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Stunna

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 03, 2015, 10:52:00 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:39:08 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 03, 2015, 10:32:48 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Well 0 confs. deposits do work in some sites like dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net, they could do it they way those sites are doing.

Those sites are taking a risk that gamblers double spend a deposit after a loosing bet. I have never heard of dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net has had a litany of other problems in the past.

The only site that I know of that accepts 0/unconfirmed deposits that takes successful countermeasures against double spend attacks is 999dice, however I understand they are also separately a scam site.

Hmm, I guess that would be a bad idea in that case, wonder how the guys you are advertising in your sig do it.

There's really no fool-proof way to accept 0 confirmation transactions that I know of. Services like bitpay/coinbase must run some sort of quick analysis to determine the risk of the transaction being a double-spend based off certain factors like fee, inputs, etc. I think 1 confirmation is pretty reasonable and shouldn't be a major inconvenience to anyone (8-9min wait generally), we're always looking into ways to improve user experience though and will do some more research into this.

Also, someone else registered the name 'stunna' on the bitcoin.com forums. Just letting you know that is not me. I'm still getting messages regarding people impersonating me on other sites/chats as well, stay safe.

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Quote from: paka on November 04, 2015, 07:08:30 AM

Quote from: knprest on November 04, 2015, 03:57:09 AM

i like the site but chat and rolls lag Huh

Its working fine for me, everything is working smooth as silk.

yeah but i am facing problems when trying on tor/vpn.
maybe a database update is required...

paka

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Quote from: knprest on November 04, 2015, 03:57:09 AM

i like the site but chat and rolls lag Huh

Its working fine for me, everything is working smooth as silk.

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Quote from: knprest on November 04, 2015, 03:57:09 AM

i like the site but chat and rolls lag Huh

Make sure that you have a fine internet connection. If, your internet is fine then check if you have enough RAM to support the site. Just free up some RAM(chrome and other browsers consume RAM like anything) by ending up some processes and then try to load the site again.

knprest

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i like the site but chat and rolls lag Huh

b1gcoiner15

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great faucet but rolls slow, hope that it speeds up soon.

extrobot

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Quote from: hui on November 03, 2015, 11:57:15 AM

it has been like that in earlier days (withdraws only working after the deposits reached multiple confirmations). the result was a chat full of people that panicked that cashouts wouldnt be working, claimed its a scam and so on. apart from the technical issues stated above its way easier to handle things if the deposits are delayed instead of the cashouts.

yes i remember in pd2 day this was a problem!!

hui

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it has been like that in earlier days (withdraws only working after the deposits reached multiple confirmations). the result was a chat full of people that panicked that cashouts wouldnt be working, claimed its a scam and so on. apart from the technical issues stated above its way easier to handle things if the deposits are delayed instead of the cashouts.

Quickseller

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 03, 2015, 10:52:00 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:39:08 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 03, 2015, 10:32:48 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Well 0 confs. deposits do work in some sites like dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net, they could do it they way those sites are doing.

Those sites are taking a risk that gamblers double spend a deposit after a loosing bet. I have never heard of dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net has had a litany of other problems in the past.

The only site that I know of that accepts 0/unconfirmed deposits that takes successful countermeasures against double spend attacks is 999dice, however I understand they are also separately a scam site.

Hmm, I guess that would be a bad idea in that case, wonder how the guys you are advertising in your sig do it.

They have a low max bet so it is not attractive to attempt this kind of attack. I believe they are also privately funded so they would bear any losses from this not investors.

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Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:39:08 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 03, 2015, 10:32:48 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Well 0 confs. deposits do work in some sites like dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net, they could do it they way those sites are doing.

Those sites are taking a risk that gamblers double spend a deposit after a loosing bet. I have never heard of dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net has had a litany of other problems in the past.

The only site that I know of that accepts 0/unconfirmed deposits that takes successful countermeasures against double spend attacks is 999dice, however I understand they are also separately a scam site.

Hmm, I guess that would be a bad idea in that case, wonder how the guys you are advertising in your sig do it.

