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Topic: Press Release - TradeHill, Inc. Files Suit Against Dwolla, Inc. - page 5. (Read 12143 times)

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Best of luck guys. Besides damages and the money they stole from you, Dwolla should get jail time for this.

They would have to have been proven to have intent to defraud their merchants, which I doubt they had.

This seems more like a case of them just not doing what they promised they'd do, and doing what they promised they wouldn't.

Jial? Seriously?
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Best of luck guys. Besides damages and the money they stole from you, Dwolla should get jail time for this.
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Sorry to hear about the lawsuit Jered.

I understand arming yourself with as many complaints as possible but don't think there is any legal reason why they would be held responsible for a private agreement related to bitcoin.com.

As for the reversed charges, that's something you should sue them to hell and back for. Companies that tout themselves are infallible shouldn't be allowed to bankrupt their customers when they actually do fail.
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You can voice your opinions at Dwolla's Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/dwolla

I will voice it and continue NOT using Dwolla nor MtGox which is using Dwolla.
Good luck to TH against Dwolla: we support your cause.
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As a result of these losses, TradeHill was unable to pay its employees and was forced to shut down exchange operations on February 13, 2012.  We did not want to do this.  We believe in Bitcoin and greatly enjoyed being involved in the community in such an integral way.  Though we had hoped to continue different business operations on bitcoin.com, we were contractually obligated to return that domain name (along with bitcoin.co and bitcoin.co.nz) once we stopped operating as an exchange.  As such, bitcoin.com is no longer owned and operated by TradeHill.

I am extremely surprised. As far as I know, you did not disclose to us that the bitcoin.com domain have a constructional obligation tied into it until today. Now, it simply redirect to bitcoin.org.

Who is the owner of this bitcoin.com and what are they going to do with it? Is it satoshi.

We wanted to keep operating and hold on to the domain but it just wasn't possible. Ideally it wouldn't have mattered that we had that obligation but things changed when we lost the funds. We weren't able to innovate and had to cut all the features / employees we had planned. I've personally blown all my savings to stay afloat.  

I'm not 100% sure what they have planned for bitcoin.com and if I find out they'll probably ask me to keep it under wraps. I believe they really want to see Bitcoin succeed though and are going to do amazing things for it.

I can't say with 100% certainty that it's not Satoshi but I don't have anything to make me believe that it is.

-Jered

Edit: I'm happy to return coins to anyone who donated to the bitcoin.com project as I won't be working on it directly unfortunately. Just shoot us an email.
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As a result of these losses, TradeHill was unable to pay its employees and was forced to shut down exchange operations on February 13, 2012.  We did not want to do this.  We believe in Bitcoin and greatly enjoyed being involved in the community in such an integral way.  Though we had hoped to continue different business operations on bitcoin.com, we were contractually obligated to return that domain name (along with bitcoin.co and bitcoin.co.nz) once we stopped operating as an exchange.  As such, bitcoin.com is no longer owned and operated by TradeHill.

I am extremely surprised. As far as I know, you did not disclose to us that the bitcoin.com domain have a constructional obligation tied into it until today. Now, it simply redirect to bitcoin.org.

Who is the owner of this bitcoin.com and what are they going to do with it? Is it satoshi.
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Interesting!

I wonder if the startup world will notice this lawsuit.

Keep us updated!
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I hope the lawsuit end as expeditiously as possible, or otherwise, only the lawyers will win.
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Don't mind me.
WIsh you all the best luck with your case.



What if the original owner of bitcoin.com was RealSolid? ^^

That would make about as much sense as the free masons squatting on it with funding from Blackwater. Tongue

And so it begins. We just cannot catch a break from cash to bitcoin services, can we?
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WIsh you all the best luck with your case.



What if the original owner of bitcoin.com was RealSolid? ^^
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You can voice your opinions at Dwolla's Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/dwolla
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I wish you guys luck. I've got a lot of respect for the manner in which tradehill operated...hope to see you guys back in action, waving fat paychecks courtesy of the scumbags at dwolla.
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Who is this so-called "owner" ?

Satoshi maybe Shocked

I don't believe so but he wants to remain anonymous and not only do I respect that decision I'm legally obligated to comply with it.
If it turns out he is Satoshi I'm going to be upset I didn't know at the time, I would have asked slightly different questions.


Good luck Jered.  It's very clear to me that what Dwolla was providing was nothing more than a value add on top of ACH…while I've not reviewed their original terms of service, it seems they were asserting that their transactions were not reversible, yet when they had some ACHs reversed on them, they didn't follow through on that commitment.


They were very clear about it and I agree with you. I'm going to limit my comments on the lawsuit and stick to TradeHill / Bitcoin issues from here out though. It'll keep my attorney from getting mad at me.

-Jered
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Good luck Jered.  It's very clear to me that what Dwolla was providing was nothing more than a value add on top of ACH…while I've not reviewed their original terms of service, it seems they were asserting that their transactions were not reversible, yet when they had some ACHs reversed on them, they didn't follow through on that commitment.
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Who is this so-called "owner" ?

Satoshi maybe Shocked

How funny would that be if he took all these infinite steps to remain anonymous, and nobody could figure out who it was, and he forgot about the WHOIS details on bitcoin.com... Wink
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Besides these direct damages, TradeHill is also claiming damages resulting from Dwolla's actions, including the harm to TradeHill's reputation and the loss of bitcoin.com, a very valuable domain.
WTF how does this happen? Didn't have enough cash on hand to pay a $10 renewal fee to the registrar? Please enlighten me, and correct me if I am wrong.

No, that wouldn't be forgivable. We acquired the domain and as part of the deal we were contractually obligated to keep the exchange running. When we decided to shut the exchange down we returned the domain to the original owner who I believe is going to do good things with it. It will revert over in a few days most likely.

-Jered
Thanks for the clarification. Best wishes for a speedy trial and full settlement in your favor.
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Besides these direct damages, TradeHill is also claiming damages resulting from Dwolla's actions, including the harm to TradeHill's reputation and the loss of bitcoin.com, a very valuable domain.
WTF how does this happen? Didn't have enough cash on hand to pay a $10 renewal fee to the registrar? Please enlighten me, and correct me if I am wrong.

No, that wouldn't be forgivable. We acquired the domain and as part of the deal we were contractually obligated to keep the exchange running. When we decided to shut the exchange down we returned the domain to the original owner who I believe is going to do good things with it. It will revert over in a few days most likely.

-Jered

Who is this so-called "owner" ?

Satoshi maybe Shocked
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Really?  Ya, what happened to bitcoin.com?

I support TradeHill.
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Besides these direct damages, TradeHill is also claiming damages resulting from Dwolla's actions, including the harm to TradeHill's reputation and the loss of bitcoin.com, a very valuable domain.
WTF how does this happen? Didn't have enough cash on hand to pay a $10 renewal fee to the registrar? Please enlighten me, and correct me if I am wrong.

No, that wouldn't be forgivable. We acquired the domain and as part of the deal we were contractually obligated to keep the exchange running. When we decided to shut the exchange down we returned the domain to the original owner who I believe is going to do good things with it. It will revert over in a few days most likely.

-Jered
rjk
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1ngldh
Besides these direct damages, TradeHill is also claiming damages resulting from Dwolla's actions, including the harm to TradeHill's reputation and the loss of bitcoin.com, a very valuable domain.
WTF how does this happen? Didn't have enough cash on hand to pay a $10 renewal fee to the registrar? Please enlighten me, and correct me if I am wrong.
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