Topic: Preventing Signature Spammers and Increasing Quality of Discussion (Read 516 times)

are you implying that the majority of the campaign managers do not know their jobs? if this is correct and they have not been getting enough audience then they you have forced some rules and went through every post just like your ad campaign ! , but the fact that they still operate on a daily bases, it only means it's pretty much working for the majority of them.

your case is very different, you are advertising a mixing service, which only a very  few people know about, so it has to be in the high quality area where people actually know what mixing is. the ICO bullshit on the other hand needs to be in other places, noobs who come here to get a lambo next month are the targeted people for the majority of the the ICO / Gambling  " which represent the majority of the ads anyway".

if you were advertising a shit ICO who would you want to read it? theymos or the newbie who joined last night?

I know what you are trying to imply, but this really is not the case here. you are over thinking, you missing the point that in the shit posts sections there are a lot of real noobs who come here looking for the perfect ICO or gambling site and not just a bunch of spammers or bots. and the ads have been working and that's the reason why they are still there. once they stop, then your point is valid.

Again, quantity doesn't matter when we are talking about 25-50 posts buried in spam mega threads. I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say that 99% of those posts in spam mega threads will only be seen by 3-10 people until there are enough posts to go make a new page. Why don't you go check yourself and compare the timestamp of the posts? Just pick a random spam mega thread in the Bitcoin Discussion board.

I'm also 100% sure that there is more audience in those HQ posts made in productive threads than the average shitpost. That's why my current signature campaign (which is the most paying one in the forum) is quite hard to get into (the manager doesn't accept the regular spammer and there are plenty of HQ posters trying to get in but can't because of the limited slots).

BTW, the ads are already targeted because we are in a Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency forum.

you do realize that these are not targeted advertising, the quantity beats the quality. this applies to every ad campaign on planet earth. do you think people who pay millions  of $ on TV ads are stupid ? knowing  that the majority of people never watch their ads by either going to the toilet, going to the kitchen to grab more popcorn or simply looking for another channel until the movie starts again?

same shit applies to this forum ads, just be on as many places as possible, the legit posts you were talking about are very limited. if we would to assume that 90% of the posts on this forum come from shit-posters then that is the place you should target, because the a few geeks on the say the bitcoin technical support will probably not even bother reading your ads and even if they all did, it's nothing compared to the accessibility of the average and shit posters else where. 1% of the shit-posts audience ,is larger in number than the 100% of quality posts audience.

what you suggesting is very similar to you going next to the river to sell a few bottles of mineral water, in ad campaigns it is always cheaper and more profitable to target the masses and go by the saying of " quantity beats quality".

You can make your own self-moderated threads where you delete posts made by spammers. They won't bother posting if you make it clear you'll delete their posts and you actually follow through.

Theymos already added two boards that are signature-free -- Ivory Tower and Serious discussion. As you'll find out, they aren't very active. Take from that what you will.

If you're into price speculation, the Wall Observer thread hides signatures and moves really fast.


I think so too.

Wrong. Take a look at the Bitcoin Discussion board. Do you think any of those ads are being seen? All those spammers do is go from thread to thread posting some generic redundant bullshit, making 30 pages of non sense posts which will quickly be buried by other spammers in a few minutes. No one is seeing those ads.

Now, let's go to a thread where a legit user is trying to get some help. You will help him, he will read your post and see the ad. He may even visit the website because you helped him, so you must be a legit guy. But at the end, it was a legit user who saw the ad, and not a random spammer who is only here to make a few bucks.

why would campaign managers care about what you post anyway? I am pretty sure a campaign managers will be more pleased with a shit-post that gets more views than a very helpful and technical post that only a few people read.

that's the point of any ad campaign > more views.

merits are now compounding the issue it is strange that nobody can see this
but I agree with most of your post in that if anyone can be paid2post then noobs can too
I mean they could well ask why they should jump through out self imposed hoop on them
that is part of the attitude issue they have
they now view the system as completely unfair biased and centralised ... i am not sure how I could persuade them otherwise.

ICO's started all of this ....

You will never be able to get this board back into the shape it was before ... this forum was simply not equipped and perhap can not be given the tools to cope with the issues icos present.

Sir supposed to you got only 1 Merit or send for more than 120 days Did not get Why ?
What is reason  ?

Your rank only Because you joind before Merit Laws .. -> sorry for that I search and you have "some" quality discussion !!
thanks for understanding!

1. Dubious. OK Mr. Sherlock. Rather than creating a counter-argument against my signature spamming solution offer, you choose to engage in personal attacks, fine.

2. Can't you see that the untrusted red feedback came right after I exposed an alt-account ring? I mean, it's not too hard to scroll down you know. You coming here and talking about those meaningless red feedbacks, like you trying to show me bad. Dude, step up in your game a bit.

As I said, create a counter-argument. I'm here to talk about alternatives to the problem, you here to dig my 3 year old threads.