Quickseller

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 03, 2015, 10:32:48 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Well 0 confs. deposits do work in some sites like dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net, they could do it they way those sites are doing.

Those sites are taking a risk that gamblers double spend a deposit after a loosing bet. I have never heard of dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net has had a litany of other problems in the past.

The only site that I know of that accepts 0/unconfirmed deposits that takes successful countermeasures against double spend attacks is 999dice, however I understand they are also separately a scam site.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Bitcoininspace on November 03, 2015, 10:17:45 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Ahh, now it makes sense. So one confirm on deposit should always be there. Wouldn't the site somehow realize it's a double spend before the first transaction of a withdraw?

Yes. They should not allow any withdrawals until all of their deposits have at least one confirmation. It is my understanding that PD already implements this.

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Wouldn't they realize that the previous deposit he made and lost with, was a double-spend hence freezing his account from withdraws until it has been checked?

This would not matter. If someone makes a bet, looses then double spends the TX they could just abandon the account and use a new proxy/VPN to disguise their next account they make the same attempt with.

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Or does that just bring too much hassle when people could just wait for their one deposit confirmation.

It is not uncommon for large withdrawals to be manually processed. I understand the threshold for a "large withdrawal" is somewhere above 50BTC, although this may not be accurate.

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Then again some people would say it would be in the dice site's self interest to allow instant deposits (so players don't have too much time to think if they should or should not continue playing) but that's a different discussion. Tongue

It would not be in the dice site's best interest to allow for an instant deposit because gamblers would be able to make a risk free bet if it does allow instant deposit.

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Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Well 0 confs. deposits do work in some sites like dicecoin.io and crypto-games.net, they could do it they way those sites are doing.

Bitcoininspace

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Quote from: Quickseller on November 03, 2015, 10:11:49 AM

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

Ahh, now it makes sense. So one confirm on deposit should always be there. Wouldn't the site somehow realize it's a double spend before the first transaction of a withdraw? Wouldn't they realize that the previous deposit he made and lost with, was a double-spend hence freezing his account from withdraws until it has been checked? Or does that just bring too much hassle when people could just wait for their one deposit confirmation.

Then again some people would say it would be in the dice site's self interest to allow instant deposits (so players don't have too much time to think if they should or should not continue playing) but that's a different discussion. Tongue

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Quote from: Bitcoininspace on November 03, 2015, 10:00:17 AM

Quote from: Chemistry1988 on November 03, 2015, 09:50:22 AM

Quote from: Holdaaja on November 03, 2015, 06:58:26 AM

Quote from: Stunna on November 03, 2015, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: Satu on November 02, 2015, 11:47:49 PM

I like primedice. but wait for more than 30 minutes with average transaction fee but still no one confirmation. No time to waste on primedice today anymore. I will play tomorrow when it reaches my pd account.

That's an issue we can't help with.

Try adding a larger TX fee next time if blocks are being mined and you aren't having your TX's confirmed.

Why not make it so you can play instantly but you can't withdraw before 1 or 3 confirmations?

If it works like that, malicious users could deposit bitcoin and go all in immediately. If the bet loses, they can try their best to double spend the unconfirmed deposit transaction, and if the bet wins, they will just wait for a few confirmations, withdraw the bitcoin, and repeat it again.

Yes but 3 confirmations make it 3 times as difficult to doublespend, doesn't it?

So having 3 confirmations on withdraw would help. Or make it depending on the withdraw amount. 1 btc is 1 confirmation, 10 btc is 2 and 100 btc is 3. Better safe then sorry. And if people are playing with such amounts, they won't mind waiting the extra blocks.

If they accept a 0/unconfirmed tx for bets then the loosing bet would get double spent and the winning bet would get confirmed. This means gamblers would not actually be risking anything (if they know what they are doing) when they bet prior to the deposit being confirmed.

They might want to require more then one confirmation for large withdrawals however they should not accept no confirmations to bet.

