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Quote from: 3meek on May 25, 2022, 04:45:31 AM

Man U have really good players and superstars, but without quality club management they will never get good results... The situation reminds me of Barcelona when they played horribly, but after Xavi came in, they were able to finish second in the league... About the same decision is needed for Man U...

So, the problem is on the coach or club management, dude?
It is true that Barcelona can improve players' performance after Xavi becomes the manager (head coach). Sure, Man United needs to follow the same way, but unfortunately Man United never signed the right coach. They can ensure a top coach to manage Man United, they have difficulty signing a proper coach. That may be caused by the reputation of Man United which seems to decrease quite much lately.

Quote from: onecall123 on May 25, 2022, 05:00:32 AM

Even though the club is not on the right track, Cristiano still managed to set another record!

It implies that Ronaldo is still a top player who played at his best. Sadly, he is unlucky to play in Man United, so he can't get any trophy/title this season. He deserves to play at a better club. Sorry to say this!!

Quote from: ShowOff on May 25, 2022, 11:02:15 AM

Mate, nothing is impossible for Manchester United to return to the peak of its glory like in the Ferguson era.

I don't say Man United cannot return to its peak. But to return to the Ferguson era is simply impossible.
Please read deeply/carefully, you must know what I mean. Wink

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on May 25, 2022, 01:35:34 PM

Of course, Manchester United disappointed their fans by having a very poor season. But they still somehow managed to finish the season in the sixth place. They could have finished the season in the middle of the standings too. But this still doesn't change the fact that they were just horrible. Their main problem was related to their defense obviously. I wonder what actions they will be taking to solve this problem on a large scale. They can start by bringing a more credible defender instead of Maguire. And it would be better if they sign a solid defensive midfielder too.

The expectation was that since they got Ronaldo and sacked Ole, they would have a turn of the season like Barcelona did. Which we all know that it wouldn't happen, Ronaldo came in early on as well and not mid season, but Ole sacking happened and nothing really changed. They could have been 4th in the season and that would have bee expected, I understand being behind city and lfc obviously, and if Chelsea became third that would be understandable as well.

So, what people expected was 2 positions higher, or at least not unreasonable losses, that was the problem. In any case, United should be a lot better next year with some transfers and a better manager.

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Manchester United success or failure is literally in the hands of Erik Ten Hag, the club has giving him the necessary backing he would need to execute his plans. He needs to relegate some players to the bench or loan them because apparently due to their disastrous performance this past season, it will be difficult to get club bidding for any. I think it's necessary he strip the captaincy off Harry Maguire too. Your worst player shouldn't be your captain.

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Quote from: 3meek on May 25, 2022, 04:45:31 AM

Ferguson is not the last good coach for Man U... It's just that the club management hasn't been able to find a really good coach yet... Man U have really good players and superstars, but without quality club management they will never get good results... The situation reminds me of Barcelona when they played horribly, but after Xavi came in, they were able to finish second in the league... About the same decision is needed for Man U...

No coach after Sir Alex Ferguson have enjoyed the support and backing the club gave the veteran. I thought Jose Mourinho would have been great and to be fair, he did great. He's the best Manchester United got after Ferguson but the club and fans failed to back him when they needed to. They chose to back players that were clearly underperforming.

Manchester United panicked about his condition at that time, but if they had a little patience, Mourinho could be the right successor for Alex Ferguson. Mourinho can't be considered a failure at Manchester United, he has won the title with Manchester United, the Manchester United side can't see with their eyes open to Mourinho's performance, sacking Mourinho is the biggest mistake that Manchester United have ever made, because until now they seem to have a curse. Every coach who is brought to Old Trafford, always fails to improve Manchester United's performance, even though he has brought Ronaldo home, Manchester United's performance is still far from what was expected.

Hopefully the Man United management learn from their mistake of sacking Mourinho too soon, Mourinho should have been given more support
and more time in developing Man United's performance. Now Man United have officially made Erik ten Hag their new coach, I hope Erik ten Hag is
given full support by the management of Man United. Because maybe it's the same with Mourinho, Erik ten Hag also needed time to make Man United
win a lot of trophies.

