Topic: Primedice.com | Since 2013 | Longest Running Crypto Casino | 113 BTC Jackpot! - page 1662. (Read 1989476 times)

Bots rolling over 99.3 and instantly cashing out. Time to take measures?

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@zaih this site is definitely going to become big. And the whole story of one of the first players winning 200+ btc and being offered to be paid immediately will definitely keep the success going even after week 1. Hopefully the house edge is truly 1% otherwise could get ugly. However, the whole gambling and doubling your money literally within 5 seconds will keep many gamblers going beyond their set targets thus increasing profits for the house in the big picture. Althought the big hit in the beginning, I wouldn't be surprised if Stunna has gotten back already 1/8 or more of that 212 btc lost in the beginning.

@Stunna I PMed you a question I have about your site.

There's an input element on the page where you can set the client seed.  It's 'type="hidden"' by default, but you can use the 'inspect element' feature in chrome to change it to 'type="text"' and then it appears and lets you change the client seed.

The scheme they're using seems fine, but they need to make it easier to allow you to specify the client seed.

Also, it's annoying that you have to wait 24 hours before the secret is released.  It's possible to avoid that by publishing the hash of the server seed before each roll, then publishing the server seed after each roll.  Then we can validate each roll instantly rather than having to wait until tomorrow.  In effect then every roll has its own secret, and the secret is revealed as soon as the roll is over.

See this screenshot for the client seed input area, and the corresponding HTML edit:

From http://primedice.com/verification.php :


Is scrutinized the word you meant here?  I think you want it to be scrutinized, but never doubted.  Or something like that.


I don't see how I can set either of these.  I see that betting zero or refreshing the page gives me a new random server seed, but is it possible to specify my own client seed somehow?  I need to be able to change the client seed, otherwise you could be picking seeds which give more low rolls than high rolls.


Typo.


Spelling.


32, not 16.  2^16 is only 65536.  8 digits times 4 bits per digit = 32, too.

From the FAQ page:


It seems you know all the secrets, and pick both the client and server seeds.  That means you know what each roll will be before it happens.  Maybe I'm missing something though.

Finally, there's a bug that happens occasionally where the balance is updated for a loss when you've won.  I think it's just a display bug, and that the real balance is OK.

Here's an example:  I just made a new account, got a free 0.0001 BTC, bet it all on the default x2 bet, and won.  Then bet the same amount again and won again.  My balance went from 0.0001 to 0.0002 after the 1st bet, then back to 0.0001 after the 2nd bet, when it should have gone to 0.0003.  Here's a screenshot:



Edit: and here's another screenshot taken 4 minutes later after making this post.  I didn't do anything to make it update, it just fixed itself.  I didn't reload the page or anything.

I assume client seed can be changed by changing something in your browser, server seed you just change by resetting. Waiting on your verdict though.

And woah, I go to sleep, come back, and you guys have had nearly 8000 BTC wagered with nearly 80k bets. Amazing stuff. Most successful first day launch ever?

Your message was at 05:11:35 AM my time.  Guess where I was... 

I'm reading this thread (still part way through) and then will look at the provable fairness.  From the little I read it seems unusual because they seem to be saying that the player gets to pick both the server and client seeds.  But I didn't read much of it yet.

I played a few times.  Turned my 0.0001 into 0.00055669 which seemed like a decent amount.  Withdrew it, and only got 5669 satoshis.  I hadn't read about the transaction fee coming out of my winnings. 

We are looking into that, will post more details later. Currently it seems it is possible it is leaning towards higher rolls ( against the house). As long as it isn't leaning towards us though we are satisfied for the time being. When we did simulations our house edge appeared to be .99% roughly. Will be doing more later.

At this moment things are going so quick, expect many positive updates/features this week. We are going to make bets on homepage/secondary pages update more seamlessly. Also working on adding tickers/better stat and session tracking tools.

Will keep you all updated with info regarding the concerns mentioned above.

Also feel free to follow us on twitter: https://twitter.com/PrimeDice    will be updating that more quickly

Let me know the verdict, is that statistically possible on 4k bets if they are truly random?

Must. Stop. Gambling

This caught even my curiosity. These winnings seem unrealistic on a 1% house edge and the number of games played. There must be some major pattern for the number draws within the algo. It is very hard to get the algo truly random. Stunna can you share the methodology being used?

Okay thanks for your sample info. Much appreciated!

Unfortunately I bet from multiple addresses and some 5x bets were included, but on my main account I had around 4k bets with 1.021 win/loss before switching to some 5x bets. Did about 5-6k bets more on other addresses which were all above 1 except one address with 2k bets which was 9.91. I still ended up loosing around 6 btc because my original bets were quite high and the bulk bets were low.

Fred Trader, I am very interested in your sample. If you could please post your statistics from your account or PM them to me that would be wonderful. Trying to build a sample size to see if the odds of these wins are actually -EV. I have questioned that myself. Although we all love winning against the house, I would feel horrible if this is a +EV game due to a bug or something. Thus I am finding P-values for some of the players stats. Please post or PM yours if you can.

One thing I do worry is if the site has some issues, I played in total across all addresses maybe 10 000 games and the win/loss ratio on 2x bets I won more often than lost, I would have thought that's statistically impossible.

I've never heard of anyone feeling bad for the house/casino =p

Congrats and no worries!

Everyone in the poker was playing this so I had to give it a shot. Started with 6.25 BTC and finished with 8.25 (and cashed out). I feel good for winning but bad for taking more of Stunna's money /:

Thank you very much, I will definitely be back. I hope your system will run very smoothly in the future!

He had a fairly decent run but then got unlucky and lost about 8BTC :\

I saw there was another big bettor, player "37360d73b9", how'd he do Stunna? Sorry I'm quite interested after all this to see if people are losing or winning. I've kept track of the two first big winners. I'm running statistics on the numbers I'm one of those people tho that this type of game would make it hard for me to stop, I'd invest 2 BTC and either walk away with 50+ BTC or 0. Probably better for both of us, I don't play haha.

Hey,

Sorry about the issue. We were just dealing with someone who was botitng our free bonus giveaway. When fixing the problem, I believe it locked you out of your account. I see that the cashout ended up timing out and you were returned the coins. Sorry about worrying you! I hate to think you were feeling uneasy due to our mistake.


I see you also lost 0.5 BTC before the incident, I'd be more than willing to refund that too due to this hastle. Please PM me on here a Bitcoin address you'd like funded


Bets are currently slowing down which I'm more than happy about. The constant 2 BTC+ bets were quite scary to say the least.


Thanks for playing!


EDIT: sent 0.5 to the requested address, cheers!