I don't care about your negative feedback. You had tried to buy account. Here is proof : http://archive.is/LxeFO , So it's dubious to me also you bought. Buy the way there is many scam accusation feedback on your untrusted feedback, what about that. They all are fake ? Why they left scam accusation comment ?

Supposed to be you should get red tag from DT you are tagging me  . I have many untrusted feedback like you left.

That's why I think the SMAS effort fell apart--not because Yahoo62278, Lutpin, and whoever else was involved didn't care about spam, but that they had to fill the slots one way or another at the behest of whoever was paying for them to do so.  On the other hand, now that there aren't as many signature campaigns around (paying in bitcoin), managers should be able to pick the cream of the crop.  There are now and always were way more applicants than there are slots, and presently that should mean that a new campaign run by someone like Yahoo62278 could be easily filled with quality posters.

I think it's the shitcoin/token-paying campaigns and their managers that are the problem, because it's pretty clear that most of them couldn't care less about post quality.  I just wrote this less than a day ago:

The solution has to come from Theymos in the form of restrictions on campaign managers and who they can allow to participate (or a similar solution).  And I've said it a million times, there isn't much any of us can do but report shitposts when we see them.

That happens almost exclusively in campaigns that don't pay in bitcoin these days as far as I know, although I have seen a couple new bitcoin-paying campaigns recently and don't know who the managers are.

Your suggestion isn't going to save the forum but drag it down the drain,absolutely close to 90% of users on the forum all put on a signature,whether it's a bitcoin paying signature or an Altcoin signature,they all are signatures,so if everyone's signatures don't show up when posting,then those projects wouldn't consider this forum a viable means of advertisement,and as such bitcoin talk is going to lose a huge amount of traffic and also funds

Think through your ideas before posting,and also note that one may not be on a signature,but be a shitposter,how then is your proposal going to address that
For now keep using the "report to the moderator button" till theymos comes up with something better then an enhanced newbie restriction

I believe that many of the companies that are willing to promote their companies here in the forum doesn't understand how this forum works. There are not clear and easy to find instructions on how to hire a campaign manager to promote your product.

THen they just hire a shitful manager, who just add the first 50 members that spam their thread (100% spammers).

I believe that if a manager makes a good selection of users based on their merit/trust and not on rank/activity it will be much easier for the manager to control post quality.

Unfortunately, most of the managers around the bounties section are spammers themselves...

There is already a solution: make your thread self moderated and remove shitposts or simply use the "report to moderator" button.
Users wearing signatures aren't always shitposters.
Besides, it will be impossible for bounty managers to track their participants activities.

Ah, here comes the bullshit. Prove my account is bought or prove that I bought any account and I promise to leave this forum indefinitely. If you can't prove it, I will leave a trusted negative feedback in your profile. Stand behind your words and prove it.

* Been member of this forum longer than 3 years. If you are going to engage in nit-picking to nail me, you better come with more concrete stuff. Bunch of fucktards here seeing my suggestion as a threat because most of you do nothing but shitposting all day. Seeing signature folks trying to engage in personal attacks against my account is already proving my point, why this is a necessary update.

God knows, how many accounts on this forum getting managed by a single entity who do this spamming in large scale.

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Coolcryptovator received a negative feedback because of his baseless accusation;



He seems certain that my current account is bought and I have also bought other btctalk accounts. He shows my 3 year old thread as reference to his accusation. Unless, he proves that I, indeed bought account(s) or my current is bought, my negative feedback will stay indefinitely.

Why? Not every person wearing a paid signature is a spammer, and, people wearing paid signatures are technically paid for posting quality content, though I know bounty campaigns have changed the meaning of that, but technically the purpose of a signature campaign is what I said. And you cannot disable signatures in a discussion where quality content can be posted by users wearing paid signatures. And besides, the spammers are not always users with signatures these days, there are spam bots all around the forum who won't realize a thing no matter what you do.
So it is really not a solution to control spam at all.


So you basically mean that when the spammers realize their efforts are useless in signatureless threads they would find threads with signature showing features and spam them like hell and that would allow quality posts to be on top? Seriously? Don't you think it would encourage them to create many more threads of their own and spam every single section doing this only to fulfill their own needs?


This would only be the reason of a new wave of thread spamming all around the forum where the creators of those threads as well as the posters would be professional spammers of this forum.

Coming from someone whose post history is full of shit ads from altcoin section about a new coin. Post history has been massively deleted in an attempt to hide your ugly side... No need to act an angel  yet you have done nothing to the forum

What have you added to the forum's quality discussion anyway?
All you carry are airdropped merits and you talking about quality discussions?
Even some of the so-called "signature spammers" are doing way much better than you.


Account buyer just brought himself trouble. The account is now useless too.

says the guy who is mainly active on  Announcements (Altcoins) and his last topic is "Bounty Campaign" .