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Quote from: Bitcoininspace on November 03, 2015, 10:00:17 AM

Quote from: Chemistry1988 on November 03, 2015, 09:50:22 AM

Quote from: Holdaaja on November 03, 2015, 06:58:26 AM

Quote from: Stunna on November 03, 2015, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: Satu on November 02, 2015, 11:47:49 PM

I like primedice. but wait for more than 30 minutes with average transaction fee but still no one confirmation. No time to waste on primedice today anymore. I will play tomorrow when it reaches my pd account.

That's an issue we can't help with.

Try adding a larger TX fee next time if blocks are being mined and you aren't having your TX's confirmed.

Why not make it so you can play instantly but you can't withdraw before 1 or 3 confirmations?

If it works like that, malicious users could deposit bitcoin and go all in immediately. If the bet loses, they can try their best to double spend the unconfirmed deposit transaction, and if the bet wins, they will just wait for a few confirmations, withdraw the bitcoin, and repeat it again.

Yes but 3 confirmations make it 3 times as difficult to doublespend, doesn't it?

So having 3 confirmations on withdraw would help. Or make it depending on the withdraw amount. 1 btc is 1 confirmation, 10 btc is 2 and 100 btc is 3. Better safe then sorry. And if people are playing with such amounts, they won't mind waiting the extra blocks.

Nope, the difficulty to double spend should be increasing exponentially rather than linearly as the number of confirmation increases. It is fair to say double spending a tx with 3 confirmation is nearly impossible.
But what Holdaaja suggested is that the deposit is credited to your account immediately even when it is unconfirmed, and so the malicious could attempt to double spend that still unconfirmed tx.

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Quote from: Chemistry1988 on November 03, 2015, 09:50:22 AM

Quote from: Holdaaja on November 03, 2015, 06:58:26 AM

Quote from: Stunna on November 03, 2015, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: Satu on November 02, 2015, 11:47:49 PM

I like primedice. but wait for more than 30 minutes with average transaction fee but still no one confirmation. No time to waste on primedice today anymore. I will play tomorrow when it reaches my pd account.

That's an issue we can't help with.

Try adding a larger TX fee next time if blocks are being mined and you aren't having your TX's confirmed.

Why not make it so you can play instantly but you can't withdraw before 1 or 3 confirmations?

If it works like that, malicious users could deposit bitcoin and go all in immediately. If the bet loses, they can try their best to double spend the unconfirmed deposit transaction, and if the bet wins, they will just wait for a few confirmations, withdraw the bitcoin, and repeat it again.

Yes but 3 confirmations make it 3 times as difficult to doublespend, doesn't it?

So having 3 confirmations on withdraw would help. Or make it depending on the withdraw amount. 1 btc is 1 confirmation, 10 btc is 2 and 100 btc is 3. Better safe then sorry. And if people are playing with such amounts, they won't mind waiting the extra blocks.

Bitcoininspace

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Quote from: Stunna on November 03, 2015, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: Satu on November 02, 2015, 11:47:49 PM

I like primedice. but wait for more than 30 minutes with average transaction fee but still no one confirmation. No time to waste on primedice today anymore. I will play tomorrow when it reaches my pd account.

That's an issue we can't help with.

Try adding a larger TX fee next time if blocks are being mined and you aren't having your TX's confirmed.

Indeed, I sometimes send my transactions with 20k satoshis or 50k. Just to make sure I'll make the next block.

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Quote from: Holdaaja on November 03, 2015, 06:58:26 AM

Quote from: Stunna on November 03, 2015, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: Satu on November 02, 2015, 11:47:49 PM

I like primedice. but wait for more than 30 minutes with average transaction fee but still no one confirmation. No time to waste on primedice today anymore. I will play tomorrow when it reaches my pd account.

That's an issue we can't help with.

Try adding a larger TX fee next time if blocks are being mined and you aren't having your TX's confirmed.

Why not make it so you can play instantly but you can't withdraw before 1 or 3 confirmations?

If it works like that, malicious users could deposit bitcoin and go all in immediately. If the bet loses, they can try their best to double spend the unconfirmed deposit transaction, and if the bet wins, they will just wait for a few confirmations, withdraw the bitcoin, and repeat it again.

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I don't usually play dice but I really loved this site. It is very user-friendly and it is provably fair. At least they give you the chance to win!

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