Moreover, Erik ten Hag has no experience dealing with teams from the Premier League, so maybe Erik ten Hag will need time to adapt. But indeed,
I think Man United's choice to make Erik ten Hag as Man United's main coach was the right decision. Because Erik ten Hag is a good coach,
he already proved it when he was coach of Ajax. We will see Man United's performance next season, I am also curious what Man United's performance
will be like when Erik ten Hag is Man United coach. At least I predict in his first season as Man United coach, Erik ten Hag will make Man United back
into the top 4 first. Because if Man United can directly compete for the Premier League trophy, I doubt Erik ten Hag did it in his first season as
Man United coach. Like I said, maybe Erik ten Hag will need some time to adapt.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on May 25, 2022, 03:00:07 PM

I think we have all come to the point where we don't really expect much from Manchester United even at a point when United were top of the league in the just concluding season, almost everyone were confident they would drop and they really did. The disappointing season was expected but for Arsenal, it was more disappointing because Mikel Arteta was careless with transfer decisions in January.

Manchester United and Arsenal failed to live up to their expectations this season, they only managed to qualify for the Europa League next season and that's a result that may not be the main objective. As for Manchester United, they have plenty of fans who have high hopes of continuing to see their team take control of the Premier League again, but that is a very difficult hope to achieve.

There are a lot of problems at Manchester United and it's hard to figure out which one is the main problem. Apart from that the defenders are also not good where they have been very bad all season. They have conceded a very high number of goals this season, which means the defense is not functioning well. Management, coaches and players have to take responsibility for Manchester United's setbacks so far and they should try to fix it next season.

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Quote from: Tellek Garing on May 25, 2022, 02:04:56 PM

How could It have been for Liverpool fans for the club to have come top in the premiere league and also walked away with the FA cup and the champion league, this will have been a triple victory for Liverpool this season? But Manchester City changed that narrative by going away with the highest point club this season.

The match against tottenham which ended in a draw became the starting point for liverpool' failure to win the title this season and make their distance 1 point behind from manchester city, Liverpool hope to get a prestigious trophy this season lies only in the champions league championship, so let's see if they will be able to get that the trophy to cover the wound of losing the English Premier League title this season?

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Am really disappointed in Manchester united this season. Having a lot of star players and still can get a penny out of the season, winning just sixteen matches and loosing twelve I dont think this is a good record at all, Ronaldo was still struggling but could not make it, after all he's not the only one at the club. Manchester united are having enough players that can still do a good job but they are not consistent and they lack cooperation. Anyway let check their performance next season under their new coach and management.

Manchester United has not left an impression in every game this season, but only left a trail of record defeats for top teams, because if Manchester United is able to give an extraordinary performance it will have a chance for the final match, many Manchester United fans will be very disappointed for this season, all fans hope next season can prepare a better match performance for all the supporters.

I think we have all come to the point where we don't really expect much from Manchester United even at a point when United were top of the league in the just concluding season, almost everyone were confident they would drop and they really did. The disappointing season was expected but for Arsenal, it was more disappointing because Mikel Arteta was careless with transfer decisions in January.

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Quote from: 3meek on May 25, 2022, 04:45:31 AM

Ferguson is not the last good coach for Man U... It's just that the club management hasn't been able to find a really good coach yet... Man U have really good players and superstars, but without quality club management they will never get good results... The situation reminds me of Barcelona when they played horribly, but after Xavi came in, they were able to finish second in the league... About the same decision is needed for Man U...

No coach after Sir Alex Ferguson have enjoyed the support and backing the club gave the veteran. I thought Jose Mourinho would have been great and to be fair, he did great. He's the best Manchester United got after Ferguson but the club and fans failed to back him when they needed to. They chose to back players that were clearly underperforming.

Manchester United panicked about his condition at that time, but if they had a little patience, Mourinho could be the right successor for Alex Ferguson. Mourinho can't be considered a failure at Manchester United, he has won the title with Manchester United, the Manchester United side can't see with their eyes open to Mourinho's performance, sacking Mourinho is the biggest mistake that Manchester United have ever made, because until now they seem to have a curse. Every coach who is brought to Old Trafford, always fails to improve Manchester United's performance, even though he has brought Ronaldo home, Manchester United's performance is still far from what was expected.

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If Manchester United failed to do better in the next season I am afraid they're going down to the relegation zone, and that will be a made time for them but am certain the club officials will do all that is possible to bring man United back to it past performance different from what we saw this season.

Although Man United performance isn't as people's expected, they have no reason to drop to the relegation zone. Man United is still a big team, they have many skilled and quality players. They only have a problem with the mentality (motivation) and the strategy in playing, so they need a special coach to encourage the players' performance. Sure, it may be impossible to bring back the performance as in the Ferguson era. But they need to improve their current performance to be more competitive in EPL competition. If they cannot improve it, they will never win EPL title for sure.

Ferguson is not the last good coach for Man U... It's just that the club management hasn't been able to find a really good coach yet... Man U have really good players and superstars, but without quality club management they will never get good results... The situation reminds me of Barcelona when they played horribly, but after Xavi came in, they were able to finish second in the league... About the same decision is needed for Man U...

