been running for 20 minutes. Position is still ahead of Brighton 70% vs 30%. The tempo of the game is still quite impressive.

Simple reasoning because Ronaldo hasnt been in most of the pre season games therefore he will most likely play as a sub. Two things that are kinda unexpected was that Maguire still holds the captain band and it seems the major problem from last season which is defence is pretty much still a problem for the team as Brighton scored first. This kinda let me down abit though especially its a home game

I think the reasons you give are very reasonable. Cristiano Ronaldo had to play as a substitute as he never played during Manchester United's pre-season.
Actually the decision to make Harry Maguire as Captain must be reviewed. During the first 45 minutes of the first half, his role in Manchester United's defense was still the same as last season. Instead I saw Martinez who had to work hard on his own.
I'll be waiting for your comments regarding football. I think you understand the development of Premier League clubs very well. Wink

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