This would only work if campaign managers were going through everybody's posts and checking what threads they've posted in and discounting the ones with no signature displayed. For most spam campaigns they won't be doing any thorough checking and as long as they've made the posts then they'll get their share. 99% of campaigns don't care what you post or where, especially the problem ones, hence this would do largely nothing about spam other than at best move spam into other threads that aren't 'de-sigged', and there are plenty of those about.

Pointless topic, if you want to make signature free topic then go to Serious discussion. As far as I know more than 85% user using signature. So who will make signature free topic since he is wearing signature.

I have another solution, theymos should allow to DT who accept spammer on signature campaign. So we will find those managers who accept spammer/one liner. Then all managers will be careful. Actually losts of manager never check post, even they didn't count post except btc signature. So many claim we have seem about managers. Just joined campaign and receiving stake even user are not active. We will find them is theymos allow us and DT to tag them. There are no more solution.

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I am sorry but I should mention it on your post history, even you have not wear signature but most of your post look like spam to me.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48796007 on this thread you are posting in a row which is against of forum rules.

Your current account has bought. Because you are account buyer: http://archive.is/LxeFO

After that post you have 9 month posting gap.

Edit ;

Why should I prove? You are already self admitted. I have archived your post above.



It's me ?

For your information I have not replied on your thread for signature campaign. My current signature campaign will not count meta post.

The root of the problem doesn't lie with the signature campaigns themselves. Certain campaigns which I was in previously (and arguably now) promotes posts with good quality with sufficient moderation by the signature manager. They screen each individual participant before and during the campaign. Some campaigns just straight up don't care; the managers don't look at the posts before sending payments and accept every participant. If anything, signature campaigns should be restricted and I frankly don't mind that much if they are removed completely. Might sound hypocritical but I'm all for improving the forum even if it means that incentives to post will be removed.

Your solution won't work if the signature manager doesn't view each thread individually / see the flags on the thread. If you want any meaningful discussions, you should go to the serious discussions subsection. While its not as active as others, thats the only place where you won't see any sig spammers.

It amazes me to see inconsiderate people like you on this forum who does not care about quality discussion and who measures the quality of one post based on "Merits".

Probably because the financial part of sig spamming clusterfuck is more important to you than quality discussion. Nor your opinion neither the ones who will post here with their signature does not hold a value for me.

Thank you, It's like you where inside my mind.
Very few people here with eligible accounts do not do signature... Very few.

The reason Bitcointalk is lively and thriving is because of the signature ads... People are willing to respond to any question someone might ask and the post count is a bonus for the weekly pay for hanging around and being active in the forum... Merit has even added more flavor to this. it's a motivation of sorts
What is the problem with that?

You don't want to have a forum where someone asks a question which takes a week without being responded to, because members are less motived to be in the forum any more... do you?
i have seen uglier forums that are so boring to even be in. You ask a question and you get a response after decades.

The major problem is it's way to easy to create hundreds of fake accounts for this forum. It's a spammer's playground. Something has to be done to make it hard for them to create many accounts

If you really want to stop spam in the forum you should not let spammers join a signature campaign in the first place. You can only do it if all bounty campaign managers screen their participants before being part of the campaign also they should constantly monitor the quality of their post every payout to assure that they are good for the most part of the campaign. Unfortunately not all bounty campaign managers care about quality and they usually accept participants who apply first in the campaign in order to fill it up. Having an option to remove signature in your thread won't really solve anything cause I doubt a lot of members will be doing that.

I do not understand the point of this anti-signature war.

if anyone is willing to pay someone for shit posting then why do we need to fight it? let them post and make some money.

if you want to read quality posts then go to quality boards, there are tons of them around, but you can't be navigating the alt board and expect to see satoshi discussing about a serious matter on BTC.

and honestly what do you expect from people who have little to knowledge on crypto and are here only to make money "which is see nothing wrong with"?


I don't see any of you complaining about the forum it self generating money from shit-ads ? it is always easier to start a war against the weak and the helpless isn't it? why not start a similar topic asking theymos to stop accepting ads on the forum?

Allow the masses to make some money dude, isn't this the vision of bitcoin ?   stop nagging

if you really care about the forum quality then counter the shit posts with quality posts, there is nothing else anyone can do about it.


** surprisingly this post comes from someone who received 0 merits for quality posts.  

Signature spammers became big part of this forum and in fact, it caused quality of discussion to decrease. Not decrease but basically they killed it.

I, hereby offer a solution;

When creating thread, another additional option should be available and that should be something like; No Signature

What this feature will do?

If someone replies to a thread, his/her signature will not show up. Basically it will be empty.

Which, as signature spammers slowly realize that their effort to spam certain threads is not working, they will put their focus on other threads they can spam and this will create space for quality discussion at certain subs/threads.

This might be a good punishment mechanism to prevent unnecessary replies made by sig spammers.