No coach after Sir Alex Ferguson have enjoyed the support and backing the club gave the veteran. I thought Jose Mourinho would have been great and to be fair, he did great. He's the best Manchester United got after Ferguson but the club and fans failed to back him when they needed to. They chose to back players that were clearly underperforming.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on May 25, 2022, 01:35:34 PM

Of course, Manchester United disappointed their fans by having a very poor season. But they still somehow managed to finish the season in the sixth place. They could have finished the season in the middle of the standings too. But this still doesn't change the fact that they were just horrible. Their main problem was related to their defense obviously. I wonder what actions they will be taking to solve this problem on a large scale. They can start by bringing a more credible defender instead of Maguire. And it would be better if they sign a solid defensive midfielder too.

Some time ago I saw Erik ten Hag start exploring the entire Manchester United base while learning some things he might try to get Manchester United back on track for next season. Erik ten Hag has a lot of time, so have to change this squad to show more of the real Red Devils.
The reason, Manchester United's performance this season is so bad. Some players who are still young are not so promising. It needs to be developed further and requires an injection of new, competent players.

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I think that it is still a good season for Liverpool. Maybe they finished the season in the Premier League at the second place but they have already got two titles in this season. They won the FA Cup and EFL Cup titles and they have a chance to win the biggest title in Europe which belongs to the Champions League. If they succeed in winning the Champions League title too, I will think like they had a better season than Manchester City. Because I believe winning those three titles is a much bigger success than winning only the Premier League title.

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How could It have been for Liverpool fans for the club to have come top in the premiere league and also walked away with the FA cup and the champion league, this will have been a triple victory for Liverpool this season? But Manchester City changed that narrative by going away with the highest point club this season.

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Although Man United performance isn't as people's expected, they have no reason to drop to the relegation zone. Man United is still a big team, they have many skilled and quality players. They only have a problem with the mentality (motivation) and the strategy in playing, so they need a special coach to encourage the players' performance. Sure, it may be impossible to bring back the performance as in the Ferguson era. But they need to improve their current performance to be more competitive in EPL competition. If they cannot improve it, they will never win EPL title for sure.

Mate, nothing is impossible for Manchester United to return to the peak of its glory like in the Ferguson era. They have to be backed by strong finances to get there, have a lot of good and quality players and also a great management and coach as well. Who says Manchester City can win 4 Premier League titles in the last 5 seasons without strong financial backing? It's very unlikely, but because they have enough money to invest in good and quality players then Manchester City can do it now.

The same thing can be achieved by Manchester United especially if handled by the right people. Having good and quality players is a factor that will support improving the quality and mentality of the team to achieve the success it deserves. Now Manchester United don't have all that, so they have to start thinking about changing it if they still want to win titles.

If you think Man United have fallen under difficult times and risk relegation if they don't perform satisfactorily next season, then I think it's safe to say Man United is now worse than Arsenal.
They have not being able to make fans happy due to poor performance but then, who should we blame? The coach, the players or the management? I feel they are just going through a rough patch.

I don't think Manchester United will be relegated from the Premier League. All the same, in the standings they occupy the 6th position, not the 20th. I can't predict how MU will perform next season, but undoubtedly, in my opinion, they could have played better. Although MU is only 1 position below Arsenal, the points gap between them is quite large. This partly proves your words that MU is now worse than Arsenal. As for Arsenal, this team could move up another 1 spot, which I also hoped for, but they didn't manage to close the gap in points, although it was insignificant.

Let's hope that both the players and the coaches of this teams will analyze the matches played and show a game of a higher level next season.

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Of course, Manchester United disappointed their fans by having a very poor season. But they still somehow managed to finish the season in the sixth place. They could have finished the season in the middle of the standings too. But this still doesn't change the fact that they were just horrible. Their main problem was related to their defense obviously. I wonder what actions they will be taking to solve this problem on a large scale. They can start by bringing a more credible defender instead of Maguire. And it would be better if they sign a solid defensive midfielder too.

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Quote from: Distraction on May 25, 2022, 01:17:25 PM

Manchester United must be even thankful for West Ham for not being able to defeat Brighton on the last week of the season. If West Ham managed to win that match, they were going to leave Manchester United behind in the standings and they were going to be the last team joining the Europa League. Because Manchester United couldn't defeat Crystal Palace the last time too. But they must have already given up this season after losing their chance to join even the Champions League. I don't have much to say about their poor season. I just hope that we can see a better team next season.

The season is completely lost, yes. And there is no big difference to get into the Europa League, the League of Conferences or be out of the euro cups. United is a team which ambitions are higher than such achievements. But judging by the news, the club is waiting for a global restructuring this summer (which I am glad about since the club has stagnated and this needs to be changed by radical methods). By the way, journalists add fuel to the fire by inventing some intra-team conflicts, which I don’t believe in, but in any case, the new coach looks tough enough to reconcile the factions if they really exist.

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Quote from: ShowOff on May 25, 2022, 11:47:47 AM

There was a lot of talk about conflicts in the team, there were rumors that Ronaldo wanted to be captain, on the one hand, this is understandable, on the other hand, you can’t make a conflict out of this, because this is disrespect for the current captain. When players in a team try to sort things out, and the coach spends time trying on players instead of coaching them, the result will be appropriate. The team needs a tougher coach, like Conte, I think he would quickly put the players in place.

Ronaldo been the captain wont still solve the problem of Manchester united, ok looking at it this way what if he becomes the captain and others refuse to cooperate with him there will still be confusion in the team. I don't think Man u problem is from the coach I put all the blame on the players because the coach wont be on the pitch with them he has already told them what he suppose to but lack of love wont allow them to play fluently everybody want's to be man of the match creating hatred among them self's. I think Ronaldo should go let see how things will look like next season.

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Quote from: Crytpo-Guy on May 25, 2022, 01:08:02 PM

Am really disappointed in Manchester united this season. Having a lot of star players and still can get a penny out of the season, winning just sixteen matches and loosing twelve I dont think this is a good record at all, Ronaldo was still struggling but could not make it, after all he's not the only one at the club. Manchester united are having enough players that can still do a good job but they are not consistent and they lack cooperation. Anyway let check their performance next season under their new coach and management.

Manchester United has not left an impression in every game this season, but only left a trail of record defeats for top teams, because if Manchester United is able to give an extraordinary performance it will have a chance for the final match, many Manchester United fans will be very disappointed for this season, all fans hope next season can prepare a better match performance for all the supporters.

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Quote from: Distraction on May 25, 2022, 01:17:25 PM

Manchester United must be even thankful for West Ham for not being able to defeat Brighton on the last week of the season. If West Ham managed to win that match, they were going to leave Manchester United behind in the standings and they were going to be the last team joining the Europa League. Because Manchester United couldn't defeat Crystal Palace the last time too. But they must have already given up this season after losing their chance to join even the Champions League. I don't have much to say about their poor season. I just hope that we can see a better team next season.

There is always hope to improve it next season especially as they will be handled by a new coach. Manchester United is not as good as expected although Ronaldo has helped with many of his goals this season. Failure to qualify for the Champions League was inevitable but they were still lucky to qualify for the Europa League.

Very poor defense this season should be of particular concern next season. Manchester United have conceded 57 goals so far this season mainly in the Premier League, so Ten Hag will have to find a good solution to patch up the space that opens up there next season.

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Manchester United must be even thankful for West Ham for not being able to defeat Brighton on the last week of the season. If West Ham managed to win that match, they were going to leave Manchester United behind in the standings and they were going to be the last team joining the Europa League. Because Manchester United couldn't defeat Crystal Palace the last time too. But they must have already given up this season after losing their chance to join even the Champions League. I don't have much to say about their poor season. I just hope that we can see a better team next season.

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Ferguson is not the last good coach for Man U... It's just that the club management hasn't been able to find a really good coach yet... Man U have really good players and superstars, but without quality club management they will never get good results... The situation reminds me of Barcelona when they played horribly, but after Xavi came in, they were able to finish second in the league... About the same decision is needed for Man U...

Basically most of the coaches after Sir Alex are good coach but perhaps the expectation from fans was too high because most people expected to see similar achievement as what Sir Alex had. In fact Sir Alex needed several years before he could build the team into what we know as the dream team. After Sir Alex, most coaches were sacked out quickly. I'm not sure what will happen to Erik Ten Hag, I heard that he will rebuild the team by changing many players. I guess Erik Ten Had will be sacked as well if the expectation is still too high.

Not only the expectation, though expectation is one of the keys. It is not really wrong to expect high, it was Fargie that retired and not the club. As of when he resigned there were still good players. Even Sir Fargie has the record of doing wonderful things with average players.
The main problem was that, Sir Alex has a nice rapport with the board, the board doesn't interfer with his decisions, but after he left, no one could fill the vacuum. So other coaches came as just trainers that could not make big decisions in what is happening in the club.
You could observe that Manchester United old boys like Garry, Rio, Wayne etc has more voice and influence in the club than whoever the coach may be.

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